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Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 18th 2009, 06:22 AM

From the research labs of Canada's worlds famous university, McGill. Researchers discovered that people who have smoked weed in the past have showed that weed users are more prone to depression and anxiety.

What do you think?

Im glad i found this because I hate drugs. I never wanted to use them. And I honestly care less about the users. Except the fact that the real victims are the tax payers paying for drug subsidies, that treat irresponsible people.

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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 18th 2009, 07:10 AM

Its a study on rats... in real life, on humans, who smoke pot, I believe there is much less evidence, although with that study, I'd still want to know more about their funding agent, method and results.

There's a fair amount of evidence that pot isn't hamrful to most people, and some leading experts go as far to say its less harmful then nicotine or alcohol. Though this is still controversial. One study that found skunk to be more dangerous, suggested it was also largely to do with how long and how often you are smoking it. Of course if you are smoking for years, numerous times a day, it is potentially going to be harmful, but most users don't do that. It's like alcohol, a few units a week isnt a big deal, its not going to hurt you (generally), but if you drink lots of units daily, it's going to mess your body up... moderation and responsible use are the key. Also, mental health problems in humans are hard to study, they generally study clinical samples, whihc makes it really skewed.

And I think you lack compassion for not caring about drug users, because out of the people that develop a problem (with pot, this isnt many), most have done so due to recklessness (out of immaturity, which you cant really hold against youth), coping methods (or do you have no sympathy for self harmers?) or circumstance.

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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 18th 2009, 07:25 AM

Not the most convincing study in the world, but then I hardly need more reasons than I already have to avoid drugs like the plague.


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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 18th 2009, 09:24 AM

I agree with Tegan...it majorly depends on how much and how often the users smoke. I'm not worried about my use of weed because it's only a couple of puffs every few weeks.


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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 18th 2009, 10:27 AM

The article doesn't specify the amount used per day and so it leaves a big gap open. Cannabis does affect the anatomy and physiology of the brain but the effects don't always affect behavior later on. In terms of mental illness, such as for schizophrenia, according to Howes and Kapur (2009) out of a scale of 10 regarding prodromal phase of schizophrenia in youth, cannabis' risk was 2.1/10, pretty low. Drugs can be harmful though, such as amphetamines used frequently, which got 10/10. So yes it may alter brain anatomy for a long time but the big question is will that brain anatomy change reliably alter adult behavior years and years later? Knowing it changes brain anatomy and physiology is already documented numerous times.
   
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 19th 2009, 10:40 AM

I thought that, at the same time, the now ex (Because he was sacked for this) british medical general or whatever had compiled 50 years of study that said the exact opposite? Not sure on this but I heard it not long ago, so correct me if I'm wrong and more details are probably neccesary.


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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 19th 2009, 03:58 PM

Professor Nutt was sack from the Drugs Advisory board for basically saying that pot was not harmful. It did also cause numerous other experts on the drugs advisory board to resign, particularly as the Govenrment in the UK refuse to have an scientific drug's policy, instead will do whatever they politically want.
   
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 19th 2009, 08:25 PM

Hundreds of studies showing that weed really isn't that bad.
"Well I don't know..."

A politically sponsored study comes out saying weed kills your brain.
"AHA! See?! I Knew it! Damn Druggies!


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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 20th 2009, 02:07 AM

And with your source, I have one that sources many others that says the exact opposite:

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/




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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 20th 2009, 10:12 AM

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Hundreds of studies showing that weed really isn't that bad.
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LOL, a pretty big problem but of course that's how some of society and some politicians operate, through ignorance.
   
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 20th 2009, 01:18 PM

Perhaps cannabis doesn't have long term effects, perhaps it does. I'm not really willing to take the chance, especially since its illegal too. So maybe you think the law should be changed but thats besides the point. There's plenty of other laws I don't necessarily 'agree' with but you still have to obey them. Most laws are there for a reason, and yea maybe the cannabis laws are informed more by politics and tradition as opposed to hard science, but cannabis still causes a lot of upset. Especially amongst parents who think their children change character and become demotivated due to using it.
   
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 20th 2009, 03:14 PM

A law that is illinform, inaccurate, out dated and well... silly, should be blindly followed just because its a law? Its there for a reason, but the wrong reason. And not all pot smokers are living at home with their parents Many successful university students smoke pot.
   
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 20th 2009, 09:26 PM

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Perhaps cannabis doesn't have long term effects, perhaps it does. I'm not really willing to take the chance, especially since its illegal too. So maybe you think the law should be changed but thats besides the point. There's plenty of other laws I don't necessarily 'agree' with but you still have to obey them. Most laws are there for a reason, and yea maybe the cannabis laws are informed more by politics and tradition as opposed to hard science, but cannabis still causes a lot of upset. Especially amongst parents who think their children change character and become demotivated due to using it.
A law that is based on facts that are flat out wrong should not be a law. Cannabis doesn't cause demotivational syndrome. The only reason it became illegal (in the US) was for racist reasons. Black people and Mexicans smoked a lot of pot in the 20s, so the government, helped along by A LOT of yellow journalism, made it illegal...




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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 20th 2009, 11:25 PM

I think that the police should spend their time on better things than busting pot smokers. Unless they're so out of control that they're a risk to themselves or others.

