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Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 5th 2010, 05:03 PM

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NORWOOD, Pa. - As the high-speed Acela train came thundering down the rails, a teenage girl screamed at her friends to get off the tracks.But Gina Gentile and Vanessa Dorwart did not move. They hugged as the train bore down on them at speeds up to 110 mph, carrying out a suicide pact that the witness herself had backed out of only moments before.
The loss has shaken Norwood and its neighboring towns just outside Philadelphia. There were hints the pretty and popular high school sophomores may have been suffering from depression, but experts say such suicide pacts are extremely uncommon ó especially among teens. Pacts are made because suicide is so daunting ó and they are broken for the same reason, said Thomas Joiner, a psychology professor at Florida State University.
"This is a deeply fearsome thing," Joiner said. "We're not wired for it; our bodies will recoil from it."
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Gee and Ness, or Gee-Gee and Nessa, were funny, outgoing and as close as sisters, said classmates at Interboro High School in Prospect Park.
Dorwart's obituary describes a teen with "a wonderful, caring personality, amazing blue eyes and a pretty smile." The second of five children, she had played youth soccer and softball and was a former Girl Scout. She would have turned 16 on Wednesday.
Gentile, whose father died a few years ago, was one of six children. The 16-year-old didn't judge her friends, always thought of others first and "was never one to worry about herself," said Patricia Roeder, a junior at Interboro.
But Gentile had been hard hit by the recent death of her boyfriend, who was killed by a car while riding his bike. And Dorwart's parents say their daughter seemed withdrawn from family events and had talked of seeing a school counselor, even as she planned her upcoming Sweet 16.
On the snowy morning of Feb. 25, police say Gentile and a friend cut class with the intention of killing themselves. They walked the two blocks to the Norwood regional rail station, where Dorwart ó who had stayed home that day ó met up with them.
As the train barreled its way south from Boston to Washington, Gentile heard the whistle and stepped on the tracks. Dorwart ran to join her, even as the third girl reneged and implored them to stop.
Text messages between Dorwart and the witness seem to confirm this was no accident, police said. The Delaware County medical examiner agreed, ruling the deaths suicides.
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But Kimberly Dorwart, Vanessa's mother, finds that hard to accept.
"I know she wanted to live," Dorwart told the Delaware County Daily Times. "I know my daughter did not leave here with the intention of being hit by a train."
The Associated Press was unable to contact the Dorwarts; Gentile's relatives have requested privacy.
About 1 percent of suicides result from pacts, most of which are between older, partnered adults who have endured a recent hardship, said Brian Daly, an assistant professor of public health at Temple University. Experts say suicide clusters ó single occurrences that happen closely together ó are more common in adolescents. Last year, the city of Palo Alto, Calif., was sent reeling by four teen suicides-by-train in less than six months. Two suicidal students from Manasquan High School in New Jersey were fatally hit by trains within two months in 2008.
Media reports that romanticize or sensationalize suicide can encourage copycats, said Dr. Paula Clayton, medical director of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. At the same time, she said, suicides should not be covered up.
"It's a fine line," Clayton said.
She noted nearly all suicides stem from underlying psychological problems such as depression. Nationwide, about 4,400 people between the ages of 10 and 24 kill themselves annually, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
ĎIt just breaks your heartí
Pat Carr, who sells train tickets at the Norwood station, is grateful she wasn't working the day of the suicides. And as the grandmother of two Interboro students, Carr was taken aback at the loss.
"It just breaks your heart, my God," Carr said Monday. "They're so young."
Later that day, teens gathered to grieve outside the ticket office at an impromptu shrine of candles, balloons, stuffed animals and flowers. Some brought homemade posters of Dorwart and Gentile, covered with photos and messages. A few feet away, Roeder sat next to a pair of crosses overlooking the tracks. She said no one will ever understand what took place that morning.
"What happened here is going to stay here," Roeder said. "You're never going to know."
As she spoke, Roeder slowly became surrounded by a group of students who began to share their feelings as well.
Then a train hammered by ó WHOOSHWHOOSHWHOOSHWHOOSH! ó and the teens fell into an uncomfortable silence.
That was like a slap in the face, said one.
No, said Roeder, that's just life moving on.
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 5th 2010, 05:40 PM

Whatever the factors that led the girls to make this fatal decision - and to a certain extent that is always going to be a matter of speculation - that is a quite horrible way to die. My thoughts and prayers are with their families and friends.

