TeenHelp
Support Forums Today's Posts

Get Advice Connect with TeenHelp Resources
HelpLINK Facebook     Twitter     Tumblr     Instagram    Hotlines    Safety Zone    Alternatives

You are not registered or have not logged in

Hello guest! (Not a guest? Log in above!)

As a guest on TeenHelp you are only able to use some of our site's features. By registering an account you will be able to enjoy unlimited access to our site, and will be able to:

  • Connect with thousands of teenagers worldwide by actively taking part in our Support Forums and Chat Room.
  • Find others with similar interests in our Social Groups.
  • Express yourself through our Blogs, Picture Albums and User Profiles.
  • And much much more!

Signing up is free, anonymous and will only take a few moments, so click here to register now!


Current Events and Debates For discussions and friendly debates about politics and current events, check out this forum.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  (#1 (permalink)) Old
Blackwing Offline
I can't get enough
*********
 
Blackwing's Avatar
 
Name: Zack
Gender: Male
Location: Arizona(Usa)

Posts: 2,830
Blog Entries: 3
Join Date: January 7th 2009

China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 9th 2010, 11:53 PM

China's reckless use of antibiotics in the health system and agricultural production is unleashing an explosion of drug resistant superbugs that endanger global health, according to leading scientists...




Source


  Send a message via AIM to Blackwing  
  (#2 (permalink)) Old
Member
Junior TeenHelper
****
 
CompassionateSoul's Avatar
 
Gender: Male

Posts: 346
Blog Entries: 7
Join Date: November 26th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 03:09 AM

Oh, great, if global warming, or an asteroid won't get us, a superbug will.

Wait? Wasn't H1N1 supposed to be a superbug that were feared to become global pandemics? As was the SARS virus? Avian bird flu?

As of January 31st 2009, H1N1 has killed 15,174 people worldwide (WHO).

SARS, death toll around 773, out of the more than 8,300 infected, worldwide (USA Today, Oct 2003).

Avian (bird) flu OR H5N1, 81 human cases as of July 27, 2009.

Quote:
Take every terror attack in the past 20 years. Add every airline crash. Add SARS or H1N1. Add many of the diseases whose causes are championed by high-profile telethons and gala fundraisers. The total death toll pales when compared with what might be called the world's megadisasters. Before Haiti (230,000 deaths), an estimated 70,000 people perished in 2008's earthquake in Sichuan, China. Before that almost 150,000 died when the cyclone Nargis struck Burma. In 2005, the death toll from an earthquake in the mountains of Kashmir approached 90,000. The year before, in the greatest such recent disaster, the Indian Ocean tsunami killed perhaps 230,000.
Natural disasters and weather events are the biggest threat to humankind, it always has been, and always will be. I don't care for the media's scare-mongering and hype. I heard enough about H1N1 for two straight months, and after it's "3rd wave" it has affected a tiny number of the global population, nowhere near the numbers the media constantly implied.

Also, that article is currently the only one of it's kind and it has been published in two newspapers - The Telegraph and The Sydney Morning Herald. At the moment it's a stand alone article, there are thousands of those around. When there's more reporting on the subject, I'll be more interested.


I would be more scared of this, than a 'superbug':



What doesn't kill you makes you stronger and wiser, that in itself, is worth the fight.

The best way to predict the future is to create it - Peter F. Drucker

The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. - Nelson Mandela


   
  (#3 (permalink)) Old
EightEleven91 Offline
Member
Junior TeenHelper
****
 
EightEleven91's Avatar
 
Name: Dan
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Location: UK

Posts: 269
Join Date: February 22nd 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 03:28 AM

Its gunna get overhyped like swine 'flu'.
Typical of the media to use the word SUPER.. To make it sound alarming. Its just a bug that doesnt die when you use certain medicines. There are dozens of bugs that we dont have medicines for.
   
  (#4 (permalink)) Old
Xujhan Offline
Resident Atheist
I can't get enough
*********
 
Xujhan's Avatar
 
Name: Fletcher
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada

Posts: 2,024
Join Date: January 17th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 03:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares View Post
China's reckless use of antibiotics in the health system and agricultural production is unleashing an explosion of drug resistant superbugs that endanger global health, according to leading scientists...




Source
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't America been doing the same thing for ages? But I suppose, god forbid should the Chinese want to follow our excellent example.


