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What would YOU do? - September 24th 2010, 01:48 AM

It's the year 2065, and after countless hours of moving around, participating in debates, answering questions, giving speeches, you are now the President of the United States. Assuming that 2065 was just like 2010 (as far as the economy goes and all that other shit), what issues would you tackle as President? A few things to consider before posting...

Don't tell me things like "to end world hunger and establish world peace!" Although that would be awesome, that's pretty much a given for everybody.

And don't tell me "I'd get rid of my own government because government sucks!" That's an entirely different argument which goes well with my other debate thread, here:

http://www.teenhelp.org/forums/f38-c...ment-possible/

I also feel that a lot of people are going to bring up issues like, y' know, abortion, guns, marijuana, religion, and all that other shit that already has their own debate threads going. There's more to tackle as President than just those four key issues. Really think about this! The more in-depth you get with your ideas, the more ideas people get, and the more this thread continues going!

Because this is a debate forum, I would highly suggest you provide an explanation why you would tackle those issues, and perhaps even, HOW you would tackle those issues so that people could actually debate about something rather than say "I agree with this" and say nothing else. I want everyone's opinion! I'll post mine eventually.

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Re: What would YOU do? - September 24th 2010, 05:46 PM

I love how no one touches this thread haha
   
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 24th 2010, 07:58 PM

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I love how no one touches this thread haha
Failure. I'm curious why though lol. I thought it would be an interesting thread but apparently not.
   
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 24th 2010, 10:12 PM

Well first I would round up all the dissenters and have them "reeducated". After that I would make sure to secure our borders by lazing it with barbed wire, minefields, machine gun posts, and sniper towers. I'd assign 50,000 men onto the border, at least. Anyone caught trying to sneak across would be shot, or step on a landmine. Then I would mobilize our military to a more alert state in the Middle East and use a "take no prisoners/Scorched Earth" Policy in regards to hostile forces.

The economy would get back on track naturally, but cut foreign aid to any non-useful country. That would certainly save us a lot of money, along with removing government healthcare, welfare, and any sort of "hand-out", except to those who truly deserve it.

I would start up a youth movement where inner-city kids could be properly educated, learn useful skills, and take part in a constructive group. I would call it something like "The American Youth" or maybe the "Patriot Front". Anyway, the name's not all that important.

I would make sure to institute a eugenics like policy, where people with moderate inheritable illnesses would be allowed to breed, but they would get no form of state assistance.

Every male at the age of 16 would undergo military education, with the advanced students taking more of an Officer's training style class, and the less intelligent learning more combat and field based tactics.

Women at the age of 16 would be offered free college, and acceptance would be based off of raw ability (No affirmative action junk). College would go for 4 years, and military training would be laced in with college for men. Oh yes, school starts at the age of 6, ends at 16.

People would have to apply for a license to have children, to make sure they are fit to have, raise, and care for them.

Criminals would be harshly dealt with, and anything more then simple crime (nonviolent) would most likely be met with death. Drug use, yes including marijuana, would be a serious crime and if rehabilitation didn't work they would be executed. We would use public execution, or have gladiatorial matches (good profit/fun).

I'm sure there's more I can think of.


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Re: What would YOU do? - September 25th 2010, 09:26 AM

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Failure. I'm curious why though lol. I thought it would be an interesting thread but apparently not.
Interesting to read other peoples. Too much effort to actually reply myself. Would actually require research and logical thought and far more time than I currently have to spend on an internet forum


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Re: What would YOU do? - September 25th 2010, 06:17 PM

I ignore this thread because I don't live in the USA and I have no idea what is really wrong or what I could change just from what the news tell me or what I hear, but if you would of asked the same question relating being México’s president I would have a lot of things I would change.
One thing I have noticed and would like to change from the USA is the welfare system. I think a lot of people that get it don’t really need it or are just being lazy, not all people but a lot. The people that receive welfare will be given two options:
1. Agree to work at least 49 hour week for the city they live in. Either on community service, volunteer, or just do something productive towards the city.
2. Stop receiving welfare.
That simple you either work for the money if you really want it or not get any.


