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seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 08:55 PM

there's a little girl in my brother's primary school who wears fake tan. she's in year 2 or 3, so really young. my mum says it's neglect. I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but i do think it's bad parenting. anyone else got an opinion on this?


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 08:57 PM

That's sad.
She's too young to be worried about her appearance!
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 09:05 PM

It is neglect...
But she is too young to be worried about things like appearance... Really though, her mum needs to spend more time with her, and talk about things like this...
   
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 09:09 PM

I was watching Sunset Tan once, and this mother was forcing her kid to have a tan done. It was horrendous.

I wouldn't say neglect, but it's abit, strange for her to be allowed so young.
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 09:12 PM

Oh yeah... I forgot about mothers that encourage this... that's even worse. Mothers shouldn't make their children worry about appearance either =/
   
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 09:15 PM

But on this occasion we don't know if the mother's encouraging this. If she's actually forcing the child to put fake tan on then yes it's wrong but if the child's putting it on herself then it's not all the mother's fault, the child can't be watched 24 hours a day.


   
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 10:49 PM

Sounds like something off those little kids beauty pageants...does she compete? The things people will do.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 11:31 PM

Honestly, I think this is not needed. It is sending a bad image to your child. Your child is going to be constantly worrying about what he/she looks like.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 19th 2009, 11:53 PM

Well, is it bad to let children wear jewellery? Pierce their ears? Have any hairstyle other than how it looks when they wake up in the morning? Dress in anything remotely stylish? Letting a child wear fake tan isn't any worse than these things, in my opinion. You shouldn't force a child to wear it, but if it's alright to let a young child do other fashionable things (like get that awesome Hannah Montanna sweater because EVERYONE is wearing it), then what's wrong with a fake tan?


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 12:07 AM

That's sad, in my opinion. I really don't even appreciate it when people my own age and older use fake tans. What's the point? I've rather fair skin and dark contrasting hair, and I honestly see nothing wrong with it. Though I cannot help but laugh when the body building man walks out of the gym glimmering like an oompa loompa or the girls at school and their orange faces.

Back on topic... not good whether it's the parents forcing her or her own choice. Parents forcing is quite messed up. How psychotic can a woman be to do that? And as for a superficial seven year old, well that's just a recipe for trouble in the future. She should be having a fun childhood, worry about appearence later in life!


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 12:12 AM

This is unlike other things perceived as fashionable, because there are long-term health risks associated with fake tans. Therefore it is neglect, because a 7-year-old is unlikely to possess a full understanding of the downside.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 12:14 AM

For children, sometimes appareance based things ARE fun. Lots of little girls like playing dress up and putting on hideous makeup. It's not necessarily that they're worried about their appearance, but just that they find it fun.

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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 12:16 AM

I wouldn't call it neglect, but I think it's awful. Why can't people just let kids be kids? It makes me so angry to see Mothers plaster their kids in make up or let them wear heels. I dunno...I used to wear jellies when I was little. Those were the good old days.




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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 12:49 AM

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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 01:03 AM

I wouldn't call it neglect but I do think it could be classified as bad parenting. Some parents, though, just want their children to feel good about themselves so she might not be doing this in a vicious way. But I do think she should sit down and talk to her child.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 01:13 AM

To me, it would depend on if it was something that she just got ahold of without her parents knowing or if her parents allowed her to do it. I had tanning lotion when I was younger, maybe 11 or so. I don't think it's a really big deal, to be honest. There aren't really harmful effects. It's not really necessary for a child to have a tan, but it's not something to be really worried about either as long as the mom isn't taking her child to get spray on tans or taking her to the tanning bed.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 01:58 AM

If her parents consented to her doing this, that would absolutely boil my blood. Let the girl be a child for goodness sake, don't go promoting her towards fake tanner and all of that. To me, that is ultimately setting her up to start questioning her self esteem and beauty from the get go, and at SEVEN.

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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 02:04 AM

Fake tans look bad on everyone. Most people end up being orange. Why can't everyone just be happy with how they look? It doesn't matter what colour your skin is, especially because if somehow you don't end up orange, a blonde with quite dark skin looks pretty strange.
   
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 03:45 AM

Is the girl in fashion shows, modelling, beauty pageants?
Most young girls who are in beauty pageants end up in fake tan. It's stupid, imo.
   
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 07:30 AM

What's wrong with this? She's just having fun with her appearance, are we going to call putting on sparkly glitter make-up, like children do, abuse next? Because it's sort of the same thing. Sparkly glitter make up is about as harmful as spray on tan.

