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Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:02 AM

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Authorities nationwide were on the lookout Wednesday for a mother and her 13-year-old cancer-stricken son who fled after refusing the chemotherapy that doctors say could save the boy's life. Colleen Hauser and her son, Daniel, who has Hodgkin's lymphoma, apparently left their southern Minnesota home sometime after a doctor's appointment and court-ordered X-ray on Monday showed his tumor had grown. Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg, who had ruled last week that Daniel's parents were medically neglecting him, issued an arrest warrant Tuesday for Colleen Hauser and ruled her in contempt of court. Rodenberg also ordered that Daniel be placed in foster care and immediately evaluated by a cancer specialist for treatment. The family belongs to a religious group that believes in "natural" healing methods. Daniel has testified he believed chemotherapy would kill him and told the judge that if anyone tried to force him to take it, "I'd fight it. I'd punch them and I'd kick them." The boy's father, Anthony Hauser, testified he didn't know where his wife and son were but had made no attempt to find them. He testified he last saw his son Monday morning, and he saw his wife only briefly that evening when she said she was leaving "for a time." "If [the] father knows whereabouts of son and wife and won't tell, he, the dad, could face criminal charges,"
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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:29 AM

If he wanted it and his parents were denying it then yeah, they could snatch and stick him.

But if he's denying it, they can't force him to undergo chemo. It violates the Hippocratic oath.

That is unless, of course, they file something claiming he isn't all there mentally and then they can force it on him.

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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:43 AM

I think that even though the kid SHOULD have the chemo, forcing it on him is a violation of his right to choose what he wants. He's of sound mind, so if he wants to deny treatment, he should be able to.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:47 AM

He's thirteen years old. You can't rely on a thirteen year old to make a decision like that himself. His parents are neglecting him. If his parents had forced him to have chemo, no one would see anything wrong with that. He shouldn't make a choice like that strictly by himself in my opinion, and if his parents are neglecting him I don't really see anything wrong with them forcing him to have chemo.





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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:48 AM

It should be his decision but they're his parents, they should be letting him get what he needs. If his mother took him because of HER views, she should be arrested. Its her son, she should want him to get what he needs, fuck religious views. And that wasn't meant towards anybody's religion or anything. Its just, she should be more concerned for her son's health than her spiritual beliefs.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:51 AM

Just because you have chemo treatment doesn't mean you will survive the cancer.
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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:56 AM

He shouldn't be forced to undergo Chemo. It's his choice.If he doesn't want it, they shouldn't force it on him.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 04:05 AM

Seems to me that he's been brainwashed by his parents' religion which is why I think the court ruled the way they did. I hope they find the kid because whether he gets the treatment or not I don't think his parents are fit to raise him.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 04:12 AM

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No, but I read somewhere that he was given a 90% chance of survival with treatment, meaning it will most likely save his life.

If this boy was eighteen, I would say that no one should attempt to force treatment on him. However, at thirteen, I am unsure that he has the ability to completely assess and interpret the situation. Parents are in control of the health care of their children for a reason.

I think that a family counselor should intervene, and consult with each member as well as the doctor. Either the family would be persuaded to seek chemotherapy, or the therapist would be able to assess whether or not this act is neglectful or purely religious.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 05:32 AM

If he was brought up believing that natural healing methods are the best way to cure everything, then I doubt he's able to make an educated decision. I think the courts are justified in forcing him into treatment.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 01:31 PM

The kid doesn't want the chemo so he should not be forced.
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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:06 PM

He's 13, dealing with cancer is sure to cloud his judgement. Yes, I think he should be put through chemo.

Anyway, in the UK, legally your parents can make you take treatment, not sure about elsewhere.
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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 03:56 PM

ok so i have a bit of experience with this, actually more than a bit.

here in the UK you CAN be forced to have treatment up until you're sixteen. and in my opinion that's right. because i was diagnosed on my sixteenth birthday it was my decision whether or not to have treatment. half way through the treatment that i've had so far i decided that i'd had enough and that was that, i wasn't going to have any more treatment. i refused chemo for a few days and there was nothing they could do about it. unless that is they considered me mentally unstable, which they didn't. a few days later i changed my mind and realised that it was obviously the right decision to take treatment.

the way i see it is, the authorities should be allowed to make you take the treatment if you're under the legal age of consent for medical treatment. because;; a) this kid is not old enough to make his own decision and b) the parents are just being irresponsible by refusing treatment for their son.

it's very easy for people to say "oh he should make his own choice." well it's not as simple as that. being diagnosed with something like cancer fucks with your head more than i can explain. i know i can only go on my own experience and can't generalise but i've been through just about every emotion and thought process possible. even though i'm sixteen and therefore seen as old enough to make my own decisions about my treatment, i feel that i probably wasn't mentally stable enough at the time of diagnosis to make such a massive decision, so chances are a 13 year old wouldn't be either.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 08:13 PM

Well, he should have some help to understand the options and possible consequences of his decisions. But then, it's about quality of life, not just 'quantity' of life - chemotherapy can make patients alot worse on the surface like physical sickness, and that's got to be equated with enjoying your life that you may now know is ending sooner than you'd thought. This boy probably does need to be found, so he can be calmed down because it is likely to 'f*ck up his head' as some previous posts have said or implied, and then presented with his options. The adults can just make him understand it. If the parents care enough they'll want him to just enjoy the rest of his life, and support him through treatment or not as he wishes.
   
