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Exclamation PETA: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? - June 19th 2009, 12:16 AM

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I completely support their philosophy - to a fine line point.
I agree that animals should not be abused, however, I'm not a vegetarian and I don't plan on becoming one.

I've done a lot of research about the group PETA, and I can't say I'm pleased with what I've found.

People who are part of PETA:
I of course do not claim ALL people of the group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals are extremists or commit illegal acts.

It's perfectly fine in my opinion to not eat meat, not wear fur, and adopt a kitten.

With that point, I'd like to continue with the information I've uncovered:
I think my biggest problem with PETA is their methods that they use which I feel makes them hypocrites.

FUR INDUSTRY
They advocate animal liberation from exploitation and abuse. There's been a fad for a while with PETA to have people stand nude and advocate 'I'd rather wear nothing at all then wear fur.




We are animals. When you get down to the nitty gritty, we are mammels, we live and breathe and in PETA's eyes animals should have the same rights that humans have. I feel that if you do not want exploitation of animals, do not exploit people. Do not use nudity, sexuality, or celebrities to get peoples attention.

Many times, PETA even gets celebrities to pose for them in their ads, who aren't even vegetarians. Currently they're trying to get T.I. to do a 'I'd rather go naked' ad for their campaign. They sent him a letter about it while he's in prison for federal charges of possessing weapons.

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In the letter, we let T.I. know that we understand how he'll "[experience] firsthand what it is like for the millions of minks, rabbits, and other animals who are confined to filthy sheds on fur farms. But unlike inmates who are freed when they finish their sentences, these animals are beaten, have their necks broken, are electrocuted, and are often skinned alive for their fur."
Hopefully, T.I. will give it some thought and decide to show us his birthday suit after losing his orange jumpsuit.
I have a dollar in my pocket that T.I. owns at least one leather jacket.
I also feel that somebody who is charged for a federal offense of possessing weapons is not the greatest role model.

Currently they're doing a boycott in Canada of maple syrup to stop the seal slaughtering. That makes me bite my cheek a bit. I find it uncomfortable for the fact that Peta is protesting something completely different then the actual problem. They'll cause other people to possibly lose jobs in the syrup industry because a third of the world is protesting syrup.

That's like punishing a family doctor for something a mechanic did to the persons car. They can't get peoples attention they say, so they take a different route. Why not take the route of.. you know, fur industries? Protest the people who BUY the seal fur and SELL it to people.

They're attacking the Olympics because of seal slaughtering. Just because the Olympics is being held in Canada, does not mean their main event is going to be seal slaughtering.

I find it extremely offensive to take the Olympic symbol and do this to it:


The Olympics is the ONE time, the whole world can get together in ONE place without any acts of violence (well, minus a time or so) and to participate in sports. There is no politics, there is no religion, and there is no discrimination.


OTHER AD CAMPAIGNS

They once had another ad back in 2003 that was extremely controversial and it was called "Holocaust on your plate"

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In the ad, the world outside is seen through the slats in the side of a truck as a man�s voice intones, "They came for us at night. Beat us. We cried out in the darkness. With no food, no water, and barely air to breathe." The ad ends with the tagline: "Each age has its own atrocities. End the animals� holocaust. Please become a vegetarian." Though this controversial ad was rejected by TV stations in other states, it was accepted by WRIC-TV and will air on Tuesday during the local news at 6 p.m.
"During the Holocaust, the Nazis used cattle cars to transport people to concentration camps," says PETA Campaign Coordinator Matt Prescott, members of whose family were murdered by the Nazis. "Animals today are powerless to stop the long, painful trip to their deaths, as were victims of the Holocaust. The Virginia Holocaust Museum can help people understand that peace begins on the plate."
Violent Acts

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Gary Yourofsky's powerful and enlightening message about the true meaning of animal rights has been heard by more than 40,000 students in 143 middle schools, high schools and universities nation- wide. Gary uses thought-provoking prose, inspiring stories, indisputable facts, quotes from Pythagoras, William Ralph Inge and other great thinkers, plus graphic footage from slaughterhouses (land and sea), to ask people to be kind to animals and, ultimately, go vegan.
Sounds like a great man. He's a convicted criminal, and I'm not talking about your local police station prison. I'm talking maximum security prison. He claims that he's been sent to prison by for radical law breakings, similar to "...Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, and Jesus."

They're advocating "direct action" by random acts of vandalism, arson, and property destruction as a means to achieve their reforms.

Terrorism anybody?