I assume it's not done on a tanning bed, because you don't say that someone "uses fake tan" if they do it on a bed. You can only "use fake tan" out of a bottle or spray can, otherwise you "get a fake tan" instead. However, if I'm wrong then I change my opinion, tanning beds are stupid and should never be used, especially at that age and if her parents are forcing her to do the tanning as well that will also change my opinion.
   
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 07:37 AM

So what? It's fake tan. If she wants to have a tan or her parents want her to, then let her. I don't think it's neglect, probably copying what her sister or mother does. I agree, I assumed it was the bottled tan not a tanning bed. Actually, is there an age requirement for tanning beds?
   
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 03:58 PM

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No, but I am still concerned that it could promote the use of a tanning bed at a later age by instilling the belief that fake tan is good.


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No, but I am still concerned that it could promote the use of a tanning bed at a later age by instilling the belief that fake tan is good.
If the person later on in life wants to use more spray tan or tanning beds, then why not let them? They're not harming others doing so.
   
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 07:49 PM

I'm not at all surprised, soon we'll be seeing fake tanned toddlers. This world is so fake


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 07:52 PM

im pretty sure most countries/tanning salons have legal tanning bed age limits so i doubt it was a tanning bed.

and as someone above me said, the wording is all wrong if it were a tanning bed.

i think it's a bit silly be we don't know why she had it on. it mightve been her sisters wedding and she wanted to get her tan done with her big sister, because she was getting it. you know how little kids love to look up to their older sisters

it might have only been that dove and johnsons moisterising lostion that gradually tans, and it might have been her mums or sisters she just has been using because they ran out of moisteriser at home

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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 20th 2009, 07:56 PM

I have to agree with Jack on this one. So what? We put four year old girls in dresses because it's cute, encourage them not to spill on their clothes and to comb their hair. Is it dumb? Yes. Neglect/anything else? No way.



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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 04:24 AM

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If the person later on in life wants to use more spray tan or tanning beds, then why not let them? They're not harming others doing so.
Just let people commit suicide. They're not harming others in doing so!

So that's a bit of a stretch, but same basic message. Tanning beds are very harmful to one's health. For the sake of supreficial appearence? What has the world come tO!


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 04:28 AM

I would be a little surprised if the child actually used a tanning bed. I imagine it was a spray on tan - which is still kind of superficial in the long run. But not harmful to my knowledge.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 05:13 AM

I also would be incredibly shocked if it turned out that a tanning salon actually let a 7 year old use a tanning bed. I'm highly doubtful that a bed is the type of fake tan we're talking about here.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 05:20 AM

It's not neglect... Not in my opinion anyway.

The thing I see that's the problem with it, is that we're turning artificial enough day by day to have 7 year olds wanting/getting fake tans. As long as it wasn't forced upon her though, it's okay.



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What's wrong with this? She's just having fun with her appearance, are we going to call putting on sparkly glitter make-up, like children do, abuse next? Because it's sort of the same thing. Sparkly glitter make up is about as harmful as spray on tan.
I don't agree with young girls in sparkly glitter makeup either. I was allowed play makeup when I was younger (around 10) and it was only to be worn for school dance occasions, not even if I was just at home. When I was 13, I got my first real makeup and was allowed to wear it whenever I liked. My sister was allowed to wear real makeup to school at around 11, which I strongly did not approve of. Children that young don't need makeup.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 06:35 PM

Thank goodness this is illegal in California. We have a law against this:

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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 07:58 PM

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I don't agree with young girls in sparkly glitter makeup either. I was allowed play makeup when I was younger (around 10) and it was only to be worn for school dance occasions, not even if I was just at home. When I was 13, I got my first real makeup and was allowed to wear it whenever I liked. My sister was allowed to wear real makeup to school at around 11, which I strongly did not approve of. Children that young don't need makeup.
They don't need make-up but I'm sure it's fun and nice to have. I don't need this delicious lemon fanta I'm drinking either, but I am very glad I have it. I don't think that saying "you don't need that" is a valid arguement for denying someone something, why not just live "each according to his needs" in a marxist state if that's the idea?

Sure, superficiality is not something to be encouraged at any age, but I doubt that's what it is here. It's just a kid thinking it's fun to put on make-up (in this case fake tan) and take pride in their appearance.

