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15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 28th 2009, 10:49 AM

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WARNING: This is an upsetting story. At least I'm hoping it will upset all of you.

"Richmond, California (CNN) -- Investigators say as many as 20 people were involved in or stood and watched the gang rape of a 15-year-old girl outside a California high school homecoming dance Saturday night."

It apparently went on for 2 and a half hours.

It is - in my opinion - a wonderful [As in 'horrible'] example of what can happen when we allow our hearts to harden. I hope that you will all vow to care enough help a victim no matter what the cost may be to you. [And I'm saying that to ME as much as I am saying that to all of you] It's why I said, "At least I'm hoping it will upset all of you", next to the 'warning' above.

It's just too bad that the law does not allow those who just watched and did NOTHING to be charged. IF the girl was one year younger - they could be.

I know this isn't a nice thing to talk about - but I think it's important for all of us to know what can happen when we adopt an attitude of indifference.

Let's keep that poor girl in our thoughts.

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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 28th 2009, 11:09 AM

I think its just sick and disgusting they'd do that! Who wouldn't step in when something like that was happening I don't know! I think people who know about something wrong, especially something like that, who do nothing what so ever to stop it are just as to blame, even calling the police wouldn't have been difficult!!

Feel for the poor girl too Just hope somehow she can get through this!



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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 28th 2009, 11:16 AM

There was a similar story in Dublin where a guy was beaten to death in front of a large crowd. What was bizarre was that at first they had no way of knowing who, or how many people, had committed the crime, and they had to prosecute on the testimony of one girl who they had to literally reduce to tears in court in order to get her to speak. It's the crowd mentality slipping in - everyone's watching, so it's all OK.
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 28th 2009, 03:23 PM

That's actually horrifying.

I have no idea how someone could stand by and watch that. All they had to do was pick up a phone and call the police..
   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 28th 2009, 03:30 PM

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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 28th 2009, 03:51 PM

I read this on the DU... veeerrry disturbing.
   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 28th 2009, 04:01 PM

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People don't feel safe now days reporting crimes do to safety.
Maybe not :/ But I mean... Rape?? In my opinion one of the worst, if not THE worst crime there is... I guess we can all criticize and say oh I would have done this... But particularly in this situation... Im pretty sure I'd have done something! Less quick to do so as a fight (excluding a blatant attack), even though its bad it'll likely have reasons, rape is much more of an attack...



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Maybe not :/ But I mean... Rape?? In my opinion one of the worst, if not THE worst crime there is... I guess we can all criticize and say oh I would have done this... But particularly in this situation... Im pretty sure I'd have done something! Less quick to do so as a fight (excluding a blatant attack), even though its bad it'll likely have reasons, rape is much more of an attack...

Its a bad crime i dont disagree with you, but people are afraid of what will happen to them if they report this serious crime to the police.


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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 28th 2009, 04:19 PM

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Its a bad crime i dont disagree with you, but people are afraid of what will happen to them if they report this serious crime to the police.
There were twenty+ people there. Nobody would have had to have known who reported it.

It went on for over two hours. There was plenty of time to pluck up the courage to put in a call to the police.

Anyway.. what's done is done. The poor girl.
   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 29th 2009, 05:00 AM

The poor girl. Crowd mentality has lead to many tragic events, but this is horrible.

Gang rape is not uncommon, it happens in some third world countries, but for it to happen in the West is just, unheard of.


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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 29th 2009, 05:52 AM

Gang rape is a lot more common that one may believe it to be. I'm not sure how long the average gang rape time is although two hours certainly is pushing it.

I'm wondering though if all those people who stood around were partially involved in it and in a way taking turns at the girl. I find it hard to believe that a bunch of people would stand around and watch the rape for over two hours without either leaving the scene, also raping the girl or calling the police. I could understand if it was a quick rape, such as a few minutes and people may stand around and watch but when it approaches around two hours, I have to wonder how many of them were involved or to some extent enjoying the scene of it. Perhaps a few were doing neither but I don't understand the reasoning for why they'd watch and not leave.
   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 31st 2009, 05:15 PM

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I think its just sick and disgusting they'd do that! Who wouldn't step in when something like that was happening I don't know! I think people who know about something wrong, especially something like that, who do nothing what so ever to stop it are just as to blame, even calling the police wouldn't have been difficult!!

Feel for the poor girl too Just hope somehow she can get through this!
Although I agree with YourNightmare, about the fact that I cant imagine many if any of those watching for any length of time were not involved in some way, I do feel the need to outline the bystander effect. If you are in a crowd of people, you are less likely to do something about an event first. Perhaps you are looking for social cues of how you should act, or you think someone else will act, or whatever. The bigger the group you are in, the greater the effect. But generally once someone breaks this effect, and acts, others are more willing to. It happens. Like one girl got murdered, and all her neighbours heard her screaming for help, yet none tried to help her, because it was a well populated area...

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Gang rape is a lot more common that one may believe it to be. I'm not sure how long the average gang rape time is although two hours certainly is pushing it.

