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Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 01:41 AM

Why does the media carry a double standard towards obama.

Sure Bush kills innoccent people during his term.

Iranian government killed people in riots. but they get alot of bad press.

But obama...

He ordered to kill 80-6 people at most 0-7 were terrorist. in 1 day Pakistan. while the iranians killed ughhh about 20 people in 7 days...

And Obama doesnt really have the right to go over to other peoples lands with out permission.

THat means obama is a mass murder too like the president of iran? bush? and other contraverial figures?

And I barely hear anything about this on CNN, maybe a line on the bottom of the screen but thats all..


Atleast bush had the legal authority to kill people Iraq, and not kill random people in countries where u do not have the right.

US drones circle over Waziristan day after missile strikes kill 80
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Re: Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 02:10 AM

That's not even remotely the same thing. We weren't firing on our own people who were protesting, we were firing on suspected terrorists.

Plus, with all the Taliban activity in Pakistan, it's highly likely that they asked us for some unmanned support in dealing with the terrorists.

The reports on the attack are still sketchy. Of course Al Jazeera is going to say they were all civilians. Other news cites are saying that they were all militants.

Yellow journalism is not going to work here.


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Re: Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 02:34 AM

Wow Tomb.... you just might be the most ill-informed person on the entire site.

The attacks in Pakistan are no different than those carried out by drones during the Bush presidency, therefore there is no difference. The attack was not meant to kill civilians, and even if it did, Al-Jazeerah would like to make seem like the U.S. wants to put civilians in harm's way.

Define legal authority. The ability to whip out as many guns as you can and fire at whoever you deem to be a militant does not create legitimacy or legality in terms of practices in war. The Bush administration is guilty of multiple war crimes, most of them being for prisoner abuse and torture (and false imprisonment), but also for carrying out an internationally condemned war in the name of non-existent weapons of mass destruction (in reality, it was a complex mix of reasons boiled up by the Bush cronies).

Also, you need to learn how to spell. It literally gave me a headache trying to read some of what you said.


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Re: Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 02:43 AM

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non-existent weapons of mass destruction (in reality, it was a complex mix of reasons boiled up by the Bush cronies).
I hate to nitpick, but we did actually find a couple dozen canisters used for holding mustard and nerve gas. They count as WMDs via NBC classification.


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Re: Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 03:35 AM

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Wow Tomb.... you just might be the most ill-informed person on the entire site.

The attacks in Pakistan are no different than those carried out by drones during the Bush presidency, therefore there is no difference. The attack was not meant to kill civilians, and even if it did, Al-Jazeerah would like to make seem like the U.S. wants to put civilians in harm's way.

Define legal authority. The ability to whip out as many guns as you can and fire at whoever you deem to be a militant does not create legitimacy or legality in terms of practices in war. The Bush administration is guilty of multiple war crimes, most of them being for prisoner abuse and torture (and false imprisonment), but also for carrying out an internationally condemned war in the name of non-existent weapons of mass destruction (in reality, it was a complex mix of reasons boiled up by the Bush cronies).

Also, you need to learn how to spell. It literally gave me a headache trying to read some of what you said.

Bush admin is not guilty. I don't see any arrest?? in who's court. Do you know how the law works? please show me the legal documents to sites that show me court filings. Bush admin. didn't do anything illegal he passed the laws...

"Pakistan said its battle to defeat terrorism is being harmed by U.S. drone attacks after a strike yesterday near the border with Afghanistan reportedly killed at least 50 people."

"Pakistan says the deaths of civilians in drone attacks harm efforts to combat militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas"

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Pakistan Says U.S. Drone Attacks Harm Anti-Terrorism Battle - Bloomberg.com


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"The attacks in Pakistan are no different than those carried out by drones during the Bush presidency, therefore there is no difference."

You made my point in my original post, i think people should consider Barrack Hussein Obama and George Walker Bush mass murders.

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That's not even remotely the same thing. We weren't firing on our own people who were protesting, we were firing on suspected terrorists.

Plus, with all the Taliban activity in Pakistan, it's highly likely that they asked us for some unmanned support in dealing with the terrorists.

The reports on the attack are still sketchy. Of course Al Jazeera is going to say they were all civilians. Other news cites are saying that they were all militants.

Yellow journalism is not going to work here.

Tiger you made good points.

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Re: Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 04:02 AM

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Bush admin is not guilty. I don't see any arrest?? in who's court. Do you know how the law works? please show me the legal documents to sites that show me court filings. Bush admin. didn't do anything illegal he passed the laws...

"Pakistan said its battle to defeat terrorism is being harmed by U.S. drone attacks after a strike yesterday near the border with Afghanistan reportedly killed at least 50 people."

"Pakistan says the deaths of civilians in drone attacks harm efforts to combat militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas"

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The only conclusion I drew from those posts were that Pakistan is pretty pissed about what happened. PAKISTAN says. Those aren't quotes telling us why the US made the decision to do what they did, are they? Of course people in Pakistan aren't happy about being attacked, but that doesn't change the fact that doing what Obama did may have been what is best to protect our country.





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Re: Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 07:04 AM

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Bush admin is not guilty. I don't see any arrest?? in who's court. Do you know how the law works? please show me the legal documents to sites that show me court filings. Bush admin. didn't do anything illegal he passed the laws...
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever seen in all my years on TeenHelp.

The lack of an arrest doesn't automatically exonerate someone's guilt. Bush's tactics in "enhanced interrogations" (AKA torture) are internationally outlawed by the Geneva Convention, as is the invasion of Iraq for non-prevocational special interest. No trial is necessary to determine this.

Furthermore, Bush never passed any laws concerning the Iraq war. He may have asked for increased military spending, but he cannot formulate and simultaneously approve such laws and measures.

I'm fairly insulted that you seem to think I don't have even a basic understanding of United States international legality guidelines. The United States is theoretically supposed to adhere to the Geneva Convention, and, as a member of the United Nations, is not supposed to violate direct votes and condemnation of militancy by a vast majority of its members. To date, there is absolutely no proof that the war in Iraq has made the United States any safer, and it probably has actually made it less secure, because it serves as an additional point of reasoning for the Islamic world to believe that the U.S. is in a war against Islam.

The war in Afghanistan, although justified, has been very poorly handled to this point. This isn't just the fault of Bush, or his commanders, but also moving on to Barrack Obama's lack of policy change. The United States simply cannot conduct a successful campaign against Al-Quada and the Taliban while negotiating against an Opium war. Because most of the Al-Quada funds in Afghanistan come from Opium, a stop-gate on Opium would theoretically rectify the problem the U.S. has with Al-Quada funding.

And finally, the primary difference that you obviously failed to realize (or at least indicate) is that Iranian officials have allowed their Revolutionary Guard troops to attack their own civilians intentionally, while the U.S. has no intentions of killing civilians. The root of these problems is also vastly different. I have no idea why you think you can link these two for comparison in any way.


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Re: Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 07:16 PM

All I will say is... Why do people have to go to such legnths to prove how "anti-conformist" they are, at the expence of common sense??
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Re: Obama Regeme slaughters more innoccents than Iranian officials. WHAT CHANGE??? - June 25th 2009, 07:21 PM

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