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Re: What would YOU do? - September 25th 2010, 07:23 PM

I would make all forms of contraception and abortions illegal, as well as unmarried sex. (it used to be that way.) Porn would be illegal. Im sorry to homosexuals, but I would make one little place in the US to get "legal partnerships", which would allow gay couples to have sex but has less benefits compared to marriage. It wouldn't really be a marriage, but the sex would be legal for them (or else I might have to deal with riots, which are inevitable if you take things way too far. In fact, it still might.) I would tax people with over 150000 dollars and spread the money around, even though its not working for the US...
If I did manage to recover the economy, I would add more states to the union and peacefully acquire as many foreign lands as I could, plus I would give a little bit of government money to private schools that actually need it, because I went to a poor Catholic elementary school, and it sucked.
Healthcare would be provided.
This is basically a dictatorship. I realize how stupid and unrealistic it sounds to everyone else, and it will never happen, so dont put on any hardcore criticism please, because even I know this is a ridiculously uptight government. Sorry if I sounded totally homophobic, but gay marriage never appealed to me. (maybe because I'm not gay)
   
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 25th 2010, 07:57 PM

i would withdraw all funding and troops from foriegn countries i would then make the soldiers patrol the borders with the order to shoot to kill anyone trying to enter illegally. then i would make sure to seperate religion from school,court,office,etc, i would also make it so the churches are no longer exempt from being taxed. also would make it that taking any other persons life will be dealt swiftly with a hanging unless that person did it in self defense..
   
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 25th 2010, 09:10 PM

Repeal NAFTA

Outlaw Corporate Sponsorship/Involvement in elections and politics. Outlaw political mudslinging.

Term limits for everyone, all the way down to sheriffs.

Legalize and Tax Marijuana. Sell licenses to grow pot at home.

Ban workplace drug testing, but allow businesses to maintain a "sober while working" policy. Enact Drug Testing for Welfare.

Harsher penalties for military companies that abuse military funding. I.E- if we discover you spent the money we gave you to develop better body armor on cocaine coated hookers, you go to jail. If you push faulty products in order to make quick case that result in the death of US troops, you get executed.


Start taxing "religious" income.

Turn gun control into gun monitoring. Offer basic firearm and safety courses, free of charge, at local community colleges and/or military bases. Different levels of classes allow you to own certain guns. Would be gun owners must pass a test in order to get the "go stamp." Test includes basic firearm safety, storage safety, and a psychological evaluation. Must pass with a 90% (Course can be tested out of in the instance that one is already knowledgeable.) Upon successful completion, users will be given a stamp on their driver's license that they then can present to gun shop owners in order to buy weapons. Gun store owners can trace ID number to a national data-bank that would then tell store owner whether or not customer is clear to sell to.
DATABASE WILL NOT KEEP RECORDS OF GUN SALES.

States are forbidden to deny same sex marriage. Judges cannot deny marriage licenses based on sexual orientation. Churches have the right to deny hosting the ceremony in accordance with their stance on religion. Churches that welcome same sex marriage ceremonies will receive a tax break.

Women must also sign up for selective service. Pregnant women, single mothers, or mother's whose spouse is already deployed/drafted will not in turn be drafted.

Better screening for jurors. Must have a high school diploma/G.E.D. in order to serve on a jury.

Make oil a utility.

Abortion cannot be outlawed. However, health insurance/ government cannot make a person pay for another person's abortion if it violates their personal/religious/moral standings.

Begin massive hydro-pump dam/ wind turbine/ submerged turbine building project across nation. Encourage Home owners/contractors to use light colored/white roofing materials.

