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Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 19th 2009, 05:37 PM

Obama during his term as president have given an organization called ACORN 8.4 billion dollars.

Under Bushes term and in Clinton term... they give about 53 million dollars to ACORN.

THAT IS A HUGE Difference. 8,300,000,000 vs 53,000,000 WOW!

And acorn is a corrupted organization that is under investigation for voter registration fraud...

The organization made false names to vote for OBAMA!
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Rep. Bachmann Refuses To Fill Out 2010 Census - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

ACORN raided in October 2008
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ACORN charged for voting fraud 2009
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What is the difference between Obama's election and Irans election???
I dont know.. But they are both fixed.


Hmmm Acorn is an organization for poor people. Obama is playing favorites again and trying create a health care reform with out showing any details..
   
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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 19th 2009, 06:49 PM

Cause he owns them money for making up names to vote for him.


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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 19th 2009, 07:00 PM

This is old news. This was a big story before the election (big to certain people). But major television news networks didn't want to run this story, because they are in love with Obama, and would never do anything that could harm him.
   
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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 19th 2009, 07:18 PM

I feel sorry for Bush and those who wrongfully accuse him from for obamas mistakes.


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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 19th 2009, 07:21 PM

I don't find this nearly as bad as starting a war somehow. Funny that.



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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 19th 2009, 08:58 PM

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I don't find this nearly as bad as starting a war somehow. Funny that.
Why do you put the blame on him completely. Congress okayed the invasion. The CIA had the "intelligence" to take down Saddam. Sure, Bush was an idiot in staying too long, and I don't necessarily agree with him, but if we leave, most likely an Ayatollah-type dictator will rise to power. You can't honestly believe that a democracy will last in Iraq.
We really have a 4 possible outcomes:
  1. We stay and U.S. soldiers continue to get killed
  2. A really ugly Yugoslavian-like civil war will ensue and the Kurds will get "cleansed" because they are the obvious minority.
  3. An Ayatollah-like dictator comes to power and exterminates the other 2 ethnicities/religions in the area
  4. A democracy sticks and the country actually flourishes.
Frankly, I don't see #4 happening. And when the oil is only really in the northern area of the country (where the Kurds live), I see #2 being the most likely outcome, with #3 being the final outcome.

History shows that you can only rule opposing ethnic groups one way, with an iron fist. That's what Saddam did. That's what Tito did. And both times, when they were out of power, the country crumbled into civil war. Iraq's will only get worse when the US leaves.

NOTE: I'm not stating my position. I'm just kind of putting facts out there that there is no real likely positive outcome.




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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 20th 2009, 01:56 PM

In addition if Bush pulls out... hold that thought... OBAMA didnt pull out yet LOL. And Obama is fighting pakistan??? lol he seems like a war mongeler too. who cares if there is terriost in pakistan. Because its not consistant with obamas policies. Obama lacks integrity.

Its always seems easier on the side lines.

Also they are afraid that If they pull out it can affect the oil prices, if there is a civil war.

When there was a war the global oil prices went up because of fear that the supply will be more limited. Well it could happen again in the economic crisis.

Also most of Bush's 2nd term the democrats knows controlled both the Senate and Congress. and the House speaker Nancy Pelosi is a big fat liar.

She always complained about tourture. But people recently figured out she knew about the CIA unethical excercieses. Because she is briefed by them on a regular basis about these issues. The media pointed that out last month and alot of politicans who are not briefed got pissed off because she is a lying democratic hypocrite that always blames all these things at the Republicans and the bush adminstration even though should could of told all the congressmen about these unethical practices. But she didnt say anything. Thats called a lie of omission.

All she was doing was she put her self above her own country. And she led the congress men and women from all parties to vote for it or atleast they did not give them the correct info and manipulated the votes.
   
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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 20th 2009, 06:07 PM

Wow, where do I start....?

The charges against ACORN are insofar unconfirmed at stand only as allegations. Since two former presidents also gave money to the organization, the amount is rendered irrelevant, and therefore attacking this now is bringing questions of character to these former presidents as well.

Having been in office for half a year, Obama hasn't exactly had the chance to take a full-scale measurable policy shift in the war in Iraq, and therefore, it's unrealistic to expect him to have an instantaneous solution for a problem that you clearly don't understand. An Ayatollah cannot become a dictator (because the position of Ayatollah goes to a man of the greatest Islamic knowledge and learning, not politics). An Ayatollah can influence politics (as seen with Ayatollah Khemenei in Iran after the recent election).

A regime change wouldn't have much influence on oil supply in the United States, because a vast majority of our oil comes from Canada, Central America, and (somewhat) Alaska. The Middle East supplies far less oil to the U.S. than people realize. East Asia, Europe, and Russia would be more directly influenced by something like that.


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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 20th 2009, 06:11 PM

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Having been in office for half a year, Obama hasn't exactly had the chance to take a full-scale measurable policy shift in the war in Iraq, and therefore, it's unrealistic to expect him to have an instantaneous solution for a problem that you clearly don't understand. An Ayatollah cannot become a dictator (because the position of Ayatollah goes to a man of the greatest Islamic knowledge and learning, not politics). An Ayatollah can influence politics (as seen with Ayatollah Khemenei in Iran after the recent election).
I'm assuming this was directed at me, because I was talking about Iraq.

