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No, I have no problem with the scanners. 29 65.91%
No, I wouldn't want to go through the enhanced pat down. 4 9.09%
Yes, I would. 3 6.82%
I don't know! 8 18.18%
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Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 5th 2010, 02:38 AM

So I've seen a lot about this in the news lately, and it's starting to really bother me since I'll be flying out of the country in a few months. I know for a fact that I am not comfortable with going through one of the new machines, but now with the "enhanced pat downs" I'm not sure which I'd rather suffer through. Honestly, if a security guard tries to run the back of their hand over my chest or genitals, I'm screaming rape, regardless of whether or not they're "just doing their job." I'm not going to be treated like a common criminal and I'm not going to be fondled just because I want to fly to another country to do volunteer work.

Anyway, that's my little rant. I'll link to some articles so you can read them over and share your opinion.

http://www.elliott.org/blog/when-wil...ome-mandatory/
http://www.elliott.org/the-navigator...me-at-a-price/
this is a good one--> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html
http://www.jaunted.com/story/2010/10...sthand+Account+
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/airpo...-scanners.html
http://www.elliott.org/blog/tsa-enha...coming-oct-31/


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 5th 2010, 03:45 AM

I see the point of these, but I will tell how I feel on either one.

Body scanners- At first, I didn't think I would have a problem with them, but then I read the links you provided. Those scans are way too revealing and the fact that they have been keeping them is so incredibly wrong. I do NOT want someone keeping a scan of my body. I am also not going to allow myself to be exposed to that kind of radiation.

Patdowns- I don't feel quite comfortable with the idea of this. I don't favor being touched by some random security guard especially regarding private areas. That is simply crazy.

However, considering the health risks of the Body Scanners, I will choose the Patdown. Also, I would rather be touched than have a nude photo of me saved.
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 5th 2010, 09:56 AM

I'm not concerned about the full-body scanners because to me, it's better than having a person patting me down. It's going to show in detail otherwise it's useless for functioning as a security measure. I'm not bothered by them storing an image of my scan because it's not going around public, being sold to someone or anything like that. Besides, from looking at the images of them, they're not in so much detail I'd be uncomfortable with. Patdowns I'm not a fan of as I've had them at airport security because back when they used the magnetometers, they constantly went off at my legs even though there's no metal there, so I got patted down. I wasn't as fond of it so I'd take the full-body scanners but if a pat-down is required, then so be it. I think making a fuss over it just makes it longer until you'd get on board the plane or may even miss it, especially if the guard goes for a pat-down and someone screams they're being assaulted. It takes not that long and the smoother you go, the smoother it is to get on board.

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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 5th 2010, 01:53 PM

I'd let them pat me down
Jokes aside, I really don't see why people have such a problem with these, but 'Ergh, change' comes to mind. The images are hardly pornography, it's just the latest thing to bitch about =/
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 5th 2010, 02:00 PM

I don't think the images are like nude photos. They're more like outlines, scans and in some ways, an x-ray. It's not like a naked photo of you. I know the body scans might be a bit much. But I'd rather go through all that than be blown up on a plane, let's be honest.

It's all about keeping everyone safe, and with all the terrorist attacks within the last 10 years, I think this sort of security should be upped because I'd rather be checked and searched than risk losing my life because of some idiots religious ideas.

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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 5th 2010, 08:30 PM

I still prefer the scanners because it will make everything faster. Instead of waiting for everyone to get their shoes off and jackets etc. just go to the scanner and go on with your life. They should get some of those scanners here in México the security is not that good here in the airplanes, someone can easily get on board with a knife and scissors.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 5th 2010, 09:41 PM

You arent going to get radiation from going through the machines. Unless you go through them every single hour of every day. I get x-rays taken all the time, every year.

Anyways, I am perfectly fine with the body scanners. I could care less if they keep them. Just make me safe to go on the plane, that is all I ask for.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 5th 2010, 10:56 PM

i don't have a problem with body scanners or any other sort of security measure at airports. don't really understand why anyone does.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 6th 2010, 02:31 AM

I have no objections to either. If you object you should not be allowed to fly. A little bit of uncomfortableness is worth safety... sounds harsh but get over it.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 6th 2010, 11:50 PM

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I have no objections to either. If you object you should not be allowed to fly. A little bit of uncomfortableness is worth safety... sounds harsh but get over it.
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You do not get any powerful radiation from these machines in any case. At most, about as much as you get from looking at a laptop screen. It's absolutely minimal.
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 6th 2010, 11:56 PM

I am really against body scanners. That is way too invasive. If you really wanted to get a weapon on a plane you could. I can't believe that people actually support this kind of privacy invasion. Having a nude photo taken or being molested just to get on a plane? Really? It's not like airport security is very effective. It just gives the illusion of safety.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 12:01 AM

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I am really against body scanners. That is way too invasive. If you really wanted to get a weapon on a plane you could. I can't believe that people actually support this kind of privacy invasion. Having a nude photo taken or being molested just to get on a plane? Really? It's not like airport security is very effective. It just gives the illusion of safety.
Molested? Nude photo taken? You make it sound worse than it is. it's not like they save all the photos, hand it out to the staff, and then let them wank over them. And molested? You make it sound like every security guy there is a pedophile or something. You obviously don't realise how easy it is as a woman to get that security guy in jail for being a rapist.