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Re: What would YOU do? - September 26th 2010, 12:07 AM

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Well first I would round up all the dissenters and have them "reeducated". After that I would make sure to secure our borders by lazing it with barbed wire, minefields, machine gun posts, and sniper towers. I'd assign 50,000 men onto the border, at least. Anyone caught trying to sneak across would be shot, or step on a landmine. Then I would mobilize our military to a more alert state in the Middle East and use a "take no prisoners/Scorched Earth" Policy in regards to hostile forces.

The economy would get back on track naturally, but cut foreign aid to any non-useful country. That would certainly save us a lot of money, along with removing government healthcare, welfare, and any sort of "hand-out", except to those who truly deserve it.

I would start up a youth movement where inner-city kids could be properly educated, learn useful skills, and take part in a constructive group. I would call it something like "The American Youth" or maybe the "Patriot Front". Anyway, the name's not all that important.

I would make sure to institute a eugenics like policy, where people with moderate inheritable illnesses would be allowed to breed, but they would get no form of state assistance.

Every male at the age of 16 would undergo military education, with the advanced students taking more of an Officer's training style class, and the less intelligent learning more combat and field based tactics.

Women at the age of 16 would be offered free college, and acceptance would be based off of raw ability (No affirmative action junk). College would go for 4 years, and military training would be laced in with college for men. Oh yes, school starts at the age of 6, ends at 16.

People would have to apply for a license to have children, to make sure they are fit to have, raise, and care for them.

Criminals would be harshly dealt with, and anything more then simple crime (nonviolent) would most likely be met with death. Drug use, yes including marijuana, would be a serious crime and if rehabilitation didn't work they would be executed. We would use public execution, or have gladiatorial matches (good profit/fun).

I'm sure there's more I can think of.
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 26th 2010, 11:11 PM

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Well first I would round up all the dissenters and have them "reeducated". After that I would make sure to secure our borders by lazing it with barbed wire, minefields, machine gun posts, and sniper towers. I'd assign 50,000 men onto the border, at least. Anyone caught trying to sneak across would be shot, or step on a landmine. Then I would mobilize our military to a more alert state in the Middle East and use a "take no prisoners/Scorched Earth" Policy in regards to hostile forces.

The economy would get back on track naturally, but cut foreign aid to any non-useful country. That would certainly save us a lot of money, along with removing government healthcare, welfare, and any sort of "hand-out", except to those who truly deserve it.

I would start up a youth movement where inner-city kids could be properly educated, learn useful skills, and take part in a constructive group. I would call it something like "The American Youth" or maybe the "Patriot Front". Anyway, the name's not all that important.

I would make sure to institute a eugenics like policy, where people with moderate inheritable illnesses would be allowed to breed, but they would get no form of state assistance.

Every male at the age of 16 would undergo military education, with the advanced students taking more of an Officer's training style class, and the less intelligent learning more combat and field based tactics.

Women at the age of 16 would be offered free college, and acceptance would be based off of raw ability (No affirmative action junk). College would go for 4 years, and military training would be laced in with college for men. Oh yes, school starts at the age of 6, ends at 16.

People would have to apply for a license to have children, to make sure they are fit to have, raise, and care for them.

Criminals would be harshly dealt with, and anything more then simple crime (nonviolent) would most likely be met with death. Drug use, yes including marijuana, would be a serious crime and if rehabilitation didn't work they would be executed. We would use public execution, or have gladiatorial matches (good profit/fun).

I'm sure there's more I can think of.
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I would make all forms of contraception and abortions illegal, as well as unmarried sex. (it used to be that way.) Porn would be illegal. Im sorry to homosexuals, but I would make one little place in the US to get "legal partnerships", which would allow gay couples to have sex but has less benefits compared to marriage. It wouldn't really be a marriage, but the sex would be legal for them (or else I might have to deal with riots, which are inevitable if you take things way too far. In fact, it still might.) I would tax people with over 150000 dollars and spread the money around, even though its not working for the US...
If I did manage to recover the economy, I would add more states to the union and peacefully acquire as many foreign lands as I could, plus I would give a little bit of government money to private schools that actually need it, because I went to a poor Catholic elementary school, and it sucked.
Healthcare would be provided.
This is basically a dictatorship. I realize how stupid and unrealistic it sounds to everyone else, and it will never happen, so dont put on any hardcore criticism please, because even I know this is a ridiculously uptight government. Sorry if I sounded totally homophobic, but gay marriage never appealed to me. (maybe because I'm not gay)

