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All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 17th 2009, 09:51 PM

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"An all-male college in Atlanta, Georgia, has banned the wearing of women's clothes, makeup, high heels and purses as part of a new crackdown on what the institution calls inappropriate attire."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/17/col...ode/index.html

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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 17th 2009, 10:00 PM

I think it is unfair for the college to tell the students what they can wear in free time, outside of classes/school functions.



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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 17th 2009, 11:26 PM

I guess on campus but once they leave its there choice.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 17th 2009, 11:32 PM

Hey, that's where I live! And I never heard of an all-male college. That would suck.

Well, I'm all for the dress code -- usually it's reasonable to ban certain things. It's kind of messed up, but I'm against cross-dressers, so I wouldn't want any of my students dressing up as the opposite sex on their free time. But that's just me.
   
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 12:18 AM

I suppose if you're transgender you shouldn't go to an all-male school since you don't consider yourself male.

Although, I am kind of against having schools secluded by gender. We wouldn't have an "all-white" or "all-black" school, then say you're only allowed to dress in what is traditionally your race's attire.

I really don't understand the need to peg men and women as being different, the same way blacks(and Hispanic, and Asian, and native...) and whites aren't different.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 12:19 AM

they can have whatever dress code they want.. if people are that against it then they can choose not to go to that college.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 02:16 AM

I can see why they did it... at my school senior girls are expected to wear office attire to class no matter what they wear in their free time.
I guess its the same principle here, for class they should dress in a manner the school deems appropriate but in their free time they can wear whatever they want.
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 03:06 AM

Well legally the school does have the right to implement a dress code on school property. I don't agree with it, but it is their right.


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They probably aren't transgendered. Some people just like to cross-dress.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 06:15 AM

I'm generally against dress codes at all. Unless there's something particularly offensive about any given piece of clothing, I don't see why people get so hung up about it.

That said, I concede that the college can impose a dress code if they want to in the class room, but trying to apply it outside as well I think is just ridiculous.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 06:19 AM

I certainly support having a dress code, even if it's not to a point where one has to wear specific uniforms, it at least gets rid of some issues students may have over clothing and it can reduce students wearing so little clothing that they're more than 3/4 naked. I view a college as a place to receive education and not a place to show off your various clothing styles. If you want to show off your clothing styles, then do that outside of campus.

I think it also has a marketing aspect to it in that you have College A where people can run around half-naked, covered in rags or whatever else versus College B where people still have some freedom in their clothing style but they have enough limitations to restrict the overly-flamboyant styles that are more of a distraction and suited for a fashion show than anything else.

Outside of campus, the students can wear as they choose and the college should have no say in that.
   
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 06:42 AM

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I really don't understand the need to peg men and women as being different, the same way blacks(and Hispanic, and Asian, and native...) and whites aren't different.
I actually almost went to an all girl school. Of the four colleges I applied to, I think two were all girl. An all-girl or all-boy school has a much different environment than a regular school.Especially since most are small, they are pretty close and sometimes the focus on different majors, like women's studies.

Anyway, on topic. I don't like dress codes. In class, fine. Make them dress appropriately. But it their free time, they should b allowed to wear what they please. I always go barefoot on campus. If my school had a dress code, then me and several other students would always be in all sorts of trouble.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 12:01 PM

Well, I'd be screwed there... I don't actually own any 'male' clothing xD
But like it's been said already, if you're transgendered, you just wouldn't go there, I guess... so there shouldn't really be many people there who are really uncomfortable in that sort of attire...
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 05:16 PM

It's a private college, on their campus you do what they say.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 06:15 PM

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If you follow that line of thinking, what stops them from saying that every student has to shave their head, too? I agree it's legally within their rights to enforce a dress code like that, but what's legal and what's right are often not the same thing.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 06:23 PM

I think they are within their rights to set a dress code, but I think it's wrong they are hindering the students freedom.
   
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 06:34 PM

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If you follow that line of thinking, what stops them from saying that every student has to shave their head, too? I agree it's legally within their rights to enforce a dress code like that, but what's legal and what's right are often not the same thing.
Yeah, but then a majority of students demand a refund and the college crashes. It's all about the status quo.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 06:43 PM

I just think it's a pity that those who feel offended by this would be too embarrassed or shy to speak out...
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 18th 2009, 10:22 PM

For the record, to the transgender comments, as one poster already pointed out, some people do just like to cross dress. Some straight and gay people do cross dress. If only 5 students are doing this, then I can't see how its even a big enough deal to put a ban on it? And lol @ asking the gay people. Cross dressing isn't really a 'gay thing'... and most gay people are as ignorant and prejudice against it, outside of entertainment, as everyone else.

