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Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 02:53 PM

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NEW YORK — The widely used baldness drug finasteride (Propecia) indeed boosts hair growth in men, but some may develop sexual problems, according to a new analysis.
A review of recent research found that men with the most common form of baldness who took finasteride are more likely to experience an increase in hair count, and say they believe their hair is thicker. But approximately 1 in 80 also experience erectile dysfunction, according to the analysis published in the Archives of Dermatology.
However, men with sexual side effects were not more likely to stop taking the drug. "It seems that most men taking this drug really prefer to have hair," study author Dr. José Manuel Mella of the Hospital Alemán in Buenos Aires told Reuters Health.
Up to half of men will experience pattern hair loss - known clinically as androgenetic alopecia - by the age of 50. Finasteride works by blocking an enzyme that converts testosterone into dihydrotestosterone, the hormone responsible for hair loss.
Several studies have investigated the effectiveness of finasteride, which costs about $50 per month for a brand-name pill but less for a generic version. However, questions have remained over its potential side effects.
To help answer these questions, Mella and his team scanned the medical literature and analyzed the findings of 12 studies that included 3927 men.
They found that men taking finasteride notice a 30% improvement after two years. "Finasteride has a tendency to maintain and improve hair count over time while being on treatment," Mella said in an email. "The longer you treat, the bigger the effect."
However, finasteride did appear to increase the risk of sexual side effects, affecting 1 in 80 men taking the drug. "Patients must discuss their preferences with their doctors," the researcher advised.
Mella and his team rated most of the data included in the current study as "moderate quality," meaning the results may have been affected by factors such as bias (if funded by the sellers of finasteride, perhaps). However, any impact would be relatively minor, and the data are reliable overall, noted Mella, who did not receive any funding from the makers of finasteride to produce his paper. "Our results are probably accurate."
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Dr. Matt Leavitt, who co-authored one of the studies included in the new analysis, said he wasn't surprised by the findings, and prescribes finasteride "pretty much daily" to his patients.
Indeed, "there is an occasional patient that does describe a sexual side effect," noted Leavitt, medical director of the Advanced Dermatology & Cosmetic Surgery Clinic based in Florida and president of the Hair Foundation. But most are willing to try the drug knowing they can just stop taking it if any problems arise. "We know that it works on most patients."
As a person who has suffered with genetic baldness since I was 15, I can't really blame the guys who would take the risk of developing erectile dysfunction for hair growth. Despite genetic baldness being so common among men and women (especially men), it's hard to accept and still be confident in yourself. If you were to become genetically bald, or if you are, would you risk getting erectile dysfunction for hair growth?

Obviously this question is only directed towards men, but if you're a female with a penis...have at it.

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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 04:49 PM

I am in fact not a female with a penis, but I do have one word to offer... Viagra.


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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 05:18 PM

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I am in fact not a female with a penis, but I do have one word to offer... Viagra.
Thanks for that one obvious word, but that's not the point. Viagra dosn't cure erectile dysfunction, it treats it. Just like finasteride is a drug that treats genetic baldness. The idea is that are you willing to treat genetic baldness to risk developing erectile dysfunction, yet another problem that can be treated? So Viagra isn't really relevant, but thanks for posting.
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 05:21 PM

It is relevant, actually. The point is, yeah you might end up with erectile dysfunction, but that's treatable. So you're not sacrificing anything, really, just changing how things are going to work.
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 05:54 PM

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It is relevant, actually. The point is, yeah you might end up with erectile dysfunction, but that's treatable. So you're not sacrificing anything, really, just changing how things are going to work.

Exactly, thank you. If you are willing to treat the baldness, then you are probably willing to treat the ED. Its win/win.

If you don't wanna be bald or have ED, get a hair piece.


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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 05:56 PM

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It is relevant, actually. The point is, yeah you might end up with erectile dysfunction, but that's treatable. So you're not sacrificing anything, really, just changing how things are going to work.
I didn't intend on making this a debate...but hell, I'm not gonna back down!

What do you mean you're not sacrificing anything? That's like saying that cutting your arm off isn't going to sacrifice anything when you can just get a prosthetic arm. Yeah, it allows to do basic things, but you've still lost your arm. You can't do everything with a prosthetic arm. Just like Viagra...yeah, it allows you to do basic things, but the point is that you have a dependency on it and can't do everything that you once did before you had erectile dysfunction. You're sacrificing more than you think. What if you've lost the ability to get pregnant? Yeah, you could adopt a child, or have someone else carry the father's DNA, and a child is a child, but a child isn't the same child that came out of you. Do women not look at that as a sacrifice?
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 06:01 PM

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Exactly, thank you. If you are willing to treat the baldness, then you are probably willing to treat the ED. Its win/win.