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Re: What would YOU do? - September 26th 2010, 11:23 PM

to start id work on setting up a new system for fines on things such as traffic tickets and small violations i think its unfare how its a flat-rate fee for every1 so it barley effects the rich while the poor suffer, instead of flat rate fines i say the each fine be a set perportion of ur last years reported income, so lets say a sppeding ticket is 1/2 of 1% the man making 15000 a year is fined $75 while the man making a million gets hit with $5000 in fines that way punishments r equal and fair to every1 and the worlds upper class will stop acting as if they are above the law.
my second order of buisness would be to stop giving tax cuts to upper class families because i dont believe the trickle down theory worksafter that i would make the use of marijuana and alchohol legall for every1 19 and older but at the same time make it so any1 caught driving under the influence is put away for 1 year no ifs ands or buts

i dunno other than the fair fines idea my world is pretty much less rules but bigger punishments if u break the few rules that r imposed


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Re: What would YOU do? - September 27th 2010, 12:07 AM

Well, I would try to do this but it's really up to Congress to pass the bills. If Congress doesn't like it, not much I can do.

I would increase the amount of doctors that could be licensed per year. If the market was flooded with doctors, then the doctors would compete for business.

I don't think I would be trying to man the border control with walls or guns. The cost would be through the roof. I would have to consult with experts as to what would be the best method to try and control it considering there is two borders so therefore a lot of land to cover (we're going to ignore the ocean borders right now.)

I would probably legalize prostitution. I wouldn't try to make guns illegal, but I really don't care about them either.

Abortion would be covered under any government-funded health insurance if there is any. I don't care if it is against the taxpayer's moral beliefs as one day the taxpayer may be needing to get assistance for some medical procedure and I am sure he or she wouldn't want the person seeking an abortion objecting to the knee surgery.


MichWolverineFreak, how would you legislate what happens in the bedroom? Cities have previously tried to do that but failed simply because of the effort. Would you do something in 1984 with the screens? Why would you legislate marriage for one group of people? What would stop you from taking it further such as regulating it for certain religions or for couples who can't have children? I will say that your idea of having a small place to let homosexuals have sex is unrealistic and still would be met with resistance. People have a reason for living where they do whether it be a job, family, friends, the location and they wouldn't or couldn't leave it for something like sex.

Also, I wouldn't bother with trying to legislate who can have how many children.
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 27th 2010, 03:58 AM

