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If You Had IVF - October 20th 2010, 01:04 PM

If you and your partner decided for have IVF treatment for some reason or other, would you have your embryos screened?

I think I would, just so I could see whether or not there is a risk it would have a genetic disease or something similar.
   
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Re: If You Had IVF - October 20th 2010, 02:05 PM

No, because of the movie Gattaca. Lol
   
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Re: If You Had IVF - October 20th 2010, 02:21 PM

I do not know if I would if I personally decided to have IVF. It would definitely be something that I talk to my future husband about.

I personally think that the only reason to screen the embryos would be to check for genetic diseases or things that could harm my child's life in the long run. However, seeing as how I do not know of any of these diseases right now in my bfs family or mine, I wouldn't see a point to have them checked.

As for 'designer babies' I wouldn't want to chose anything about my child. I think that half the fun is the surprise and not knowing. I mean, we already know what gender they are going to be (Which I will definitely find out because I wouldn't be able to stand not knowing. xD) why should we ruin the surprise even more by knowing exactly what they'd look like?

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Re: If You Had IVF - October 20th 2010, 03:31 PM

Would you rather be surprised or have your child stuck with a trait that you do not want? I know my mother would replace me anytime with a child that is taller.


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 20th 2010, 06:15 PM

I would have them screened because I carry the cystic fibrosis gene and would not want to put any one through the full blown disease.


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 20th 2010, 06:18 PM

I would have them screened so that if they had any genetic diseases, I'd be able to prepare myself so that I'd be able to be the best parent I could be.


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 20th 2010, 06:34 PM

Yes because if on the off-chance my genetic testing was wrong (had two tests, one positive, on negative) and it turned out it would be a male with Duchenne, I would terminate. That would be the only thing I would screen for.
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Re: If You Had IVF - October 22nd 2010, 01:15 AM

Depends on exactly what traits they were testing for. Tay-sachs I would screen or fragile X (not that they run in my family.)
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Re: If You Had IVF - October 22nd 2010, 07:03 AM

In my opinion everyone should have their genes checked, and only some should be allowed to reproduce.


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 22nd 2010, 09:46 AM

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In my opinion everyone should have their genes checked, and only some should be allowed to reproduce.
I dont agree with this, since screening will get out hand and people will abort for the tiniest of things.

I am only screening for one thing since I am planning on getting screened for that anyway, In vitro or not.
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Re: If You Had IVF - October 22nd 2010, 06:25 PM

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In my opinion everyone should have their genes checked, and only some should be allowed to reproduce.
Which some?
So if someone carry's a gene for a disease then they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce because they pass on the gene?


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 24th 2010, 05:50 PM

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In my opinion everyone should have their genes checked, and only some should be allowed to reproduce.
I find this extremely offensive.
Basically (it feels like) your saying that since I have Neurofibromatosis that I shouldn't be able to have children.

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Re: If You Had IVF - October 25th 2010, 04:16 PM

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I find this extremely offensive.
Basically (it feels like) your saying that since I have Neurofibromatosis that I shouldn't be able to have children.

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Sweeite, it's saying that anyone who doesn't conform to one particular group of people's idea of perfect shouldn't be allowed to have children. Sounds suspiciously Nazi-esque to me.


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 26th 2010, 08:07 AM

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I dont agree with this, since screening will get out hand and people will abort for the tiniest of things.

I am only screening for one thing since I am planning on getting screened for that anyway, In vitro or not.
Ohh no, screening is not for the child specifically, we don't punish a child for a random error in the genes, such as randomly being autistic, with no reason. That would be unfair. What we do not allow is carelessness/irresponsibility, if you have a hereditary disease for let's say, some form of severe mental illness (and you would know because we would screen everyone at birth), you may not have children (dictated by my flow-chart below), but if you just get unlucky and randomly have an, error shall we say, there is no reason for punishment/abortion.

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So if someone carry's a gene for a disease then they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce because they pass on the gene?
Depends on what it is, see my little flow-chart below.

