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Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 06:12 AM

Do you think we should send troops to areas where genocide is occuring?


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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 06:37 AM

I think instead of obsessing over what's going on in other countries we should work on solving problems within our own borders.
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 06:42 AM

A genocide is much worse than anything going on in America. Americans truly don't realize how good they have it. Yes, we and the UN should do anything we can to stop genocides.


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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 06:52 AM

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A genocide is much worse than anything going on in America. Americans truly don't realize how good they have it. Yes, we and the UN should do anything we can to stop genocides.
Again I have to disagree with you

I do agree that helping out other countries is all nice and dandy, and while I recognize that other countries badly need help I also believe that America occasionally needs to focus on helping itself first, and the people living here.

The US gets itself into a lot of messes because of the way they "help" other countries.





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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 06:57 AM

So...what exactly is going on in America that's equally as bad or worse than a full blown genocide? No one says it has to be the US - it's actually the UN's job, and the job of UN countries to work together to uphold the decrees it passes. Every western country signed the genocide treaty, and they therefore are responsible for upholding it. America, Canada, Great Britain, France etc all have the responsibility of stopping genocide.


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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 07:22 AM

Yes absolutely. It is our duty as people to ensure the genocide does not happen. However, I think we should stop genocide on our own and with our allies, not with the U.N. The U.N. is a joke, and nothing ever gets done with them, they have no guts.
   
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 01:54 PM

The U.N. definitely has a responsibility to stop a genocide and offer relief. Any country which has the resources to help should do so.
   
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 06:58 PM

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Yes absolutely. It is our duty as people to ensure the genocide does not happen. However, I think we should stop genocide on our own and with our allies, not with the U.N. The U.N. is a joke, and nothing ever gets done with them, they have no guts.
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 09:36 PM

It's hard to think about. Because while on paper it sounds lovely, I don't think it would go well. And the chances we'd be stuck in something like Iraq again ...



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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 20th 2009, 09:42 PM

Yes, we should. We have a humanitarian duty to do so whenever possible. I understand there may be circumstances which prevent immediate intervention... but, for example, this whole "let's ignore the genocide in Darfur" thing is getting old.



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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 23rd 2009, 11:30 AM

I think putting a stop to genocides is definitely necessary. However 2 things I want to address, one which has come up and one which will:

The invasion of Iraq was a disaster because it was a US-led invasion of a country which was taking part in a small-scale and universal genocide under the pretext of fighting terrorism and protecting 1st-world interests. Problems in bold.

There is no genocide happening in Iran. People are probably looking at their screens in disbelief that I explicitly said that, but I'm pretty sure someone is going to bring up Iran at some point. Completely off-topic!!!

Darfur is a perfect example of how a genocide can be stop - the Sudanese government was claiming that they are completely anti-terrorist and that breakaway militia are carrying out the killings. Therefore wouldn't they be supportive of a multi-national removal of the militia from the region? They can't exactly say no :-)

And the UN do their job perfectly well - that is to break up clashes. They don't invade. Past events have shown that you can halt conflicts through non-aggressive interventions.
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 24th 2009, 04:14 AM

I don't think so. Unless the country comes out and says "Any countries willing to pitch in." Otherwise, neg.


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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 24th 2009, 10:58 AM

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Without any question in my mind - YES - 'we' [As in 'hopefully a gathering of several nations' - but if not - just one] should do whatever it takes to stop genocide. No matter where it's taking place. That is our DUTY as citizens of this planet.

Generally speaking - human beings are very self-serving. It's part of our nature. It is the part of us that we are supposed to fight against - but very often fail to do so. If OUR neighbours - those living near US [Or somewhere in OUR country] were being slaughtered - would we not insist that something be done to stop it? But why? Because we fear that WE might be next? Far too often - people will fight for what's 'right' IF they are convinced that the outcome will - in some way - benefit THEM. [Keep THEM from 'being next'] If that immediate concern is removed - we become surprisingly tolerant of the horrific realities of our world. It's OK as long as it's happening 'over there - somewhere'. And we feel even more removed form what's going on to our fellow human beings IF they don't really LOOK like us. [Or dress like us or talk like us, etc.] And deep down - do you REALLY REALLY believe that a mother who loses her child to murder in Darfur would be quite as upset as a mother living in New York or California? Besides- "Those people don't feel love the same way WE feel love." RIGHT?! [I hope you're saying ' wrong' - but only you will know that for sure]

And when it comes to what is happening in 'other countries' we have to be very careful not to buy into this notion that the leader of a country OWNS the citizens of that country. For the Americans reading this - do you think Obama OWNS YOU?! Can he do what he wants to do WITH and TO you?! And what if - as an American - you suddenly found yourself running for your life because some American militants were killing people left and right - and Obama was doing nothing about it? Would you be upset if Canada decided to step in and SAVE YOUR LIFE?!

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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 24th 2009, 11:57 AM

I think that it would be our duty to try to intervene. However, I believe that we need to take care of our country first. We are involved in two wars at the moment. And if North Korea blows hawaii to pieces we will have a third war on our hands, and we won't be able to handle that and to try to solve a cultural clash where they think genocide is the only answer.

So yes and no. if we didn't have so many problems then yes i think it would be our duty to help them sort things out.
   