The atoms that make up you and me were born in the hearts of suns many times greater than ours, and in time our atoms will once again reside amongst the stars. Life is but an idle dalliance of the cosmos, frail, and soon forgotten. We have been set adrift in an ocean whose tides we are only beginning to comprehend and with that maturity has come the realization that we are, at least for now, alone. In that loneliness, it falls to us to shine as brightly as the stars from which we came.
  Send a message via MSN to Xujhan  
1 user(s) liked this post or found it helpful.
  (#5 (permalink)) Old
Hdjdjdjduvieg Offline
Wandering Wayfarer
I've been here a while
********
 
Hdjdjdjduvieg's Avatar
 
Name: no

Posts: 1,127
Join Date: January 6th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 05:24 AM

Dear God, now how did THIS becomes some global warming shouting America bashing thread?!

I say let us fight and cure diseases before we worry about natural disasters that may or may not happen 100000 years in the future. I can name a million and one things more important than a slightly possible threat to polar bears including what I'm going to have for breakfast tomorrow morning...

That was overstatement. Take no offence. Anyways, I find this article sort of scary. Superbugs are a bit more to be reckoned with than Swine. Superbugs are like MRSA... which many people died from...

And well, Xujhan, frankly... your location is not listed as America so until you have lived in America and been treated by American doctors, I would suggest keeping your incorrect liberal statements away from such...

On the other hand I have lived in America. And no, you do not get anti-b's for sore throats. I had a feckin' gland swollen up like a balloon infection of horrific pain and I was told 'it's an infection, it'll go away on it's own, come back if it doesn't' and it did. I had never heard of ab's being thrown onto random maladies as it has been reported in China. Just because another country is causing problems, doesn't mean you need to route it to America. That's just sort of silly.


I love the name of honour more than I fear death.
   
  (#6 (permalink)) Old
Xujhan Offline
Resident Atheist
I can't get enough
*********
 
Xujhan's Avatar
 
Name: Fletcher
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada

Posts: 2,024
Join Date: January 17th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 06:01 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phin View Post
...incorrect liberal statements...
Isn't the term you're looking for 'socialist'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phin View Post
And well, Xujhan, frankly... your location is not listed as America so until you have lived in America and been treated by American doctors, I would suggest keeping your incorrect liberal statements away from such...

On the other hand I have lived in America. And no, you do not get anti-b's for sore throats. I had a feckin' gland swollen up like a balloon infection of horrific pain and I was told 'it's an infection, it'll go away on it's own, come back if it doesn't' and it did. I had never heard of ab's being thrown onto random maladies as it has been reported in China. Just because another country is causing problems, doesn't mean you need to route it to America. That's just sort of silly.
I apologize, I didn't realize that living outside of America prohibited me from doing very basic research:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/facts.../en/index.html
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/facts.../en/index.html

I named America specifically to make a point to Zack, which I admit was a little ad-hominem of me. I happily concede that Canada and Europe are contributing to the problem as well; though I thought that saying "follow our excellent example" would have indicated that I at least include Canada in my silly finger-pointing.

And do make sure you let me know what you have for breakfast tomorrow morning. I'll be sure to pass it along to the polar bears.


The atoms that make up you and me were born in the hearts of suns many times greater than ours, and in time our atoms will once again reside amongst the stars. Life is but an idle dalliance of the cosmos, frail, and soon forgotten. We have been set adrift in an ocean whose tides we are only beginning to comprehend and with that maturity has come the realization that we are, at least for now, alone. In that loneliness, it falls to us to shine as brightly as the stars from which we came.
  Send a message via MSN to Xujhan  
  (#7 (permalink)) Old
Hdjdjdjduvieg Offline
Wandering Wayfarer
I've been here a while
********
 
Hdjdjdjduvieg's Avatar
 
Name: no

Posts: 1,127
Join Date: January 6th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 06:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xujhan View Post
Isn't the term you're looking for 'socialist'?



I apologize, I didn't realize that living outside of America prohibited me from doing very basic research:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/facts.../en/index.html
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/facts.../en/index.html

I named America specifically to make a point to Zack, which I admit was a little ad-hominem of me. I happily concede that Canada and Europe are contributing to the problem as well; though I thought that saying "follow our excellent example" would have indicated that I at least include Canada in my silly finger-pointing.

And do make sure you let me know what you have for breakfast tomorrow morning. I'll be sure to pass it along to the polar bears.
All that was was a fact sheet on the threat of antibiotics-- not a record of Americans throwing them at anyone with a cough. I have noticed (even though I have not been on this site for months) at this moment your's and Zack's rivalry, and as a person whose blood boils at nearly every single thing you say, I have interject at some point. And as a leader in socialised medicine, I would hope you in Canada are not wasting supplies on random ailments.