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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 5th 2010, 05:51 PM

Wow. :/
I'll honestly never understand suicide pacts- and this is coming from someone who's been suicidal a lot in the past.
I just cannot comprehend how someone could let a friend die I can't even imagine how awful the girl watching must have felt.

Regardless, this is really, really sad and I feel for the families and friends left behind.
   
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 5th 2010, 06:12 PM

I'll never understand suicide pacts. =/
What a painful way to die. I hope they didn't suffer.
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 5th 2010, 07:10 PM

I think it's so confusing why people would want to do this, especially when they're so young. It's a very sad story to read about, and my thoughts go out to their family and friends.



   
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 5th 2010, 10:38 PM

That's how my boss's son killed himself, on his father's birthday.
People don't seem to realize how selfish suicide is and the effect it has on others. If you kill yourself, you're the only person on the planet who doesn't have to deal with it. It's not fair to everyone else.
   
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 5th 2010, 10:49 PM

Wow,
That is so sad. I personally was in a suicide pact when I was around that age. We planned it out for two weeks but we all backed out because we realized how insane that was. We were so happy with our lives at that moment we never wanted anything to change so, we figured we would just die happy. I'm glad none of us ever went through with it.

Hopefully that girl will recover from what she saw. Poor thing.


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 5th 2010, 11:07 PM

I'm sure many of us here know how it feels to be suicidal..myself included.

The interesting thing about life, and the one thing that will always keep me going from here on out, is that it can change so abruptly. In the blink of an eye, things can get a million times better. Things always have a way of evening themselves out. Always.

This happened not to far from where I live. My heart goes out to their friends and family.


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 6th 2010, 12:50 AM

that's awful


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 6th 2010, 01:42 AM

Has anyone else ever read the Pact by Jodi Picoult? It's a good book about a suicide pact.

Anyway, if you're going to kill yourself, don't be selfish about it. Don't make someone else live with the guilt. There was someone driving that train. I remember reading an article in my newspaper awhile ago about some guy who used to drive trains and someone killed herself by standing on the tracks and he was so traumatized by it he had to quit his job.


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 6th 2010, 03:10 AM

I understand suicide pacts quite well, but that doesn't make it any less upsetting or shocking. I don't think we should really judge them for what they did, sometimes when you feel like there's only one way out, you take that way, you just give up. And it's really heat breaking, but it happens. I feel for the families, and for the students.


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 6th 2010, 10:05 AM

I feel terrible for the girl that saw it happen. God knows how she is coping with that memory. So sad


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 6th 2010, 05:26 PM

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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 8th 2010, 10:45 AM

Having three girls just hit by a train in my own community, well, I pray for their families.
It really is an awful way to die, and I'm glad the third girl backed out although she will have to live with this for the rest of her life.



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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 8th 2010, 11:59 AM

That is so sad. I cant even begin to imagne what the girl who backed out and the train driver is feeling right now.

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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 8th 2010, 12:51 PM

Its so selfish committing suicide, especially doing it like that where it wont only affect your family and friends, but the people who have to go pick your peices up off the track, the train driver, sometimes people on the train, people on the platform too. These didnt even know them and they'll be affected for sometime after seeing that.
   
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 8th 2010, 01:32 PM

My uncle used to work for Amtrak, and was among the group of first responders to scenes like these. Years later, a recovering addict diagnosed with PTSD, he still isn't the same. My heart goes out to everyone involved. So tragic.



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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 11th 2010, 04:22 PM

This is horrible. I can't believe people do this. Then again the world doesn't come as a shock to me anymore. That is not a great way to die at all. My dad got hit by a train and died. It's horrible on the family. The family and friends will be in my prayers. I totally understand how they are feeling.


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 11th 2010, 04:29 PM

I honestly don’t know if I believe this. This is nothing like the first story that was told. And I clicked on the link, but the article didn’t come up, so OP can you link to the article please?
In the original story, when this first happened, a few years ago I believe, the girl who got off of the tracks ran faster than the other two and they just couldn’t run fast enough to get off. And it was ruled an accidental killing not a suicide. So… yeah, there is something iffy going on for sure.




