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Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 4th 2009, 08:26 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-gay-marriage/

God dammit, not prop 8 again... I know it's too close to call yet, but I still don't see anything good going on with this

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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 4th 2009, 08:35 PM

I just think this is fricken retarted. Who the hell cares if gays get married there not the ones doing it so it shouldn't fricken matter. I'm gettinbg tired of all this bullshit stuff on not accepting gay,lesbians,bi and others


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 4th 2009, 10:12 PM

yeah i agree with Frankie. they should just let everyone marry who they want already.. who really cares???.


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 4th 2009, 10:21 PM

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you would think that since Maine is fairly progressive it would pass but...nope, they still haven't gotten there yet.


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 4th 2009, 10:25 PM

Such bullshit. People can't get their heads out of their asses and see that religion does not belong in the law and there is NO argument from banning gay marriage that isn't based in religion. Listen people marriage, it's not a religious institution anymore. It's a piece of paper that two people sign. Sometimes those people are in love, sometimes those people are just drunk. They are Jewish, Christian, Catholic, Athiest. etc... You're narrow minded discriminatory religious views have no place in that law.


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 4th 2009, 11:07 PM

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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 5th 2009, 02:03 AM

Honestly, I think 'gay-marriage' should be an entity in itself. it shouldnt be regular marriage. I mean, it should get all the benefits and such, but just not be the same thing. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay-marriage can be between same sex. And churches shouldn't be forced to be involved in the entity of gay marriage because they, too, have their own customs and shouldn't have others views forced upon them, just as many say the vice versa. Just saying.


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 5th 2009, 02:47 AM

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Honestly, I think 'gay-marriage' should be an entity in itself. it shouldnt be regular marriage. I mean, it should get all the benefits and such, but just not be the same thing. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay-marriage can be between same sex. And churches shouldn't be forced to be involved in the entity of gay marriage because they, too, have their own customs and shouldn't have others views forced upon them, just as many say the vice versa. Just saying.
Marriage means union. Churches aren't being forced to do anything, it will be a purely a governmental institution. Marriage was around before Christianity as well, plus I am pretty sure we don't refer to it as straight marriage between heterosexuals, so why should we be forced to refer to it as gay marriage?


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 5th 2009, 03:00 AM

Because marriage is defined as the partnership of a man and a woman. Why can't gay-marriage be its own entity with its own definition?


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 5th 2009, 04:26 AM

This is one of those things that people simply shouldn't be allowed to vote on. The right to marriage and family life should be an inalienable right. The idea that there is anything wrong with gay marriage is just crazy, marriage is not a Christian institution and is not always "between a man and a woman", hell they even had gay marriage back in Ancient Roman times. Just because our society has traditionally defined marriage as "between a man and a woman" does not mean the term marriage cannot be redefined. Words and concepts are not stable entities, their meanings and definitions evolve over time.
   
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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 5th 2009, 04:50 AM

This is retarded. People should not get to decide how other people live their lives. I mean seriously. "If ye harm none, do as ye wish". Marriage harms none, so they should be allowed to marry whoever they want.


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 5th 2009, 11:03 AM

I was crushed when I heard the news about this. I had such high hopes for Maine, then this happened. Since when did people get to vote on the basic civil rights of others? This should never have been put to a vote. Also, what ever happened to separation of church and state?


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This is one of those things that people simply shouldn't be allowed to vote on. The right to marriage and family life should be an inalienable right. The idea that there is anything wrong with gay marriage is just crazy, marriage is not a Christian institution and is not always "between a man and a woman", hell they even had gay marriage back in Ancient Roman times. Just because our society has traditionally defined marriage as "between a man and a woman" does not mean the term marriage cannot be redefined. Words and concepts are not stable entities, their meanings and definitions evolve over time.
It is. In the case of Loving v. Virginia the Supreme Court ruled that Amendment 14 states that every American citizen has the right to basic human rights and that marriage is a basic human right. Honestly with this ruling I don't understand how it is even legal that gay-marriage is illegal.

To Scout. If we were to call all marriages between a same-sex couple "gay-marriages" then we would have to call all marriages between opposite sex couples "straight-marriages" Otherwise it just wouldn't make sense.


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It's wrong for the same reason separate water fountains and bathrooms are wrong.
Exactly.