I'm wondering though if all those people who stood around were partially involved in it and in a way taking turns at the girl. I find it hard to believe that a bunch of people would stand around and watch the rape for over two hours without either leaving the scene, also raping the girl or calling the police. I could understand if it was a quick rape, such as a few minutes and people may stand around and watch but when it approaches around two hours, I have to wonder how many of them were involved or to some extent enjoying the scene of it. Perhaps a few were doing neither but I don't understand the reasoning for why they'd watch and not leave.
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Although I agree with YourNightmare, about the fact that I cant imagine many if any of those watching for any length of time were not involved in some way, I do feel the need to outline the bystander effect. If you are in a crowd of people, you are less likely to do something about an event first. Perhaps you are looking for social cues of how you should act, or you think someone else will act, or whatever. The bigger the group you are in, the greater the effect. But generally once someone breaks this effect, and acts, others are more willing to. It happens. Like one girl got murdered, and all her neighbours heard her screaming for help, yet none tried to help her, because it was a well populated area...
Agreed, that has been proven psychologically... Is that the right word? But for me, even if it were a crowd, I couldn't stand and watch for 2 and a half hours, and on stepping gout the crowd you break that feeling of going with the group, begin to think straight, I don't know it easy for us to say now I guess, but I can't believe it didn't cross their minds

I do agree though that I believe gang rape is a lot more common, just so many cases go unreported, my dad and I were talking about it just the other day, and some of the cases perhaps you don't get to hear about... Its sick



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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - October 31st 2009, 06:17 PM

in the bystander effect, you'd hope the thought at least crosses their mind. But we dont always act in line with our beliefs (e.g stepping in/reporting). I like to think I'd also report such things or step in, but to be fair, I've never been in that situation, so I cant speak from experience.
   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 1st 2009, 01:36 AM

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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 1st 2009, 05:18 PM

I wasn't going to own up to this But I will . I was out the other evening and saw a very nasty fight, well kind of it was half dark, these two people really going for each other. At the time I was with friends, and we all just watched in awe as these two tried too... Well what looked like kill each other. None of us even thought of the police, and even when finally someone mentioned it, no one rang... Looking back I feel really guilty, but I still don't know in this situation after all this time Im sure I would of reacted, but then again maybe not. So I kind of have to take back some of what I said, if any of those people who were there felt as threatened as we did the other night I have some sympathy for them as its not a nice thing to see...



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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 1st 2009, 06:12 PM

My class was talking about this the other day. I really think its such a sad and horrible thing that happened.

I just dont understand what the worlds coming to. That people would want to do this to somebody and that a group of people would just gather around and watch. If I was every in that situation I hope that somebody from that crowd would go and get somebody that could stop it. I read the newspaper story and it said that there were a bunch of adults at the dance and cops there but they were all inside. If one person would have ran and got one of the cops the whole thing could have been stopped.

Also why would anybody want to just watch this happen to somebody. Its not funny or amusing in anyway.


   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 1st 2009, 06:29 PM

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My class was talking about this the other day. I really think its such a sad and horrible thing that happened.

I just dont understand what the worlds coming to. That people would want to do this to somebody and that a group of people would just gather around and watch. If I was every in that situation I hope that somebody from that crowd would go and get somebody that could stop it. I read the newspaper story and it said that there were a bunch of adults at the dance and cops there but they were all inside. If one person would have ran and got one of the cops the whole thing could have been stopped.

Also why would anybody want to just watch this happen to somebody. Its not funny or amusing in anyway.
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I just dont understand what the worlds coming to. That people would want to do this to somebody and that a group of people would just gather around and watch. If I was every in that situation I hope that somebody from that crowd would go and get somebody that could stop it. I read the newspaper story and it said that there were a bunch of adults at the dance and cops there but they were all inside. If one person would have ran and got one of the cops the whole thing could have been stopped.

Also why would anybody want to just watch this happen to somebody. Its not funny or amusing in anyway.
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 3rd 2009, 03:18 AM

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I just dont understand what the worlds coming to. That people would want to do this to somebody and that a group of people would just gather around and watch. If I was every in that situation I hope that somebody from that crowd would go and get somebody that could stop it. I read the newspaper story and it said that there were a bunch of adults at the dance and cops there but they were all inside. If one person would have ran and got one of the cops the whole thing could have been stopped.
These sorts of things aren't new at all. They occurred way back in human history and some countries may still practice it, although they have certain beliefs behind it.

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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 4th 2009, 09:51 AM

Reading the comments in this thread made me remember something from my psychology class when I took it. There's a case that deals with something called the Bystander effect. [link]. Basically, it explains that people stand around, waiting for someone else to do something and they expect and expect that someone else will call the police, etc.

Regardless of the reason, they stood around and watched someone's innocence get taken away from them, that in itself, is quite disgusting to me.


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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 12th 2009, 10:43 PM

This is seriously horrible. I live in this area. so it's been all over our local news. A lot of my family lives in Richmond




   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 13th 2009, 01:34 AM

This is quite horrible, sick, diusgusting. But I can't see myself in that situation calling the police...




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I mean, I definitely would want to. But it's the bystander effect, everyone sits around and just waits for someone else to call the police. I don't think I'd be any different...




