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Security. - December 22nd 2016, 08:11 AM

I have been wondering what your opinions are in relation to the importance of security. Berlin was recently hit by a terrorist attack, much like the attack in Nice, but much has been made of the attitude of the German people towards security cameras. German people have really been against the prevalence of security cameras, especially to the scale seen in other parts of the world. However, in the wake of this attack, and the fact that no security cameras captures in the attack, the German government passed a new law expanding their installation throughout Germany.

Last week, in response to the protests in the Australian House of Representatives, the government fast tracked plans to erect a 2.6 metre fence around the property, protecting its lawns, which people have been able to run around and roll down, for years. The other day, hundreds of people attended for the last big roll down the hills of Parliament.

How important are formal security measures like these? I love the fact that the baseball grounds in my area have very little protection, and literally all you would need to do is jump a small fence and play some ball. I love the fact that I can do a kick to kick around Parliament House, and 2.6 metre fences have a reputation for being butt ugly.


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Re: Security. - December 22nd 2016, 11:07 AM

I understand the need for fences and cameras for certain areas to protect buildings of importance.

I think cameras should be placed in areas where there is many people, like downtown streets, outside of hospitals, any important buildings, and cameras where they are needed. It makes sense. I'm just talking in a general sense.

As for fences blocking off areas, it depends on their reasoning. Where I am they're fences around sport fields, baseball fields, pools, etc., its not to keep people out its to show how big the sports field is in some cases. Sometimes these fences are helpful when you also share the same grass with soccer players. The baseball field is fences off so no soccer balls are kicked towards them.

It's tragic that areas are going through terrorist attack threats. Each country, region and city puts together they're own security measures and each city is different from yours to mine.

It's ironic that some people don't want cameras because they're afriad to be known or if they are doing things they shouldn't. Cameras purpose to to provide safety for others, helps to solve crimes, shows if someone is stealing in a store, shows accidents in nearby, trying to fit a mystery crime in place. Cameras are much like people's eyes. Not everyone sees and hears things.

Back to fences, which can also be used to keep a historic building from damage for an example. Fences also play a role in keeping areas safe where you aren't allowed access to. They might try the fences and see how they feel about it. They might put in a different fence later that is peramant.

Every country, region and city has they're own security measures and they might be doing something or putting things up because things are happening that the general public isn't aware of.

Not sure if that makes sense?


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Re: Security. - December 22nd 2016, 11:33 AM

"Security" should in this context mean that these people shouldn't have been let into Germany or Europe in the first place, without paperwork. When the migration spiked, lots of people got in without passports even. Reports suggested that some migrants even threw their passports away, just to pretend that they're Syrian... because it was apparently easier to get through the border without a passport and just claiming that you are Syrian instead.

I've spent enough time reading and researching this topic by now to make some assumptions / generalizations, and I'm guessing the migrant numbers could have been easily halved, just on the basis of who actually is / isn't from Syria.

Instead this "security" issue is turned into a political football, and people are blaming the attack on shit like there being "not enough traffic barriers". Like... really. Germany has one of the lowest rates of traffic accidents in the world, so I call such obvious bullshit on that.

Terrorists are sentient people. They know how to avoid a "traffic barrier" if they see one. You put up a traffic barrier, they'll just resort again to more traditional methods, instead of running people over with trucks.

If people weren't let in, in an almost completely uncontrolled fashion, and there was an actual effective database or register of who entered the country, then the authorities would have a better grasp on the situation to begin with. Criminals and opportunists would have a much harder time exploiting the system, staying off the grid, etc. Terrorist attacks would be lowered. Rape crimes would be lowered. Petty crime would be lowered. There would be less resultant outrage over all of these issues, and the far right AfD wouldn't be as popular as it is.

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Re: Security. - December 22nd 2016, 07:11 PM

It depends on what the security is for. I generally hate ideas like the patriot act and all the bullshit the NSA gets up to with phone tapping, but some security is just common sense. Government buildings, to me that's obvious. Amusement parks, stadiums, malls, duh. Schools, maybe. But public areas like parks, no.
Somewhat off point, but there's an incredibly stupid idea that occasionally gets tossed around conservative circles and makes its way into political commentary... that Obama is a hypocrite for "trying to take away gun rights" (suggesting background searches, banning assault rifles) while he is surrounded 24/7 by an armed secret service. That's incredibly stupid considering innumerable people have tried to assassinate him, while the average person isn't under that threat.


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Re: Security. - December 22nd 2016, 07:39 PM

CCTV alone would not have prevented that attack.


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