1) All religious institutes, churches and the like that don't currently pay taxes must pay taxes. They will be warned to pay them, warned a second time and the third time, it gets shut down with the respective people being forced to pay the taxes or face criminal charges of tax evasion.
2) It will be illegal to deny abortion, unless there are special medical reasons. Religious or cultural reasons for outlawing it do not count.
3) Provide more funding to mental health because currently, that's a huge area of health that's getting funds cut despite growing research and more patients.
4) All schools (public at least) must teach the theory of evolution and evolution (teaching certain religious is acceptable but not mandatory).
5) All teachers must have at least a Master's degree because it's vital to have proper education for future generations. Many teachers with Bachelor degrees often cannot answer questions that students in higher grades ask despite the answers being out there in the literature.
6) Marijuana is to be legalized and taxed. It can be used legally by people 18+ years old, which is also the legal age for drinking, smoking cigarettes and driving. All marijuana, alcohol and tobacco products are to have warning labels that are based on sound, empirical and verified research. If parts are unclear, misleading or false, that brand of cigarettes, alcohol or marijuana is to be taken off the market until it's accepted.
7) Schools are to provide sex education at grade 8 and all students are required to attend (public schools at least), unless a legitimate reason is given. That student will get the education given at a later time.
8) Homosexual marriage and other marriages including heterosexual are to be given legally and religiously. They are not to be discriminated against.
9) Parole and probation boards are to have board members be educated in the respective field and to have access to all criminal history.
10) The faint hope clause is to remain intact.
11) Criminals are not to simply receive harsher punishments but also to be rehabilitated and re-integrated with society. Programs for this are to be carried out by educated prison officers or by separate non-prison officer people and does not matter on the sentence and charge. Exceptions to this are allowed only in that certain facilities are to be designed for keeping prisoners away from society but for all prisons, the conditions are to be kept up to standards.
12) Individuals who own a non-human animal that abuse it to the point of death or serious injury are to not be allowed to own or take care of any non-human animal for a set period of time. If individuals are involved in illegal animal fighting, they are to receive the same sentence and return all profits to the government.
13) Border security is to be increased. All others are to be detained, charged and deported if they enter illegally. Individuals who sponsor or operate these illegal businesses are to be charged either in the country where the individuals were from or in the US. Any shooting is to be non-lethal/fatal, using rubber balls. Can use live rounds to stop forward procession of vehicles involving these illegal individuals. If the illegal individuals shoot back, killing or seriously injuring border agents, shoot to kill that individual with live rounds but nobody else.
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 27th 2010, 09:29 AM

i havent read all the other posts...

but my oppion is i would get rid of the white house and all that yes as president i should be highly respected but i could save heaps of money in living like a normal human being and earning my money by working hard....

the first issue i would takle is more help for kids and teenagers with mental health issues more programs out there and help to get them back into society and to make friends....

i would make stricter laws and more protection for children and young adults.....

i would takle the issue of violence and criticism or wateva the word is and not esactly world peace but stronger punishments for people that do violent acts....

i would make more youth programs and stuff for homeless people and the people who ran them could get paid although i dont say give money to homeless while alot of them still have drug and alcohol problems but give them a bed and some food....

and pay protection for people who work in communty services aka hospitals and doctors...

my reasons for this:1) as i have suffered from mental health issues and so do alot of people close to i do not think there is enough programs to help get us back into communities there is in my oppion enough help with therapy and that....

2)alot of kids teenagers and children have suffered many different types of abuse in there lifetime which leads to more community issues

3)the violence in alot of cities is very high nightclub violence neighbourhood fights gangs and everything we need to clean up the streets and people who cant behave properly and are a danger to other citizens should have stricter consequences so they dnt reaffend...

4) there is alot of homeless people on the streets which also leads to more community issues

5)after the hospital pay bungle and nurses and doctors quitting which cause alot of issues for community
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 27th 2010, 03:50 PM

Thebrokenheart, I am not entirely sure you would be respected as a president if you didn't fulfill your presidential duties and instead focus on your own career. I would personally call into question whether you have your priorities set straight. There is a reason why every president that enters the United States government leaves looking years older.

Plus getting rid of a National landmark would probably tick people off including me. The White House is tied to American history. Plus other things? Congress? You wouldn't be able to do that to begin with.

One thing that concerns me is the wave of stricter punishments. Do stricter punishments work? There's a reason why people return to prison once they have been in there. For some people, it is almost an honor to go to prison.
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Re: What would YOU do? - September 27th 2010, 04:52 PM