Dr. Steve Best - Philosophy professor. He's a very big supporter of animal rights, and he even has a Animal Liberation Front student awareness day. A day where they speak fondly of ALF.

Does anybody know who the ALF is?
This is an anonymous animal rights group who go to extreme measures for animal liberation.

What are those extreme measures? Fire bombing animal testing labs, breaking down doors, vandalism, stealing animals, and so on.

Peta claims that violence and non violence are not moral principles, they're tactics.

Speaking of that, lets mention Rod Coronado. He is part of ALF among other groups (but never mentioned Peta (hold your horses, I'll get to that point))

He firebombed a animal testing lab in Michigan in the name of animal rights, and publicly admitted to 6 other arson's.

So what does he have to do with Peta?
An attorney actually suggested that Ingrid Newkirk (the big guy in Peta) actually assisted Rod Coronado.

Since Peta is a tax-exempt organization their tax returns are public. And in a notation it clearly says that in 1995 $45,200 went to Rod Coronado support committee. They even gave $25,000 to a Ray Coronado (The father of Rod Coronado.)

That's $70,200 in one year towards the Coronado's. Peta may distance themselves from extremists publicly, but not financially.

Animal Testing
Peta is 100% against any type of animal testing. They claim that an animals body is not the same as a humans, and there is absolutely no reason for animal testing to be done.

Now, before I continue this - I agree, again, to a fine line point.
I agree that animal testing of cosmetics should not be done on animals. We have enough types of hairspray, makeup, shampoo, etc out there to know the general ingredients and method to making it. We have enough products out there now that are fine, and really I don't see a point to it.

That's the ONLY animal testing I am against.


This particularly bothers me -a lot- and I'll tell you why. Peta claims that they would rather have no cure at all to something versus animal lab testing. There have been thousands of cures of diseases that can now be prevented from vaccines through animal testing.

More then 10 million people in the United States are type A diabetics. Lets take a woman named Marybeth Sweetland for an example of a type A diabetic. She is required to use insulin daily that was used in animal research on dogs. So what's wrong with this?

She's the vice president of Peta.
She states her medications .."still contain animal some animal products. I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals."

This makes me want to pull my hair out of my head.
Peta is funding people to FIRE BOMB animal testing clinics and STEALING animals, PROTESTING AND THREATENING animal researchers but yet this woman who is the vice president finds herself worthy enough to USE medication through animal research to STOP it. What about all the other people who need medication for their lives in order to stop animal abuse?

Why should their lives not be worthy of good health. Think of all the people who could be saved from aids that Ingrid wants to stop who could prevent animal abuse.

I promise that no matter what state of health I'm in, if I see someone beating a dog or not feeding their animals - I will report their ass on the spot.

Animal Shelters
Peta wants total animal liberation and is against shelters who euthanize animals. While Peta protests animal shelters, what does Peta really want the shelters to do with the animals they carry?

They don't have just cute and cuddly puppies and kittens. They have animals who have been abused and trained to fight, bite, and attack. They have dangerous animals, they have sick animals, and they have dieing animals.

"...Sometimes the only kind option for some animals is to put them to sleep forever." --Ingrid Newkirk

Peta euthanized 1,325 dogs and cats in 2002 at its headquarters. They took in 2,103 animals thus the equation is 778 survived. They killed almost two thirds of what animals they 'rescued'

Now, I'm sure they had very good reasons for this. I'm sure there is no conspiracy whatsoever that Peta also euthanizes animals. I'm sure they were sick, rabid, violent, and so forth.

BUT, if an ethical group for animal liberation fights and protests for complete animal liberation, that does NOT give them the right to play god and decide what animals really need to go.

These shelters do the same exact things. Peta protests, makes scenes, pickets the founders lawns, threaten them - when in the end, Peta does the exact same thing.


Complications with Peta's goals
As wonderful as Peta makes their organization sound, they're really a company. A company needs money, and they want money. They're doing something that's about as realistic as world peace.

If Peta would get what they want, could it be feasibly possible?
If everyone in the world stopped killing animals (of all kinds, even the flies that our president manages to smack) and eat only fruits, grains, and vegetables - would it be possible?

2.8% of the United States claim to be vegan. Meaning, no dairy, no pultry foods, and no fish/seafood.

If 97.2% of the United States decided to eat nothing but veggies and fruit - could our agricultural system be able to carry that weight?

Could it handle the millions of excess animals eating our crops?

Let's spread this to the world, could the world handle this?

And Finally
After my wall of text, I hope many of you found this very informative. If you disagree with or have proof that my information provided is inaccurate, then please feel free to tell me.