If you don't wanna be bald or have ED, get a hair piece.
And this is why this thread is directed towards men. I don't expect you to understand. This is the equivalent of a guy telling you to stop complaining about your periods and get birth control.
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 06:02 PM

Well I suppose the guy would have a couple options.

1. Take the drug and hope he doesn't get ED. There is a possibility that he wouldn't. If he does get ED, then he could take Viagra.

2. Wear a hairpiece and risk no chance of getting ED.

3. Go bald and ED free.

I wouldn't really blame a guy for risking ED though simply because it's treatable. I couldn't imagine not having hair so I can see why a guy would to treat baldness.
And once they got hair and stopped taking the drug, wouldn't the ED go away? Or do they have to take the drug forever?
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 06:03 PM

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And this is why this thread is directed towards men. I don't expect you to understand. This is the equivalent of a guy telling you to stop complaining about your periods and get birth control.
Then I shall kindly remove myself from this thread.

Like you said, just stating the obvious. That there are options out there besides just living with ED or living with baldness.

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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 06:11 PM

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Well I suppose the guy would have a couple options.

1. Take the drug and hope he doesn't get ED. There is a possibility that he wouldn't. If he does get ED, then he could take Viagra.

2. Wear a hairpiece and risk no chance of getting ED.

3. Go bald and ED free.

I wouldn't really blame a guy for risking ED though simply because it's treatable. I couldn't imagine not having hair so I can see why a guy would to treat baldness.
And once they got hair and stopped taking the drug, wouldn't the ED go away? Or do they have to take the drug forever?
The way I see it, I'd rather get ED naturally rather than from a drug that I took to solve one problem. It's like...running over your cat, but putting the body under your bed. Yeah, you mourned the cat and removed him from the driveway, but now you got the dead cat under your bed and it's gonna stink up something fierce.

As far as I know, if you stop taking the drug, your risk of ED will decrease, but your hair will go back to growing bald. Since there isn't a cure for genetic baldness (I'm not sure about Bosley though...but that's VERY expensive), you'd probably have to take the medication for the rest of your life. 50 bucks a month really adds up, and if you developed erectile dysfunction...that's just even MORE money.
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 06:23 PM

everyone goes bald its a part of life learn to live with it in my eyes.... i personaly am not not gonna risk "buck" operating at full potential just so i can grow a little hair...
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 21st 2010, 06:27 PM

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The way I see it, I'd rather get ED naturally rather than from a drug that I took to solve one problem. It's like...running over your cat, but putting the body under your bed. Yeah, you mourned the cat and removed him from the driveway, but now you got the dead cat under your bed and it's gonna stink up something fierce.

As far as I know, if you stop taking the drug, your risk of ED will decrease, but your hair will go back to growing bald. Since there isn't a cure for genetic baldness (I'm not sure about Bosley though...but that's VERY expensive), you'd probably have to take the medication for the rest of your life. 50 bucks a month really adds up, and if you developed erectile dysfunction...that's just even MORE money.
Lol at the analogy. But yeah, I guess the question would be "How much is a man willing to sacrifice for hair?"

Well that kind of blows then. You told me about Bosley once and yeah it is expensive. Maybe over the next decade or so, they will create a better, cheaper produce for hair.
I guess if a guy is really rich, he could afford the drug and the ED or he could use Bosley.


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everyone goes bald its a part of life learn to live with it in my eyes.... i personaly am not not gonna risk "buck" operating at full potential just so i can grow a little hair...
Not everyone goes bald lol. My dad's dad didn't go bald, my dad's brothers haven't gone bald, and my dad isn't bald. I work in a nursing home and there are plenty of non-bald men.

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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 23rd 2010, 10:28 AM

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Not everyone goes bald lol. My dad's dad didn't go bald, my dad's brothers haven't gone bald, and my dad isn't bald. I work in a nursing home and there are plenty of non-bald men.
people go bald at some point in there life be it 14-80..... hair things and falls out...... but you obviously missed what i was trying to say like usual....:rollseyes:
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 23rd 2010, 02:29 PM

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people go bald at some point in there life be it 14-80..... hair things and falls out...... but you obviously missed what i was trying to say like usual....:rollseyes:
Well, then there are some old men in the nursing home still waiting for their hair to thin.
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 23rd 2010, 04:13 PM

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Well, then there are some old men in the nursing home still waiting for their hair to thin.

i meant to say thin not thing sorry... had jsut woke up and hadnt had my morning coffee...

ok how about most men...
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 23rd 2010, 04:17 PM

I think I'd just shave my head, bulk up a little more, and go for the Bruce Willis look. A 30% improvement over two years would still leave me looking as if I'm balding. I obviously wouldn't be overjoyed: I have longish hair, and I like it that way. But between hair loss and erectile dysfunction, I'll take the hair loss.
   
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Re: Which would you sacrifice? - October 25th 2010, 09:59 PM



This man was bald AND still got the ladies...

I choose bald :P


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