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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 11th 2010, 04:45 PM

Lizzie: Here are two other links to the same story - one from NBC Philadelphia, the other from the Associated Press via Google. The indications are that this happened very recently.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...-85538982.html

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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 11th 2010, 06:46 PM

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I honestly donít know if I believe this. This is nothing like the first story that was told. And I clicked on the link, but the article didnít come up, so OP can you link to the article please?
In the original story, when this first happened, a few years ago I believe, the girl who got off of the tracks ran faster than the other two and they just couldnít run fast enough to get off. And it was ruled an accidental killing not a suicide. SoÖ yeah, there is something iffy going on for sure.
It was the original link, but they had it moved. It's now here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35713764...mental_health/
   
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 11th 2010, 07:58 PM

I don't understand suicide pacts. I have been suicidal and have tried to kill myself twice but I could never take someone with me. Even if I had a friend or whatever who wanted to die I could not commit suicide with them.


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 14th 2010, 06:03 PM

Wow, that's horrible to hear.
As others have said I have never understood suicide pacts either.


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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 15th 2010, 06:31 PM

I think it's selfish for people to think those who kill themselves are selfish.
My good friend killed himself, I don't think he was selfish, I think he was in that much pain that he felt he had to do that to himself.
It's hypocritical to say they are selfish when nobody is thinking or even giving a damn of how much they were going through to do something so tragic to themselves just to escape from it.
That's selfish as well.

Anyway, regarding the story, I do think that these two girls were mentally ill to do this together, I hope they're at peace though.





   
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 16th 2010, 10:10 PM

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I think it's selfish for people to think those who kill themselves are selfish.
My good friend killed himself, I don't think he was selfish, I think he was in that much pain that he felt he had to do that to himself.
It's hypocritical to say they are selfish when nobody is thinking or even giving a damn of how much they were going through to do something so tragic to themselves just to escape from it.
That's selfish as well.
I think you misunderstand the definition of the word 'selfish'.

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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 16th 2010, 10:42 PM

This happened very close to me. I heard tons about it. They went to my school's rival school. I find it sort of rude that my school did not mention their deaths at all. I mean, yeah, they didn't go to our school, but it's always a sad thing with kids my own age take their lives, and the least they could have done is said something on the morning announcements. I feel horrible for their family and friends.
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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 17th 2010, 12:33 AM

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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 17th 2010, 03:04 AM

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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 17th 2010, 05:44 PM

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I think it's selfish for people to think those who kill themselves are selfish.
My good friend killed himself, I don't think he was selfish, I think he was in that much pain that he felt he had to do that to himself.
It's hypocritical to say they are selfish when nobody is thinking or even giving a damn of how much they were going through to do something so tragic to themselves just to escape from it.
That's selfish as well.
I consider suicide more of being...just weak minded. It's suggested that the two females were depressed and even if you're depressed...you're not obligated to commit suicide. I mean, these girls were pretty, so it's not because they weren't "ugly", it's not because they didn't have anybody to talk to, and I also believe that they had parents who cared about them, so the underlying question is did they really commit suicide because of depression? I believe that just because you're depressed isn't enough valid reason to commit suicide. I mean, in a way, it is kind of selfish because you feel down and you have people who care you, and you're popular in school, and you're pretty, and at the end of the day you STILL commit suicide? It's selfish to me because they committed suicide with a lot of friends, and they had a family who probably cared about them. Even the mother was devastated because she thought that her own daughter was fine, so the daughter didn't even bother to let her family know that she's depressed in the first place. And when you don't bother to TRY and get help and you just commit suicide, then I consider it weak-minded and kinda selfish.

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And it's also selfish to commit suicide in public. Now, not only are your parents going to find out that you're dead, but you've got body parts and organs all over the train track. The train dude might even quit his job because HE'S devastated after having no control over running over those two girls. How often do you hear a depressed person wanting to commit suicide saying "I really want to die right now, but my family cares about me and I have friends who support me..." Probably never! Or at least I never do. I'd be shocked!

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Re: Teen Girls Hit By Train - March 18th 2010, 10:29 AM

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