Ok, it's an all male college, so maybe fair enough to can't go to class like that. Admitted sex segrated schools annoy me in and of themselves. But I can see an argument there. On the other hand, it is not right to have such rules on people on people in their spare time. You are paying to go to the college, they shouldn't restrict your freedom of expression so much.

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College, i assume is like university? Our college in England is different. Anyway, yeah, they are there with the purpose of education, and to learn, but a) they are paying, and b) going to these places is more then that. One of the things people seem to do is try find themselves, they start to develop their independence, and they have fun. I think it's difficult to argue these aren't important experiences in the individual's life. Yeah, offensive clothes should be banned, to 'keep the peace' amongst students, and make it feel like a safe space, but it shouldn't be too strict.

I get they might want to make an image for themselves. But they should focus more on the teaching, learning, and quality of results, more then the clothes students wear. When i came to my open day at Warwick (a top 10 uni in the UK), what people were wearing had no effect on how I felt about the place, and it still doesn't. Most people at a good uni, at about my age, don't dress over half naked (ok, maybe some in the club nights, but not to class), particularly once you settle in as a student, and you realise no one really cares.
   
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 19th 2009, 01:44 AM

Private colleges can make rules like that. They could dictate that every student needs to sing the national anthem before they go to sleep at night every night and it would still be allowed. I think it's incredibly stupid, but it's still a choice for students to attend or go somewhere else.


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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 19th 2009, 02:48 AM

I think its ok... A few years ago a teacher caught one of the pupils from my old school smoking out of school hours a few miles from school, AND he was of age! She got out the car and put out the cigarette! He didn't contest it either, guess he didn't want his parents involved, but yeah my old schools policy was you don't just act like a pupil in school hours, but out of hours too!



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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 19th 2009, 03:06 AM

An instituion like a school, uni or place of work, should not be able to dictate what you do in your free time if its legal behaviour.

Admittedly, in my secondary school, they had rules of behaviour out of school, but it was only whilst you were still in uniform. And it was generally about disruptive behaviour.
   
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 19th 2009, 10:36 PM

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I forgot the large intercontinental differences in educational systems. I think for this it would be safe to say that yes, a college is like a university.

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While you do have a point that they are paying to go there, you forget that just because one has enough money, it doesn't mean they can get it nor stay in. One has to have the proper may have justification to give you to boot or just a warning despite you paying them to go there. The reason to this is that they allow you to go there in the first place and then you pay to go. It seems somewhat odd at first but that's how it works.

True, it is more than just to be educated, it's to socialize, to become more independent, etc... . However, when one enrolls in a university, ideally they're not enrolling just so they can chat to a few people, it's to be educated. I'll admit though, there probably are other reasons to enrolling and attending.

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Yeah, offensive clothes should be banned, to 'keep the peace' amongst students, and make it feel like a safe space, but it shouldn't be too strict.
I agree with this, however, there's one problem: how do you define "offensive clothing", "too strict", etc...? I'm sure that these are only some of the struggles from the university's standpoint.

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I get they might want to make an image for themselves. But they should focus more on the teaching, learning, and quality of results, more then the clothes students wear. When i came to my open day at Warwick (a top 10 uni in the UK), what people were wearing had no effect on how I felt about the place, and it still doesn't. Most people at a good uni, at about my age, don't dress over half naked (ok, maybe some in the club nights, but not to class), particularly once you settle in as a student, and you realise no one really cares.
Agree also. However, university is in part, a business and they may want have their customers (i.e. future students and parents) see the university as looking good. The current students may not care one way or another and you may only get notice if you're attending class nude, wearing a large Sesame Street costume or if individuals find you physically attractive. However, despite getting a quick notice, it probably isn't going to be such a distraction, it'd probably be more of a "huh, that's odd, whatever" or "damn, nice ass" and that's the end of it. I'm sure though that the university may want to avoid their idea that the future students and parents (or to an extent to current students) may be too distracted in that they'll be staring at the person for the entire lecture.
   
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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 19th 2009, 11:13 PM

I dislike the conformity brought on by dress-codes... but it is their right. I personally think it'd be more fair if it was a rule for just attending classes... Wandering around campus dressed in something slightly less formal than what you would wear to class shouldn't be that offensive.



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Re: All-male College cracks down on Cross-Dressing - October 19th 2009, 11:22 PM

Why on earth would you have an all male college and not expect it to turn into a gay hot spot? That is how the all female ones are. That isn't to say that you have to be gay to wear woman's clothing. I know plenty of straight guys who do it.



   
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