I recently found a site called www.animalscam.com it's a group that is against Peta and wants them down for good. You can go right on and sign a petition that will no longer make Peta a tax-exempt organization.




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Re: PETA: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? - June 19th 2009, 12:33 AM

I agree! PETA is nuts. I became a vegetarian when I was 13 and I used to admire PETA, but I've since come to detest the organization. They are way too extreme.

The one thing I do have to correct though is this:
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I actually spoke to a Canadian, and he said that 'seal slaughtering' is actually a method of population control most of the time. It's like hunters killing deer to prevent over populating. They eat the deer so they're not wasting it.

Guess what? Seal fur is -very- good isolation. People wear the fur in Canada and other very northern areas to keep WARM and to be able to go out in the EXTREMELY harsh climates.
The seal hunt has nothing to do with overpopulation. It is done purely for profit. This year, because there was barely any market for the seal fur, only 1/3 of the quota was reached (hurray!). If it was for population control they would have went ahead and reached the quota.

Also, there is a big difference between the Inuit people killing the seals they need to sustain themselves and the big commercial seal hunt for profit. Most protestors are only against the commercial hunt.

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If 97.2% of the United States decided to eat nothing but veggies and fruit - could our agricultural system be able to carry that weight?
Of course! Animals require food which we have to grow, so instead the food that would be going to the animals would be going straight to humans.


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Re: PETA: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? - June 19th 2009, 12:47 AM

Thanks for correcting on me for something. I'll be sure to ex that out of the information so nobody else gets the wrong idea.

I'm not sure I understand your last statement with the response of my questioning whether or not our agricultural system could handle an extra 98.2% people eating nothing but fruit and veggies, along with the thousands of extra animals also eating the same fruits and veggies.

If I understood your statement correctly, you're saying that we'd be killing animals by taking their resources. Though, I'm sure plenty of people would also go without food as well.



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Re: PETA: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? - June 19th 2009, 12:55 AM

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Thanks for correcting on me for something. I'll be sure to ex that out of the information so nobody else gets the wrong idea.

I'm not sure I understand your last statement with the response of my questioning whether or not our agricultural system could handle an extra 98.2% people eating nothing but fruit and veggies, along with the thousands of extra animals also eating the same fruits and veggies.

If I understood your statement correctly, you're saying that we'd be killing animals by taking their resources. Though, I'm sure plenty of people would also go without food as well.
Oh lol I was assuming the animals wouldn't be there but I guess you're right. I mean, after all those animals died (and assuming we spayed and nuteured all the animals being born) then what I said would apply. Otherwise you're right, that would be a problem.


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Re: PETA: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? - June 19th 2009, 04:24 AM

Peta the same people who went nuts over Obama killing a fly in an interview lol..


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Re: PETA: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? - June 19th 2009, 06:19 AM

Actually, in Peta's defense:

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One of the hottest news stories today has been about PETA's statement on President Obama killing a fly during a recent interview.

There's a bit of a misunderstanding on what's been going on with this (we don't have a campaign against him for swatting a fly or anything like that), so here's what we have to say ...

Certainly, President Obama has been helpful in his opposition to factory farming, which involves the mutilation and slaughter while fully conscious of 10 billion chickens and other farmed animals every year and is something America can be ashamed of. He condemned the Canadian seal slaughter, which is the largest massacre of marine mammals in the world. His wife won't wear fur, which means she doesn't support having animals die slowly in traps and an abysmal life and death on fur factory farms just for a coat. His administration is supporting openness regarding how government money is spent, so that's going to save millions of animals from painful experiments every year. And he had a perfect voting record on behalf of animals while he was in the Senate and spoke out publically in support of animal protection on multiple occasions during his campaign for President. Swatting a fly on TV indicates that he's not the Buddha, that's all.

As an organization, we support compassion even for the most curious, smallest, and least sympathetic animals, much as Nobel Peace Prize winner Dr. Albert Schweitzer, who included insects in his realm of compassion, but human beings often don't think before they act and so people swat flies and far worse.

PETA's mission statement is that other animals are not ours to eat, to wear, to experiment on, or to use for human amusement. Basically, do the least harmful, hurtful thing you can, be aware.

We hope that anyone reading this will take steps to reduce suffering through simple, kind choices in our daily lives such as choosing vegetarian meals, cruelty-free cosmetics, and clothing made without animals. Visit peta2.com/TakeCharge if you need some motivation and tips on making it happen.



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