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Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 03:14 AM

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This is NOT to debate whether we should have capital punishment or not

This is a debate about what METHOD (Lethal Injection, Hanging, Gas Chamber, etc) that we should use. Just assume that we are going to use capital punishment, but what method should we use to do it? I want to hear your opinions. Do not just post "Capital punishment should be illegal" this is not about that!


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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:03 AM

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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:11 AM

To start, I do disagree with capital punishment.

But assuming its legal, I suppose its purpose would effect the method. If its 'for justice', I suppose it'd be crime dependant. But I suppose the convict should probably get a choice.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:19 AM

Gladiatorial combat! If you're going to rock the second century, you might as well do it right.


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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:25 AM

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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:32 AM

If I had to choose a method assuming it was legal, I say I would go with the cheapest and quickest one. One shot to the head. I do like the gladiatorial combat Fletcher suggested everyone gathering to watch a poor person die in the hands of beasts. Of course than the city would profit out of it because they could charge depending on the seating like going to a football game, the closer to the action the more expensive. So it would be a win situation to the government.


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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:34 AM

Upside down crucification, gas chamber (not camps mind you), oooooh for once I agree with Xujhan, gladiators!


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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:37 AM

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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 05:01 AM

Yes, Gladiators are really the way forward. I mean learnt violence obviously isnt real, unless its from TV. Real life blood sport, where you pay to go watch death would be much more healthy.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 06:41 AM

Gladiators would definitely be a great method lol. Other than that, assuming it was legal, I'd say a few bullets to the head, just to ensure that if the rare event occurs where the person lives from the 1 bullet to the head, the other bullets can hopefully rectify that. I wouldn't want the person about to be killed to choose simply because they in theory could choose a method so amoral and illegal that it wouldn't be done, in which case their decision gets ignored and someone picks a method. I'd also be willing to have it be crime-dependent where the choice for each crime is picked from a handful of pre-determined methods that would all be acceptable.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 07:50 AM

I think gladiators would be cruel and sadistic. I don't agree with capital punishment in the first place but if they were going to kill a person they might as well do it nicely. It's the least you could do.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 12:26 PM

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I think gladiators would be cruel and sadistic. I don't agree with capital punishment in the first place but if they were going to kill a person they might as well do it nicely. It's the least you could do.
I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic.
...well, most of them.

For the record I am against it, but I guess whatever was quickest and cheapest- and I honesty don't know what that would be. I don't think anyone should have prolonged suffering though, tbh.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 03:51 PM

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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 03:56 PM

How bout we put them on an island, give them guns, televise it, and the last one alive gets a pardon.

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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:00 PM

I think gladiatorial combat is reverting back a bit too far... lets once again try for sticking them in the middle town while everyone throws rotten fruit at them. Its good to humiliate them as best a possible before we 1. chop of there head and let me wiggle around for a bit, or 2. hang them and watch them wiggle around for a bit...

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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 04:07 PM

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We can call it... SUPER FUN DEATH ROW BATTLE EXTREME FUN TIME!
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 06:12 PM

I know a lot of you are turning this into a joke, but this is a real serious issue that goes on during our time. One of the arguments against capital punishment is that our current version of lethal injection is too expensive.
Quite frankly I think bringing back hanging might be a good idea, the organs stay pretty viable afterwards and they could donate them to people who really need them to live. Seeing as I am for capital punishment for serial killers, I don’t have an issue with the death penalty.




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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 06:18 PM

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I know a lot of you are turning this into a joke, but this is a real serious issue that goes on during our time. One of the arguments against capital punishment is that our current version of lethal injection is too expensive.
Quite frankly I think bringing back hanging might be a good idea, the organs stay pretty viable afterwards and they could donate them to people who really need them to live. Seeing as I am for capital punishment for serial killers, I don’t have an issue with the death penalty.
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 06:24 PM

I'm with hanging, at least something good can come out of it if their organs are suitable for donation. Failing that, gladiators.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 07:14 PM

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What does that have anything to do with American prisoners on death row volunteering to be organ donors?
Where does op say United states?


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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 07:27 PM

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Ooops, didn't read that bit. Sorry.

As for killing people nicely, I mean pretty painlessly like a lethal injection as opposed to fighting to the death in armed combat.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 07:49 PM

My favoured method of capital punishment would be death by old age or boredom. In my revolutionary new technique we would place offenders into a secure environment and feed them until they die from the ravages of time. This environment would also have guards to ensure the offenders did not escape from the Personal Real-time Infraction Solving Obstruction Neighbourhood or P.R.I.S.O.N. for short.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 08:38 PM

urm, well assuming it is legal i would say they should be killed however they killed the person who they killed. but this might be a little difficult to implement, sooo.. whatever is cheapest?


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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 16th 2010, 09:18 PM

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As for killing people nicely, I mean pretty painlessly like a lethal injection as opposed to fighting to the death in armed combat.
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 03:59 AM

So I understand that this isn't a debate on whether or not it should be legal, but I don't think that any of us should be making a joke out of capital punishment, it's far from humorous, especially to the people who are facing it, and in my opinion joking about different ways to kill people such as 'trapping them on an island and letting them shoot each other' is just... disgusting.