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Well, he should have some help to understand the options and possible consequences of his decisions. But then, it's about quality of life, not just 'quantity' of life - chemotherapy can make patients alot worse on the surface like physical sickness, and that's got to be equated with enjoying your life that you may now know is ending sooner than you'd thought. This boy probably does need to be found, so he can be calmed down because it is likely to 'f*ck up his head' as some previous posts have said or implied, and then presented with his options. The adults can just make him understand it. If the parents care enough they'll want him to just enjoy the rest of his life, and support him through treatment or not as he wishes.
yeah but if what someone else has said is right and he has a 90% chance of survival with the chemo, surely the sickness and other chemo side effects won't be too much of an issue? on the whole chemotherapy side effects don't last that long after the immediate treatment anyway. saying
"its about quality of life not quantity" is pretty ridiculous. its easy for someone [who i presume doesn't have cancer] to say that. you can't just say "oh let the kid die if he wants.. at least he'll have a good life while it lasts."


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 10:35 PM

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He is thirteen and therefore easily influenced by his parent's (absurd) prejudice against medicine. I'm sure he doesn't want to die. I'm sure his parents are telling him that chemo is wrong.

I don't know how I feel about forcing him to receive treatment. But HIS decision making has been unfairly influenced by two adult's incompetent argument against a potentially life-saving treatment. It's not like he's been told the pros and cons by a reliable, unbiased source here.



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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 10:44 PM

He is sick and this very well could save his life.

At 13 he is not mature enough to say whether he wants it or not. And besides, who know what kind of brainwashing he has been put through? He believes it will kill him, but the fact is there is a 90% it will save his life. Obviously he is not well informed and cannot make the decision for himself. His parents are essentially leaving him to die when there is a good chance that he could be saved. They are so blinded by their religious beliefs that they can't see that the right thing to do here is to save his life. I have no problem with people believing whatever they want, that is until they start trying to make everyone else believe it and live (or in this case, die) by it's rules.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 21st 2009, 11:12 PM

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True, it's not a definite cure to cancer, but it can improve your chances of surviving the cancer. If the cancer goes untreated, it can kill him twice as fast, whereas if he had the chemo it could help him survive for a lot longer. So I don't see anything wrong with forcing him to have chemo. His parents are neglecting him, he needs someone to give him a shove in the right direction, it's not a choice you can make on your own when you're just a kid.


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He is sick and this very well could save his life.

At 13 he is not mature enough to say whether he wants it or not. And besides, who know what kind of brainwashing he has been put through? He believes it will kill him, but the fact is there is a 90% it will save his life. Obviously he is not well informed and cannot make the decision for himself. His parents are essentially leaving him to die when there is a good chance that he could be saved. They are so blinded by their religious beliefs that they can't see that the right thing to do here is to save his life. I have no problem with people believing whatever they want, that is until they start trying to make everyone else believe it and live (or in this case, die) by it's rules.
I couldn't say it any better than that. He's only thirteen, ill informed, and he should not be expected to make the right decision in the situation that he is in, that's just not the way it goes. To hell with what the kid wants, tough luck. Welcome to life.





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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 22nd 2009, 01:09 AM

He is a child thus when his parents fail and neglect him (most likely teaching him those things), his well being is in the government hands. They can and should force him to get chemotherapy. He will die if he does not undergo it. Simple as that.


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He's of sound mind, so if he wants to deny treatment, he should be able to.
He said that he believes the chemo would kill him. That's not showing sanity. Chemo has been proven helpful in the fight against cancer. Now, I don't expect a 13 year old to automatically know that, but that's what parents are for. If they aren't making decisions that are in the best interest of their child, they should not be allowed to have children.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 22nd 2009, 10:42 PM

There was a girl of similar age in the UK whose choice to die rather than have further treatment for cancer was respected. You wouldn't force someone to donate a kidney, being forced to have chemotherapy would be the most horrible, dehumanising thing imaginable.
   
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There was a girl of similar age in the UK whose choice to die rather than have further treatment for cancer was respected. You wouldn't force someone to donate a kidney, being forced to have chemotherapy would be the most horrible, dehumanising thing imaginable.
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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 22nd 2009, 11:02 PM

I don't really understand how they can do this. If an adult is allowed to decide for themselves to refuse treatment, why can they not decide that for a child? Unless an adult is deemed mentally incapable of making decisions this really isn't fair. I really hope the kid gets chemo so he has a chance to live, but he shouldn't be forced to. Perhaps they should get a social worker and a doctor to sit down and explain things to him and then let him make the decision (when they find him that is).