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Sweeite, it's saying that anyone who doesn't conform to one particular group of people's idea of perfect shouldn't be allowed to have children. Sounds suspiciously Nazi-esque to me.
There's a different between conforming to perfection, and not being a burden to society.

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Basically (it feels like) your saying that since I have Neurofibromatosis that I shouldn't be able to have children.

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I would say a good quota for what should or should not qualify would be, meeting all these conditions.
  • Do you have any hereditary problems?
  • If yes, is there a good chance that they will be inherited?
  • If yes, then is the problem severe?
  • If yes, is it severe enough where a person with it would be a burden to the state (unable to care for self/large economic burden)?
  • If yes, then do you have enough excess capital to treat/care for them for their entire lives?
  • If no, then sorry, you may not have a child.
  • If yes, then go ahead, but expect no help from the state.

All I want to do is improve the overall genetic quality of the human race, sure some people may be excluded, but being alive should be a privilege, not a right, you should have to justify your existence in the world, and show that you will not be a drain on society. It makes the world better for the many, and as any person who believes in democracy would say, "The needs of the many outweigh the desires of the few" believed to have been originally said by one of the greatest democratic philosophers ever, Aristotle.

A few other great quotes,

"I don’t want to punish anybody. But there are an extraordinary number of people whom I want to kill. I think it would be a good thing to make everybody come before a properly-appointed board, just as they might come before the income tax commissioner, and say every five years, or every seven years, just put them there, and say, “Sir, or madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence?”

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Re: If You Had IVF - October 27th 2010, 02:04 AM

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Ohh no, screening is not for the child specifically, we don't punish a child for a random error in the genes, such as randomly being autistic, with no reason. That would be unfair. What we do not allow is carelessness/irresponsibility, if you have a hereditary disease for let's say, some form of severe mental illness (and you would know because we would screen everyone at birth), you may not have children (dictated by my flow-chart below), but if you just get unlucky and randomly have an, error shall we say, there is no reason for punishment/abortion.



Depends on what it is, see my little flow-chart below.



There's a different between conforming to perfection, and not being a burden to society.



I would say a good quota for what should or should not qualify would be, meeting all these conditions.
  • Do you have any hereditary problems?
  • If yes, is there a good chance that they will be inherited?
  • If yes, then is the problem severe?
  • If yes, is it severe enough where a person with it would be a burden to the state (unable to care for self/large economic burden)?
  • If yes, then do you have enough excess capital to treat/care for them for their entire lives?
  • If no, then sorry, you may not have a child.
  • If yes, then go ahead, but expect no help from the state.
All I want to do is improve the overall genetic quality of the human race, sure some people may be excluded, but being alive should be a privilege, not a right, you should have to justify your existence in the world, and show that you will not be a drain on society. It makes the world better for the many, and as any person who believes in democracy would say, "The needs of the many outweigh the desires of the few" believed to have been originally said by one of the greatest democratic philosophers ever, Aristotle.

A few other great quotes,

"I don’t want to punish anybody. But there are an extraordinary number of people whom I want to kill. I think it would be a good thing to make everybody come before a properly-appointed board, just as they might come before the income tax commissioner, and say every five years, or every seven years, just put them there, and say, “Sir, or madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence?”

If you’re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the big organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to yourself." - George Bernard Shaw
Sinse you like Eugenics so much did you know Obama's Science advisor was a co author of a book who wanted forced abortions and sterilization?in serious discussion Hitler's dead move on.


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 27th 2010, 05:24 PM

I would definitely want them screened for possible diseases, but the other stuff wouldn't be important to know (could be interesting though).


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 28th 2010, 08:15 AM

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Ohh the dreaded Hitler comeback, might aswell close the thread then, Godwin's law strikes again.


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Re: If You Had IVF - October 28th 2010, 07:16 PM

yeah i probably would. if you have the chance i don't see why you wouldn't. either to consider termination or prepare yourself for caring for the kid.


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