As for the study, well things go both ways... so I don't think it'll ever be known, and I don't think it'll ever be legal. The only reason alcohol is legal is because things got so out of control with prohibition that they had no other choice. People don't care enough about weed to get that dramatic about it. They all should get over it with age, but alcohol is more of an adulthood thing.


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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 12:19 AM

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A law that is illinform, inaccurate, out dated and well... silly, should be blindly followed just because its a law? Its there for a reason, but the wrong reason. And not all pot smokers are living at home with their parents Many successful university students smoke pot.
What makes me lol, is that the reason weed is illegal has NOTHING to to with it being a drug. It had to do with a competition between the paper and canvas industries (cannabis can me made into a woven fabric canvas thing). The paper industry had some pull with the government, and walla, weed became illegal.

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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 01:11 AM

Problem is many politicians are idiots..


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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 02:33 AM

The problem is, the heavy users are going to be the ones who are depressed/have anxiety/etc so of course they'd show higher rates of it later as it develops further?



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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 03:28 AM

I doubt weed was made illegal "for racist reasons" or even paper. It was likely just grouped in with every other substance in the 60's... There's no hidden meaning beneath the meaning, it's sort of silly when people dig around for these points.
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 03:28 AM

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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 03:56 AM

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Regardless, it will never be legal.
Actually, it was. Look it up. I did a speech on it... And it's been illegal since the 20s, not the 60s...

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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 12:26 PM

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The problem is, the heavy users are going to be the ones who are depressed/have anxiety/etc so of course they'd show higher rates of it later as it develops further?
Quite possibly so but I wouldn't say it's a definite fact that all heavy users are all depressed, have high anxiety and so forth before they began puffing.
   
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 01:10 PM

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It already is in some states.

And it was outlawed a loooong time ago, before the 60s.

Well, do you want to know why it is outlawed in the United States [in most states anyhow]?
Special interest groups. Alcohol companies don't want there to be any other readily available inhibiting substance except for alcohol. It's not from the 60s drugs movement or whatnot...just all boils down to politics. So, there is a valid reason - it's just not as easy as saying The Man doesn't want us to have any fun.


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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 21st 2009, 04:41 PM

Regardless of why it was originally made illegal, its quite clear its still illegal for political and not scientific reasons.
   
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 28th 2009, 07:24 PM

Weed is bad for you..

http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyand...4-a85d226d4959
http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/...es/005394.html

its linked to mental illness.

In general schizophrenia can be seen in 1 out of 100 people.
schizophernia can also be seen in 13 out of 100 weed users in their late twenties...

Either it is linked... or weed attracts a special group of people.

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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 28th 2009, 10:16 PM

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Weed is bad for you..

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its linked to mental illness.

In general schizophrenia can be seen in 1 out of 100 people.
schizophernia can also be seen in 13 out of 100 weed users in their late twenties...

Either it is linked... or weed attracts a special group of people.

Also keep in mind weed usually have chemical additives so drug makers could make more profit by adding more weight or whatever that alters the perceived value
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 29th 2009, 12:31 AM

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Its a study on rats... in real life, on humans, who smoke pot, I believe there is much less evidence, although with that study, I'd still want to know more about their funding agent, method and results.

There's a fair amount of evidence that pot isn't hamrful to most people, and some leading experts go as far to say its less harmful then nicotine or alcohol. Though this is still controversial. One study that found skunk to be more dangerous, suggested it was also largely to do with how long and how often you are smoking it. Of course if you are smoking for years, numerous times a day, it is potentially going to be harmful, but most users don't do that. It's like alcohol, a few units a week isnt a big deal, its not going to hurt you (generally), but if you drink lots of units daily, it's going to mess your body up... moderation and responsible use are the key. Also, mental health problems in humans are hard to study, they generally study clinical samples, whihc makes it really skewed.

And I think you lack compassion for not caring about drug users, because out of the people that develop a problem (with pot, this isnt many), most have done so due to recklessness (out of immaturity, which you cant really hold against youth), coping methods (or do you have no sympathy for self harmers?) or circumstance.
Dude you cannot just state these things like facts without sources. So.. sources? links? citations?
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Dude you cannot just state these things like facts without sources. So.. sources? links? citations?
I'm not arguing against your points but I do actually want to read about the research from valid sources before I assume them to be correct/true.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

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I've posted this 3 times now!! Read this. Pot is not as bad as people say it is!!
I'm going to go ahead and presume you've never had a friend with cannabis enduced psychosis or similar disorder? Or worked on wards (as I do) where people suffering from these disorders are treated?

Cannabis may not be massively harmful and may not cause the same amount of damage as alcohol and cigarettes, but does that make it okay to go ahead and smoke it reguarly? Nope. The very fact that there are such hugely contrasting results of research study should make anyone weary.
   
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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 29th 2009, 12:22 PM

I wouldn't be suprised if it wasn't the other way round, people who are prone to anxiety and depression are more likely to smoke weed. I know I was already suffering from depression and anxiety when I began to smoke weed.



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Re: Weed permanently disrupts the Brain! - December 29th 2009, 11:02 PM

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Cannabis may not be massively harmful and may not cause the same amount of damage as alcohol and cigarettes, but does that make it okay to go ahead and smoke it reguarly? Nope. The very fact that there are such hugely contrasting results of research study should make anyone weary.
No, it's not good to smoke it regularly. I never said it wasn't bad for you. I just said it's not as bad as the government and most people say/think it is.

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