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 22nd 2009, 11:15 PM

I don't understand why they can though. They could have stayed and went ahead with their religious treatment instead of chemo, so why run?




   
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I don't understand why they can though. They could have stayed and went ahead with their religious treatment instead of chemo, so why run?
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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 23rd 2009, 02:55 AM

I think it's bad their forcing something so harsh onto such a young kid. But really, he is not really fit to make his own educated decisions. This is a hard one.



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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 23rd 2009, 04:35 PM

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yeah but if what someone else has said is right and he has a 90% chance of survival with the chemo, surely the sickness and other chemo side effects won't be too much of an issue? on the whole chemotherapy side effects don't last that long after the immediate treatment anyway. saying
"its about quality of life not quantity" is pretty ridiculous. its easy for someone [who i presume doesn't have cancer] to say that. you can't just say "oh let the kid die if he wants.. at least he'll have a good life while it lasts."
I thought I might get some kind of response like this =/ Sorry. I am writing with, I guess you'd call it a prejudice, because my Mum died from cancer even though she had chemo once, which then made her visibly iller, and supported her in her decision not to have it a second time to have a better quality of life while she was with us.

But still, I'm not saying, as you put it, 'let the kid die if he wants'. I'm saying he should get to make the decision, but I do think he needs to be brought home, calmed down, and presented with the options. If there really is a 90% success rate with chemo, then I guess he should take it. This success rate, however, may not be including the number of cancers that still return after chemo. I've just had bad experiences, although not personally, but enough to make me pretty biased I guess! But don't just rule my view out as 'ridiculous'.
   
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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 25th 2009, 08:07 PM

Who has the right to say whether or not his parents are fair sources? If the kid believes the religion, then let his decision be respected.

I am for supporting his right to choose. When I was thirteen, I would have wanted my wishes to be supported and thirteen-year-olds know more than what older kids give them credit for.


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Who has the right to say whether or not his parents are fair sources? If the kid believes the religion, then let his decision be respected.

I am for supporting his right to choose. When I was thirteen, I would have wanted my wishes to be supported and thirteen-year-olds know more than what older kids give them credit for.
Do you honestly believe his parents provided valid medical facts to this boy? I believe he's perfectly capable, at 13, of making a rational decision regarding his health, IF he has been presented with all of the facts and not just his parent's side of things--which is that chemo will kill him (which is NOT a scientifically valid view.)



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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 25th 2009, 08:17 PM

The boys Decision should be final.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 26th 2009, 12:47 AM

The mother has turned herself and the boy in. All charges against her are expected to be dropped, and the boy has been turned over to medical professionals for evaluation.

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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 26th 2009, 01:46 AM

If he was 16 or so they'd let him decide. I think they need to ask him why he's against the treatment and what he knows about both sides of it really.



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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 26th 2009, 03:55 AM

Is there a religious reason why he was refusing chemo?


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 26th 2009, 03:57 AM

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Is there a religious reason why he was refusing chemo?
His parent's religious beliefs, yes.



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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 26th 2009, 04:39 AM

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Is there a religious reason why he was refusing chemo?
They believe that chemo poisons you.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 26th 2009, 04:44 AM

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He should be forced to have the chemo. People shouldn't have the right to blatantly cause themselves unnecessary harm.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 26th 2009, 05:30 PM

I still think he should be allowed to refuse chemo. He has his beliefs and the court shouldn't force him to go against his religious beliefs. I am sorry, but that just seems wrong. Yes he is following his parents beliefs, but if he believes it than let him make his choice.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 27th 2009, 11:04 AM

But there's a difference between a parent teaching their children silly things like that it's a sin to cut your hair and parent's teaching their children stupid things like chemo will kill them. His opinions/beliefs are obviously unfairly affected by his parent's beliefs and he honestly believes a potentially lifesaving treatment will kill him? That doesn't sound like he's capable of making that type of decision, to me.



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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 28th 2009, 01:25 PM

I agree with Jessie. He is 13 years old for crying out loud, I know some of you think he should be able to make his own choice but I dont. As has been said before, he clearly has been told that chemo is wrong and will kill him and has been influenced by his mum. I think he really doesn't understand enough to make the decision if thats what he thinks. It seems to me that he is just going along with his mothers wishes because he doesn't know any better. My opinion is that he should have the treatment, it will probably save his life. I don't believe he has the mental capacity to make that kind of decision. I know I don't and Im 15 so yeah he should have it.


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Re: Mom, Boy On The Run After Refusing Chemo. - May 28th 2009, 05:26 PM

I think it completely depends upon an individual basis. If he feels strongly about not having chemo and can prove he's made an educated decision, how can anyone find it right to force him to do this?

It's kind of ironic - we're totally okay going and blowing up tons of people, but when we're going to possibly save one kids life, we have to put all attention on to it, and make him suffer through chemo (This is assuming he can make an educated decision).



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