Anyways, I don't think anyone deserves to be put to death, especially when they are being put to death for putting someone else to death. Hypocritical, much? But I would have to say that the criminal deserves the choice of how he/she wants to die. We can't deny them that much control when we've already chosen to end their lives.





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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 04:36 AM

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That said, since I am totally opposed to capital punishment, as I know the relatives of someone who was 'put to death', I really don't have an opinion on this. It's a serious matter for sure, and joking about it takes away from the seriousness. I'm also against hanging as a method, for two reasons: one, I personally find it a bad example that someone might try, and two, it might not work. Besides that, should this really be a publicized event? Are we really going back to the old days, where you put the kids on your shoulder to let them watch a man die, and give them a doll with a string around it's neck? What kind of example are we setting for future generations if we do that? That it's okay to kill if they killed first? That's just...backwards.


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So I understand that this isn't a debate on whether or not it should be legal, but I don't think that any of us should be making a joke out of capital punishment, it's far from humorous, especially to the people who are facing it, and in my opinion joking about different ways to kill people such as 'trapping them on an island and letting them shoot each other' is just... disgusting.
I think many of us who are joking are in fact thoroughly against capital punishment. Speaking for myself; making light of horrible things helps me stay optimistic about life. I do feel for everyone who suffers from such situations, but no one gains by me being constantly depressed and upset about it.


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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 08:18 AM

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So I understand that this isn't a debate on whether or not it should be legal, but I don't think that any of us should be making a joke out of capital punishment, it's far from humorous, especially to the people who are facing it, and in my opinion joking about different ways to kill people such as 'trapping them on an island and letting them shoot each other' is just... disgusting.
Oh come off it, most of us aren't willing to carry out the jokes about capital punishment methods, the jokes are to make light of such a dark subject. In fact, almost all of us who are joking about it are opposed to it.

Suppose we adopt your views on this and become all angry and gloomy about it. How does that help when there is a discussion of any form, including this one, about capital punishment? Staying angry and depressed does no good for anyone. I'm not in favour of capital punishment by any stretch of the imagination, however, by viewing it in a more positive light, such as this one, it's easier to talk about and objectively discuss without doing what you're doing of "I don't think we should talk about it like this, it's sad, we should be sad and depressed about it". If you want to stay sad and angry about it, by all means continue.

Furthermore, telling people how they should view it just because you don't approve of the topic doesn't get anybody anywhere useful either. Few to none of us, until now, have had the odasity to tell others how they should view it, we've all been more open to discussion about it, until now. We haven't been so self-righteous until your post. It may be easier to simply frown and spit at it but no discussion can occur that way. This is a problem with such a viewpoint, although I'm not expecting yours to change at all.

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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 11:23 AM

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Do I think it's funny when people are in such situations? Of course not. The minority in this thread does and you seem to be thinking that it's the majority when it's clearly not.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. If they have done something wrong then they deserve the punishment. An eye for an eye and all. Perhaps it isn't funny for some people.

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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 02:11 PM

I am still for the gas chamber, it is extremely cheap. But cost effective is not very important if the difference is only by a few dollars, therefore I say we should behead people with a guillotine, it is painless and makes quite a disgusting mess, helping prevent further crime, the only cost really comes form the cleanup.


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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 04:28 PM

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I am still for the gas chamber, it is extremely cheap. But cost effective is not very important if the difference is only by a few dollars, therefore I say we should behead people with a guillotine, it is painless and makes quite a disgusting mess, helping prevent further crime, the only cost really comes form the cleanup.
But who's going to want to clean up that? <_<

I can't really see it being any more of a deterrent than any other method since the mess it makes probably won't be a much of a concern of theirs?
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 04:33 PM

Erm, I'd say one that's going to be the quickest, cheapest and has little chance of going wrong. I'm not sure what that would be out of lethal injection, hanging or a gas chamber though. I had a scan through the replies and I didn't see electric chair mentioned anywhere? suppose it'd be costly though.


   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 05:18 PM

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I had a scan through the replies and I didn't see electric chair mentioned anywhere? suppose it'd be costly though.
Are you kidding? I can't even do a load of laundry without it costing me an arm and a leg, never mind the cost of hydro to electrocute someone.

I say we revert to public stoning, in a closed courtyard. No chance of escape, and we could even re-use the rocks! Now that's cost effective!
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 05:58 PM

You know...we could just leave them to die of natural causes...
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 06:38 PM

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I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. If they have done something wrong then they deserve the punishment. An eye for an eye and all. Perhaps it isn't funny for some people.

Why not use them as speed bumps? Imagine the money the government could save, taxes will go down, too. Sarcasm, there's nothing like it.
Read NightOfNyx's post first then read mine, it should make perfect sense then what I mean and why I'm saying it.
   
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Re: Capital Punishment Method - March 17th 2010, 06:42 PM

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You know...we could just leave them to die of natural causes...
That would take too long, but we can take away the food and water and leave them die from starvation or dehydration.


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