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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 14th 2009, 04:19 AM

Thats makes me feel like i live in such a horrible area. I can't believe people like this :\




   
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I mean, I definitely would want to. But it's the bystander effect, everyone sits around and just waits for someone else to call the police. I don't think I'd be any different...
Visualize yourself there, watching these events unfold infront of you. You'd do nothing for two hours? You really believe that, Cam?

Humanity, the way we think, act, rationalize, wait for others to act when we know what to do, leads us to do, or not do, some stupid things. This wouldn't be a mistake, if you were to watch someone get raped for two hours, this would be downright torture. This is a child. This is people watching people torture someone for two and a half hours, and yet no one does anything?

I understand I linked to the bystander effect, but wouldn't you think to register it after seconds and/or minutes, not hours? It's sadism to say that, Cam.


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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 15th 2009, 08:24 AM

Unts do I hear the electric chair getting charged, let's share the pain, with capital punishment for all of them! (Wait we still use the chair right? I know here in Arizona we use the gas chambers but I don't think they use them there).


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Visualize yourself there, watching these events unfold infront of you. You'd do nothing for two hours? You really believe that, Cam?

Humanity, the way we think, act, rationalize, wait for others to act when we know what to do, leads us to do, or not do, some stupid things. This wouldn't be a mistake, if you were to watch someone get raped for two hours, this would be downright torture. This is a child. This is people watching people torture someone for two and a half hours, and yet no one does anything?

I understand I linked to the bystander effect, but wouldn't you think to register it after seconds and/or minutes, not hours? It's sadism to say that, Cam.
I guess I just don't know what I'd do until I'm actually in that situation...




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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 18th 2009, 01:50 PM

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Reading the comments in this thread made me remember something from my psychology class when I took it. There's a case that deals with something called the Bystander effect. [link]. Basically, it explains that people stand around, waiting for someone else to do something and they expect and expect that someone else will call the police, etc.

Regardless of the reason, they stood around and watched someone's innocence get taken away from them, that in itself, is quite disgusting to me.
Don't get me wrong I completely agree with you, but I think it's one of those situations you'd have to be in to figure out what your reaction would be. I'd like to believe that I would have phoned the police if I was there but I can't say it for certain as I've never been in a situation like this.

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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 18th 2009, 11:53 PM

I completely understand getting your wits about you, believe me, I do. But two hours..? It doesn't seem a little excessive for people to stand around, it is a little excessive.


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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 19th 2009, 12:24 AM

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I completely understand getting your wits about you, believe me, I do. But two hours..? It doesn't seem a little excessive for people to stand around, it is a little excessive.
Maybe they didn't stick around for the whole 2 hours? As I said earlier though you'd be surprised, the shock of it, you sit there after and kick yourself and think why didn't I do anything?

I think its safe to say the people watching were either victims of the bystander effect, or they were enjoying it, as sick as that sounds. Because quite honestly thats the two categories it comes down too here...



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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 19th 2009, 02:26 AM

20 people? outside? Wouldn't someone have SEEN SOMETHING?! Some people just disgust me!!!



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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 21st 2009, 11:05 PM

I think this is a perfect example of what society is like today; cold, hard, and uncaring.

Myself, I would've called the police in a heartbeat, whether by picking up my cell phone or finding a pay phone. What ever possesses people to just sit by and do nothing, I don't understand. They should all be charged with criminal negligence.

I feel that most people these days only look out for one person: themselves. They only have their own interests at heart. I mean, who wants to call the police to save a defenseless teenage girl from a gang rape? For two and a half hours? You don't even have to put yourself in danger, just make an anonymous phone call to the police.

Personally, I find selfish-ness of society sickening, really. I can't stand people these days, and I'm incredibly vocal about it. My band advocates speaking out, defending the rights of people who may not have a voice who can reach out to many, and I think you Craig for sharing this story with me, and the rest of the people on this forum. It should really be considered an eye opener for anyone reading this, and I will share this story at the next concert my band plays.

Stories like this need to be shoved in people's faces, or they will continue to sit idly by while young boys and girls are raped and abused for the pleasure of others.
   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 22nd 2009, 03:20 PM

I live in California close to where this happened, and this was big news here before it went national.

What scares me the most is there is no actions taken to make sure this doesn't happened again. They may say so, but not really. Our school made a 30 second deal of it in the daily bulletin saying if you see someone being raped, tell someone. I mean, come on. I want to see how they are going to stop this from happening again.
   
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Re: 15 year old girl 'gang raped' in California - November 24th 2009, 04:08 PM

This is clearly awful, and I would defintley have reported the crime. But would I have been altruistic enough to at the time say "hold on, stop" and thus put myself at (very probable) risk of the same abuse? I'm just one girl, I'm not very big, not very strong, can't run and can't shout. If you tried to stop these people at the time the chances are the same thing would happen to you.. It's hard to say but - no, I wouldn't sacrifice my own safety like that. I'd leave and call the police, or if I couldn't leave without putting myself in danger, waitl, then call the police. It sounds horrible but in these kind of situations the instinctive self-protect mode does step in, I don't think this makes me a bad person ... just perhaps more honest than the others posting in this thread.
   
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