It'll probably be eggs or sausage... or some other brand of manly breakfast.

Liberal... socialist... in this day and age, it's nearly synonymic.

And regardless of whether you are doing it in Canada, last I heard China has a mind of its own and is not 'monkey-see-monkey-do' thus it is quite possible they are administering these antibiotics on their own accord! Even so, they are a massive population, much larger than Canada-- thus their spread of it would be worse than yours. In a sense, they should be dealt with swifter because their administration of the drugs is more of a problem due to population alone-- of course, if that is even the case.


I love the name of honour more than I fear death.
   
  (#8 (permalink)) Old
Xujhan Offline
Resident Atheist
I can't get enough
*********
 
Xujhan's Avatar
 
Name: Fletcher
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Location: Ontario, Canada

Posts: 2,024
Join Date: January 17th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 06:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phin View Post
All that was was a fact sheet on the threat of antibiotics-- not a record of Americans throwing them at anyone with a cough. I have noticed (even though I have not been on this site for months) at this moment your's and Zack's rivalry, and as a person whose blood boils at nearly every single thing you say, I have interject at some point. And as a leader in socialised medicine, I would hope you in Canada are not wasting supplies on random ailments.
Heh, Zack's not my rival. That title definitely belongs to Michael. All in good fun, I hope.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phin View Post
Liberal... socialist... in this day and age, it's nearly synonymic.
Wouldn't also happen to be synonimous with evil, would it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phin View Post
And regardless of whether you are doing it in Canada, last I heard China has a mind of its own and is not 'monkey-see-monkey-do' thus it is quite possible they are administering these antibiotics on their own accord! Even so, they are a massive population, much larger than Canada-- thus their spread of it would be worse than yours. In a sense, they should be dealt with swifter because their administration of the drugs is more of a problem due to population alone-- of course, if that is even the case.
To a totally objective outsider, perhaps. But none of us are. It's the same here as it was in Copenhagen: we have to lead by example. If we want China and other developing countries to do anything - curb greenhouse emissions, cut down pollution, regulate the use of antibiotics, you name it - we have to show that we're willing to do it first. To do otherwise is simply hypocritical.


The atoms that make up you and me were born in the hearts of suns many times greater than ours, and in time our atoms will once again reside amongst the stars. Life is but an idle dalliance of the cosmos, frail, and soon forgotten. We have been set adrift in an ocean whose tides we are only beginning to comprehend and with that maturity has come the realization that we are, at least for now, alone. In that loneliness, it falls to us to shine as brightly as the stars from which we came.
  Send a message via MSN to Xujhan  
  (#9 (permalink)) Old
Hdjdjdjduvieg Offline
Wandering Wayfarer
I've been here a while
********
 
Hdjdjdjduvieg's Avatar
 
Name: no

Posts: 1,127
Join Date: January 6th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 02:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xujhan View Post
Heh, Zack's not my rival. That title definitely belongs to Michael. All in good fun, I hope.
Always.



Quote:
Wouldn't also happen to be synonimous with evil, would it?
Synonymic with 'stomach-churning' perhaps, throw communism in there and you get a bit of ideal, but far from real-- which can be interpreted as evil in terms of how it has worked out in the past.


Quote:
To a totally objective outsider, perhaps. But none of us are. It's the same here as it was in Copenhagen: we have to lead by example. If we want China and other developing countries to do anything - curb greenhouse emissions, cut down pollution, regulate the use of antibiotics, you name it - we have to show that we're willing to do it first. To do otherwise is simply hypocritical.
Oh, no of course I agree with that. But America is not throwing anti biotics at people who stub their toes. Of course America uses anti-biotics, but in treating illnesses where it's necessary... well, it's necessary.

As far as I can see, efforts are always being made by America to cut down pollution and whatnot-- yet China is leading in emissions. Of course with America not lagging release at all, it seems almost comical to be concerned with China, except that they seem to have a reputation of blowing things out of proportion... then again, I do not believe in global warming, but I'd still rather have clean air.


I love the name of honour more than I fear death.
   
  (#10 (permalink)) Old
Member
I can't get enough
*********
 
her_beautiful_mistake's Avatar
 
Name: Rachel
Gender: Female
Location: Britland

Posts: 2,262
Blog Entries: 29
Join Date: January 18th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 03:01 PM

The replies to this thread made me die a little bit inside.