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 24th 2009, 07:25 PM

I think we should try to intervene, yes. All the genocides going on in Africa, Especially Darfur and Sudan, need to be stopped. Genocide is not right, not at all. It
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 24th 2009, 07:26 PM

I think the important thing is the genocide bit. I'm having difficulty coming up with a time when an attempt was made to stop a genocide as it was happening (and not after). Also it's US that cause the genocides - we fund 3rd world countries through the mineral and oil trade, and we provide the arms.
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 25th 2009, 04:58 AM

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That's why they managed to crush Saddam in a matter of days. And that's also why they destroyed the Bosnian genocide during the Yugoslavian civil war.
It was U.S. Troops that pulled Sadaam out of that hole in the ground and sent him on his way to get fitted for a noose. It wasn't the U.N.

If you are referring to a different incident, then they didn't really "crush" him because he remained at the top. The U.S. had to take him out on their own. The U.N. would never have gotten to the point where they had troops pulling him out of a hole.

And where was your great and mighty and just U.N. during the genocide in Rwanda? And how come U.N. troops were hardly defending their own shipments of food to Somalia, why did U.S. Marines and U.S. Special Forces have to defend the shipments and do all the dirty work? The answer is simple, because the U.N. is made up of a bunch of gutless/worthless people.
   
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 25th 2009, 05:27 AM

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I agree with this... I don't really think that anything short of having a genocide or something of the likes in your own country should be important enough to keep you from intervening when other countries are in need.



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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 25th 2009, 07:33 PM

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And where was your great and mighty and just U.N. during the genocide in Rwanda? And how come U.N. troops were hardly defending their own shipments of food to Somalia, why did U.S. Marines and U.S. Special Forces have to defend the shipments and do all the dirty work? The answer is simple, because the U.N. is made up of a bunch of gutless/worthless people.
Woah wait a second! The UN was in Rwanda, and in fact the original plans were to instigate a war between the Hutus and the Belgian peacekeepers, with the extermination of the "defecting" Tutsis on the menu. A protest was planned to make the peacekeepers use force, and they were accused of shooting down the Rwandan president's plane. In the end they were faced with a choice between all-out war (which they were completely unprepared for) and complete withdrawal. They hadn't a choice. In the end a French-led UN force set up a "safe haven" for refugees as they were unable to attack the Hutus directly.

Were were the Americans then? Safe at home, with a government denying that a genocide was taking place. In fact when the UN finally put together a force the US charged them millions to ship APC's over from the states.

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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 25th 2009, 08:29 PM

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Woah wait a second! The UN was in Rwanda, and in fact the original plans were to instigate a war between the Hutus and the Belgian peacekeepers, with the extermination of the "defecting" Tutsis on the menu. A protest was planned to make the peacekeepers use force, and they were accused of shooting down the Rwandan president's plane. In the end they were faced with a choice between all-out war (which they were completely unprepared for) and complete withdrawal. They hadn't a choice. In the end a French-led UN force set up a "safe haven" for refugees as they were unable to attack the Hutus directly.

Were were the Americans then? Safe at home, with a government denying that a genocide was taking place. In fact when the UN finally put together a force the US charged them millions to ship APC's over from the states.

Forget your self-righteousness and crawl out of that hole you've been living in for the past decade.
I know that the U.N. was in Rwanda. I'm just saying they didn't do what was necessary to help the people over there, because they are worthless. "In the end the French led U.N. force set up a safe haven" well whoop-dee-doo, after hundreds of thousands are killed they set up a safe haven, job well done French led U.N. If the U.N. any any guts they would of sent a missile up the ass of the Akazu leader the second the killings began. And no kidding the U.S. wasn't involved, Clinton was president in '94 and he would be the kind of leader to just let the U.N. handle everything.
   
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 25th 2009, 11:51 PM

Yes we deffinitely should. Just sitting around and watching it happen would lead to another Holocaust.


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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 26th 2009, 05:26 AM

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I know that the U.N. was in Rwanda. I'm just saying they didn't do what was necessary to help the people over there, because they are worthless. "In the end the French led U.N. force set up a safe haven" well whoop-dee-doo, after hundreds of thousands are killed they set up a safe haven, job well done French led U.N. If the U.N. any any guts they would of sent a missile up the ass of the Akazu leader the second the killings began. And no kidding the U.S. wasn't involved, Clinton was president in '94 and he would be the kind of leader to just let the U.N. handle everything.
But....??? You blame the UN for not intervening in Rwanda (when that was exactly what the Hutus wanted them to do), and you blame Clinton for not intervening there, but you still believe that the US is doing things right in Iraq? When it doesn't invade when it should, but does invade a country which is posing absolutely no threat to any other?
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 27th 2009, 03:45 PM

I agree with Jessica and Araeana and Craig and Jes and Basil and Kim and Gina and Vicki.
There's a moral responsibility to help when others need help and one (or a nation, or several nations) have the resources to help. It's not a terribly complex situation, in terms of whether genocide is justified or not. It's not. It's wrong. In areas of moral clarity like this, I've no idea why anyone would try to make a case for letting genocide happen.
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But....??? You blame the UN for not intervening in Rwanda (when that was exactly what the Hutus wanted them to do), and you blame Clinton for not intervening there, but you still believe that the US is doing things right in Iraq? When it doesn't invade when it should, but does invade a country which is posing absolutely no threat to any other?
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Re: Should we intervene when genocide is happening? - June 28th 2009, 01:41 PM

Iraq comes into it because you're saying that the UN should have invaded Rwanda like the US invaded Iraq
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