Just allow kids some fun.
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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 08:10 PM

I think it's hypocritical that some methods of altering appearance are bad, whereas others are expected. If she's wearing tanning lotion, it's the root of all evil. What if we put her in a dress? Give her pretty shoes? Or a toy necklace, would giving her one of those constitute abuse? Should we never, ever brush a child's hair because it might be making them focus too much on appearance?


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 08:11 PM

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They don't need make-up but I'm sure it's fun and nice to have. I don't need this delicious lemon fanta I'm drinking either, but I am very glad I have it. I don't think that saying "you don't need that" is a valid arguement for denying someone something, why not just live "each according to his needs" in a marxist state if that's the idea?

Sure, superficiality is not something to be encouraged at any age, but I doubt that's what it is here. It's just a kid thinking it's fun to put on make-up (in this case fake tan) and take pride in their appearance.

Just allow kids some fun.
And again, I highly doubt the girl is using a tanning bed due to the wording of the original post.
But think about what sort of image that the makeup is sending the child? If you don't put this on, then you aren't pretty. I'm always surprised at how many of my friends feel that if they don't have on makeup then they are ugly. They started wearing makeup long before I did. Part of the reason I got makeup when I did was so I would fit in with the other children, according to my mother. I enjoyed every bit of being different, but she wouldn't have it. I wonder what the correlation between wearing makeup young and doing things like tanning is to body issues when the children are older.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 08:17 PM

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But think about what sort of image that the makeup is sending the child? If you don't put this on, then you aren't pretty. I'm always surprised at how many of my friends feel that if they don't have on makeup then they are ugly. They started wearing makeup long before I did. Part of the reason I got makeup when I did was so I would fit in with the other children, according to my mother. I enjoyed every bit of being different, but she wouldn't have it. I wonder what the correlation between wearing makeup young and doing things like tanning is to body issues when the children are older.
Ok, then should we be able to brush a child's hair? Because the minute you put any kind of tie or clip in a girl's hair, you're telling her they aren't pretty enough as they are.

I played with makeup all the time. Not because my mother gave it to me and said "Here, go put this on - you don't look pretty enough without it." I just liked playing with nailpolish and makeup, just like I liked playing in the mud. And as to self esteem, I'm possibly the most arrogant person you could meet lol.

If you can find us statistics and studies showing that little girls who play with makeup have more self esteem issues, great. But you noticing that your friends wore makeup earlier than you did, and also happening to notice that they have low self esteem, does not prove a correlation between the two.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 08:19 PM

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Ok, then should we be able to brush a child's hair? Because the minute you put any kind of tie or clip in a girl's hair, you're telling her they aren't pretty enough as they are.
Should we allow a child to have matted, nasty hair that is unclean? I think that would be abusive. I'm sure you've seen dogs with hair that has been horribly matted on the internet or TV. Well, if you don't care for your dog's hair then it is abuse. You are causing the animal suffering, especially because things like feces can become stuck in the hair. Why should you let a child suffer with nasty, matted hair? When it all boils down to it, you shouldn't.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 08:23 PM

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Should we allow a child to have matted, nasty hair that is unclean? I think that would be abusive. I'm sure you've seen dogs with hair that has been horribly matted on the internet or TV. Well, if you don't care for your dog's hair then it is abuse. You are causing the animal suffering, especially because things like feces can become stuck in the hair. Why should you let a child suffer with nasty, matted hair? When it all boils down to it, you shouldn't.
OK, so we'll wash the child's hair, so that it can be clean. But brushing hair is in no way necessary to promoting good health - like you said, people just find unbrushed hair nasty. So from here on out, if you take a comb to a child's head, you are telling them they don't look good enough as they are.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 08:25 PM

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OK, so we'll wash the child's hair, so that it can be clean. But brushing hair is in no way necessary to promoting good health - like you said, people just find unbrushed hair nasty. So from here on out, if you take a comb to a child's head, you are telling them they don't look good enough as they are.
I disagree with that. I can't wash my hair properly if I don't brush it. To me, this is a part of a cleanliness routine. Sure, you can bathe your kids and make them look presentable but do you honestly need to tan them and put on glittery eye makeup? They have the rest of their lives to do that.


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Re: seven year old in fake tan - February 21st 2009, 08:37 PM

Who says the mother is the one feeling the need to tan their child? Who says the child themself isn't the driving force behind it?

I've seen kids break into their mothers make up boxes and go crazy with it for fun and I've seen kids going "mummy mummy mummy what's that you're putting on? Mummy mummy mummy I want some too mummy! MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMY MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMY! Let me have some MUUUUUUUUMMY". Maybe the mother just gave into that sort of pressure?
   
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