What I'm saying is that there is not going to be a positive outcome from Iraq. I'm not saying it's Obama's fault. I think he should get out Iraq and let the people there figure it out. I'm not saying it's Bush's fault, because he had faulty intelligence to start the invasion. I'm just pointing out that nothing good is going to result from this area.

And I meant, a relgious zealot. I said Ayatollah-type dictator. I understand that it'd be different, but still. It's most likely going to be someone who goes almost completely by the Koran. Someone who completely gets rid of women's rights.




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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 21st 2009, 03:08 AM

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And I meant, a relgious zealot. I said Ayatollah-type dictator. I understand that it'd be different, but still. It's most likely going to be someone who goes almost completely by the Torah. Someone who completely gets rid of women's rights.
The Torah? The Torah is the Jewish Holy book. I'm just going to assume you meant the Qur'an (Koran). However, the Qur'an doesn't mention women's rights; this is a stance taken later on by hard-liners in the predominantly Sunni sect of Islam.

I will agree, however, that the end result of the Iraq war is almost certainly not going to be a strong, self-sufficient democracy.


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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 25th 2009, 01:49 AM

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Wow, where do I start....?

The charges against ACORN are insofar unconfirmed at stand only as allegations. Since two former presidents also gave money to the organization, the amount is rendered irrelevant, and therefore attacking this now is bringing questions of character to these former presidents as well.

Having been in office for half a year, Obama hasn't exactly had the chance to take a full-scale measurable policy shift in the war in Iraq, and therefore, it's unrealistic to expect him to have an instantaneous solution for a problem that you clearly don't understand. An Ayatollah cannot become a dictator (because the position of Ayatollah goes to a man of the greatest Islamic knowledge and learning, not politics). An Ayatollah can influence politics (as seen with Ayatollah Khemenei in Iran after the recent election).

A regime change wouldn't have much influence on oil supply in the United States, because a vast majority of our oil comes from Canada, Central America, and (somewhat) Alaska. The Middle East supplies far less oil to the U.S. than people realize. East Asia, Europe, and Russia would be more directly influenced by something like that.

ummm there is a huge difference betweem 8.4 billion and 53 million.

Bush and Clinton have lobbyist.

Bush and Clinton payed 54
Every single president have one.

But obama lied. he always lied about how he got his money, he just does it in a non-linear way.

The biggest problem with Obama is that he lies alot.

im sure 80 percent of obama voters vote for him after watching 10 mins of his speaches. and thats it... they just hear him say stuff that he aint bush LOL. cuz obama is smart enough to fool people who listens for 10 mins.

Alot of americans dont care about politics. maybe 30 million actually does out of 305,000 million in america...

Im just saying obama is really sketchy.
   
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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 25th 2009, 02:53 AM

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The biggest problem with Obama is that he lies alot.

im sure 80 percent of obama voters vote for him after watching 10 mins of his speaches. and thats it... they just hear him say stuff that he aint bush LOL. cuz obama is smart enough to fool people who listens for 10 mins.
It looks as if the same can be said for you. Considering you spew out more crap than Mount St. Helens, I'd say you listen to 10 minutes worth of Limbaugh and go from there.

You're really not getting anywhere with all your Obama bashing; now it's only getting to the point of annoyance. All I've heard from you are stories that don't track. Either say something productive, or don't say anything at all. Seriously.
   
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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 25th 2009, 03:23 AM

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It looks as if the same can be said for you. Considering you spew out more crap than Mount St. Helens, I'd say you listen to 10 minutes worth of Limbaugh and go from there.

You're really not getting anywhere with all your Obama bashing; now it's only getting to the point of annoyance. All I've heard from you are stories that don't track. Either say something productive, or don't say anything at all. Seriously.

I don't listen Rush. I never have.

U are not productive so stop bashing me. Your words have no merit too you hypocrite.



Do you know that Obama's policies are less popular than his approval ratting???
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_are_not.html

Why do u like to bash me when I am backing up my words with facts most of the time. are you a obama fan boy?




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Re: Why did Obama gave 8.4 billion dollars to a SCAMing organization???(CBS NEWS) - June 25th 2009, 05:39 AM

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U are not productive so stop bashing me. Your words have no merit too you hypocrite.
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Do you know that Obama's policies are less popular than his approval ratting???
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_are_not.html
Yes I'm aware of that. There is a difference, however, between unpopular policies and blaming somebody for slaughtering "more innocents than Iranian officials." There is also quite a difference between unpopular policies and implying the U.S. election was a fraud on the same level as the Iran election.
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Why do u like to bash me when I am backing up my words with facts most of the time. are you a obama fan boy?
I'm not bashing you. I'm telling you that I'm getting tired of the majority of your posts, which tend to slam Obama with propaganda and far right-wing fiction.

Your so called "facts" would never see the light of day in the court of law, so don't hand them around here as if they have any merit.

Am I an Obama fan boy? Did you seriously just ask me that?
   
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