Last edited by her_beautiful_mistake; February 10th 2010 at 03:26 PM.
   
  (#11 (permalink)) Old
Marvin Offline
Member
I've been here a while
********
 
Marvin's Avatar
 
Name: Marvin
Gender: Male
Location: USA

Posts: 1,576
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: January 6th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 03:20 PM

Two main points.

MSRA, unlike swine flu, is a super bug... its a pretty big concern already in the UK. Normally, it's not an issue, it lives on our skin, etc, etc, and we don't die... it's once you become ill, and your immune system is weakened, it's dangerous... MSRA has been a big issue in UK hospitals over the last few years, and the government have really worked to limit the spread of it... Swine flu was a virus, anti-biotics don't kill it anyway... the idea of superbugs are bacterial infections that have a resistance to the drugs to treat them... And chances are, new drugs will probably be made, and we will probably be fine, BUT, until then, there is quite a high level of concern when drugs stop working.

Second point, I agree the west need to change what they are doing, I think the UK has got a lot stricter on this since the scares of MSRA. But it is difficult to have the history of the West, and expect developing countries to not be allowed to do what we have done. Of course, China needs to be stricter with drugs, but by the sounds of it, this is probably a bigger issue with their medical system, which should be reviewed and perhaps reformed. Hopefully as China gets richer, this will be addressed in-depth.

Also, whilst you guys mentionned emissions, an interesting point to consider is, as countries develop, they start off with higher pollution levels, but as they get richer, and more developed, they decrease, as the affordable technology improves. Chances are, China's emissions will decrease ove the next few decades...
   
  (#12 (permalink)) Old
Blackwing Offline
I can't get enough
*********
 
Blackwing's Avatar
 
Name: Zack
Gender: Male
Location: Arizona(Usa)

Posts: 2,830
Blog Entries: 3
Join Date: January 7th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 10th 2010, 06:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xujhan View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't America been doing the same thing for ages? But I suppose, god forbid should the Chinese want to follow our excellent example.

Doesn't mean i agree with the actions of america.


  Send a message via AIM to Blackwing  
  (#13 (permalink)) Old
Member
Junior TeenHelper
****
 
CompassionateSoul's Avatar
 
Gender: Male

Posts: 346
Blog Entries: 7
Join Date: November 26th 2009

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 11th 2010, 05:01 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phin View Post
Dear God, now how did THIS becomes some global warming shouting America bashing thread?!

I say let us fight and cure diseases before we worry about natural disasters that may or may not happen 100000 years in the future.
Apparently you didn't understand my sarcasm, or my point.
Natural disasters and weather events will kill more people than 'superbugs' - I'm referring to earthquakes as in Haiti, storms like Katrina, etc. They are more deadly than these so-called superbugs and 'pandemics', as they are labelled by the media. These are things happening now.
Why should human health come before the 'health' of the planet anyway?

MRSA is just about the only 'bug' I would consider a superbug, up to 53 million people (2.7% of S. aureus (the species of the bacterium) carriers) are thought to carry MRSA.

I think it's rather irresponsible to give out antibiotics for little things that a strong dose of acetaminophen will sort out within a couple of hours. The more you expose any virus to a drug, the more likely it is to mutate into another strain, or build resistance to any vaccines/drugs, right?


What doesn't kill you makes you stronger and wiser, that in itself, is worth the fight.

The best way to predict the future is to create it - Peter F. Drucker

The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. - Nelson Mandela


   
  (#14 (permalink)) Old
AlkalineTears Offline
Hellbound
Not a n00b
**
 
AlkalineTears's Avatar
 
Name: Nameless
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Location: Hell

Posts: 67
Join Date: January 15th 2010

Re: China threatens world health by unleashing waves of superbugs - February 11th 2010, 05:22 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares View Post
China's reckless use of antibiotics in the health system and agricultural production is unleashing an explosion of drug resistant superbugs that endanger global health, according to leading scientists...




Source
You have to expect that new bugs, viruses and bacteria will evolve into hybrids with the medicine we are updating constantly.

Its not a question of safety, it just happens its part of evolution.
   
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Tags
china, health, superbugs, threatens, unleashing, waves, world

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All material copyright 1998-2019, TeenHelp.
Terms | Legal | Privacy | Conduct | Complaints

Powered by vBulletin®.
Copyright ©2000-2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search engine optimization by vBSEO.
Theme developed in association with vBStyles.