1) Legalize and tax marijuana to stablize economy
2) Put funding into alternative energies. Work towards swiching the American infrastucture towards more mass transit, more passenger trains, installing eletric-car charging stations at all government buildings. More tax benefits for owning and operating electric vehicles. State funding towards increased mas transit systems.
3) Local and state run healthcare systems, including tax benefits for running free or low cost healthcare clinics. Reasonable payment plans for hosiptal stays available, including no-fault partial payment plans on hospital bills exceeding $100,000
4) Cutting funding from school manditory sex education altogether. Encourage Parents to do their own damn job.
5) Legalize Gay marriage, allow gay adoption. Increase funding to Foster Care systems and allow "newborn" tax cuts for children adopted into a home from 0-16 upto three years after the adoption.
6) Manditory schooling up to highschool. High school curriculum will be brough up to date and turned around 180* . More emphesis on problem solving, critical thinking, logic, and how to produce crediable data and reserch. Focus on the process of learning will produce kids that will want to learn at their own pace. Encourage students to do research into fields themselves, and then fill in what else they need to learn about it.
7) On that same note...do something about college...make it alot easier to afford, no more sniffing around for scholarships and stuff to go to a community college.
8) Rehabilitation of Prisoners. Make them learn a skill, and apply it. Make them take and pass angry managment classes. Repeat offends however, get a standard sentense times the amount of offences. This you your second murder? 40 years for you this time...
In cases of 100% proof of murder, with no remorse or attempt of retribution, public exucution. Oh, and zero tolerence for repeated child rapist...and I have a idea on how to deal with them that is not appropiate for this forum
9)Redo the political campainge laws...double blind campainging. People will vote on the platform of a canidate, not the person themselves. Ballots will list various stands and issues a canidate wants to address, listed under a random letter or number. Then they vote for the person most qualified, not the one with the best ads.
10) To Mars or bust. Push for a global space program to futher our exploration of space to enhance our personal lives and encourage global cooperation towards a common goal.

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Re: What would YOU do? - September 28th 2010, 03:25 AM

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i havent read all the other posts...

but my oppion is i would get rid of the white house and all that yes as president i should be highly respected but i could save heaps of money in living like a normal human being and earning my money by working hard....

the first issue i would takle is more help for kids and teenagers with mental health issues more programs out there and help to get them back into society and to make friends....

i would make stricter laws and more protection for children and young adults.....

i would takle the issue of violence and criticism or wateva the word is and not esactly world peace but stronger punishments for people that do violent acts....

i would make more youth programs and stuff for homeless people and the people who ran them could get paid although i dont say give money to homeless while alot of them still have drug and alcohol problems but give them a bed and some food....

and pay protection for people who work in communty services aka hospitals and doctors...

my reasons for this:1) as i have suffered from mental health issues and so do alot of people close to i do not think there is enough programs to help get us back into communities there is in my oppion enough help with therapy and that....

2)alot of kids teenagers and children have suffered many different types of abuse in there lifetime which leads to more community issues

3)the violence in alot of cities is very high nightclub violence neighbourhood fights gangs and everything we need to clean up the streets and people who cant behave properly and are a danger to other citizens should have stricter consequences so they dnt reaffend...

4) there is alot of homeless people on the streets which also leads to more community issues

5)after the hospital pay bungle and nurses and doctors quitting which cause alot of issues for community
Some of this sounds great but the part of ditching the White House and Congress, as President you'd get booted out so fast even if people agreed with the other things you mentioned. Probably would be the shortest-existing presidency. You wouldn't be respected because it's a national monument that's recognized internationally as being a symbol of power. Terrorists may see it as an opportunity to strike and demand given the obvious disarray. I'm not American nor do I live in the USA but I would be pretty pissed off if such a thing happened.

One thing I don't agree with is stricter punishments for violent crimes. It seems that many people think this is a good idea because common-sense tells us that it would. It's like for a child, if the child takes a cookie out of the jar (or whatever else you want it to be) and gets its favourite toy taken away for 1 day, the child may not do it again. But, if the child wants the cookie more than the toy, if the child gets all toys taken away and is grounded for 2 weeks, then it may be afraid of the punishment and no longer steal cookies.

In reality, it's not like that all the time. Thousands of studies show otherwise and have stated otherwise even in making policies yet for whatever reason, they're ignored. Of course once the problem becomes immense, then people may begin listening but by then it's become almost too late.


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