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17. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

16. Gay culture is a new fad created by the liberal media to undermine long-standing traditions. We know this is true because gay sex did not exist in ancient Greece and Rome.

15. There are plenty of straight families looking to adopt, and every unwanted child already has a loving family. This is why foster care does not exist.

14. Conservatives know best how to create strong families. That is why it is not true that Texas and Mississippi have the highest teen birthrates, and Massachusetts, Vermont, and New Hampshire have the lowest. This is a myth spread by the liberal media.

13. Marriage is a religious institution, defined by churches. This is why atheists do not marry. Christians also never get a divorce.

12. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why our society has no single parents.

11. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

10. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

9. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 5th 2009, 09:34 PM

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Marriage means union, for example, you could say a marriage of two ideals. Also, to make it 'equal but different' has been disastrous in the past.


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 5th 2009, 09:42 PM

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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 8th 2009, 01:48 AM

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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 8th 2009, 05:19 AM

I full on cried when I heard this.

It's so unbelievably frustrating to be told I'm not worth what other people are. That my wants and desires are not worth as much as other peoples.
It's frustrating to work so hard to spread the word and try to convince people that gay marriage should be legal.
It's frustrating to think you've made progress in the LGBT community just to regress a-fucking-gain.

I'm BEYOND pissed. I'm personally offended.

I also ask the question, how the hell can people go around saying everyone is loved and 'you're a good person' and "God loves everyone" when I can't go marry a girl?



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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 8th 2009, 05:34 AM

I just don't understand why people insist on making this so difficult..
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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 8th 2009, 06:16 AM

This is really sad actually. I don't know why people can't keep their relgion to themselves.


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 8th 2009, 09:08 PM

This is EXACTLY why it shouldn't be left up to popular vote. The people in the legislatures (although it doesn't always seem like this) are smarter than the average American. Even in the most liberal and progressive state in the nation, they still manage to get it banned. I don't understand how ignorant and bigoted (I'm not saying evil, they're just stupid) this country really is... It just doesn't make any sense to me...




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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 11th 2009, 04:28 PM

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I also ask the question, how the hell can people go around saying everyone is loved and 'you're a good person' and "God loves everyone" when I can't go marry a girl?
I wonder that same exact question. I'm not religous well I am but then I'm not but the fact is: God made us the way we are and if we like girls thats how he intended it to be.

Also people say "everyone" is equal and treated the same. But thats a bunch of B.S. because if it was true I would be able to get married!


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 15th 2009, 08:30 AM

Yes, Conservative Christains win again! We have a long way to go but I know we can keep this "Gay Marriage" thing out of our nation (Well marrige is between a man and a woman, so to be technical that's not exaclty the correct term).


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 15th 2009, 04:11 PM

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Word. We are worth exactly the same as everyone else. Our rights should be a given, we shouldn't have to fight what is handed to everyone else on a freaking plate. EURGH.

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Yes, Conservative Christains win again! We have a long way to go but I know we can keep this "Gay Marriage" thing out of our nation (Well marrige is between a man and a woman, so to be technical that's not exaclty the correct term).
No matter how hard you try it will never be out of your nation. People have a right to love, you will never be able to take that from them. No matter how hard you try you can't stop people from falling in love. An absence of marriage isn't an absence of love, it is just a failed attempt at justice.


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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 16th 2009, 05:49 AM

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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 16th 2009, 01:00 PM

At the end of the day we're all the same on the inside, love is the same no matter what. Unfortunately, I doubt that there will ever be a day where homophobia is completely none existent.
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Re: Maine gay marriage ban locked in vote - November 16th 2009, 05:05 PM

-sigh- I don't like the idea of voting at all. What other people do with their lives has nothing to do with others /: This actually makes me want to cry

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I wonder that same exact question. I'm not religous well I am but then I'm not but the fact is: God made us the way we are and if we like girls thats how he intended it to be.

Also people say "everyone" is equal and treated the same. But thats a bunch of B.S. because if it was true I would be able to get married!
Because God has given us free-will, and according to a lot of hetrosexual Christians being gay/bisexual is a "choice". Personally I don't believe in that in the slightest as I'm an Athiest, but if you asked that question to a Christian that's what they'd probably answer with.


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