They are actually doing because it's their job. It's not like they see the job advertised as "6 hours a day, grope women's boobs at airport security! High pay!".

If I was an airport security person, and you came up to me and said that you refused to go through the scanner or be searched, I'd have you taken to a waiting room so that we can check that you don't have weapons/drugs on you. Oh yeah, and I wouldn't let you on the plane because you're endangering everybody's safety.
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 12:20 AM

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I am really against body scanners. That is way too invasive. If you really wanted to get a weapon on a plane you could. I can't believe that people actually support this kind of privacy invasion. Having a nude photo taken or being molested just to get on a plane? Really? It's not like airport security is very effective. It just gives the illusion of safety.


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If I was an airport security person, and you came up to me and said that you refused to go through the scanner or be searched, I'd have you taken to a waiting room so that we can check that you don't have weapons/drugs on you. Oh yeah, and I wouldn't let you on the plane because you're endangering everybody's safety.


No need for security people to be such douche bags and abuse their job. If a person opts to go through the scanner then they get padded down and life goes on, why would you purposely not let them go to their flight?


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 12:22 AM

I do not have any objection to using full body scanners. At most, it is an outline of your body, not a nude photo. It speeds up lines at security significantly, and if you're late for a flight, it might just be the amount of time that determines whether you're on that plane or not.

Also a pat-down is hardly like being molested. I'll bet that the security staff hate doing it too.

My only concern is that it does not add as much safety as we might think it does. The person watching the images going past will be seeing several hundred of them going past every hour, and it would be quite easy to miss a suspicious image as concentration wavers, since they are only human.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 12:22 AM

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No need for security people to be such douche bags and abuse their job. If a person opts to go through the scanner then they get padded down and life goes on, why would you purposely not let them go to their flight?
You read wrong. I mean that if a passenger refuses to take one of the two tests, I would refuse to allow them onto the plane.
   
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I do not have any objection to full-body scans. In my opinion, it is hardly a nude photo. It is more like an x-ray than anything, a mere outline of your body. They are not distributing these images publicly either, so it's not like anyone will see it aside from those in the appointed position. The radiation, as stated, should also not have any adverse effects on you unless you are exposed to it continually.

As for the pat downs, they don't bother me. People allow themselves to be examined by physicians every year for their own personal health and well-being. Nobody screams bloody murder then. I see this as being similar. It's precautionary. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to be honest. If people did not try to smuggle weapons onto planes, we would not have to have these procedures. But we do need them, and if they catch more terrorists this way, I'm all for it. I'd rather this than their allowing unsearched passengers onto the airlines.

To accuse the security guards of molestation would be frivolous in my eyes. These people are there to protect you. They are not touching you sexually. I'm sure they are not overly fond of the idea either. But they have to ensure the safety of their passengers somehow, so it's either a pat down or a full body scan. The goal is to make traveling on the planes as safe as possible.

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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 06:25 AM

I have nothing against the scanners. When I went into a state building, the metal detector goes off,and it was rather annoying.The scanners, at least at the airport, will make things easier and faster. I mean, think of it this way: if you have a metal plate in some part of your body, and you have to get patted down because you make the wands go off every single time, and then they find nothing and get aggravated, the scanners save you the time and hassle.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 07:47 AM

This is treading thin water. It is kind of an invasion of privacy because airports already have access to so much of your information already. However, because of the fact that they're treading thin water...I'm sure that one slip-up on their part could lead to multiple lawsuits. I'm sure that they would do their best to prevent those lawsuits from happening and would therefore keep your information completely confidential. It's not THAT detailed, but it is detailed enough for the person who has access to the screen could be like "that man has a big penis" or or something (I think? The pictures are kind of small).

Even though it is kind of an invasion of privacy, at least they usually don't pat me down. I'm sure they're just trying to up their security, not because they actually care about millions of dollars on a plane and people's lives, but about their business. They're probably just trying to protect their business because it gives them a bad reputation when they let someone who has some kind of weapon and manages to pass through security and put people's lives at risk. That's bad business. And if they think that have full-body scanners would minimize that risk, even if it's to protect their own interest and not mine, they are still keeping me more safe when flying a plane and therefore I don't think I have much reason to complain.
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 07:54 AM

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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 08:27 AM

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I wonder if you have a tinfoil hat on when you typed that. Read the articles and look at the photos of the scans. They penetrate clothing but they don't reveal detailed anatomy in the way a nude photograph would. They're akin to a silhouette rather than a nude photo.

Molested to get onto a plane? You make it sound like it's a bunch of adult sexual offenders scanning people and feeling them up for the purpose of getting their rocks off. Take off the tinfoil hat, step into the real world and look at the pictures in the articles.

I'm interested in hearing your crackpot babble as to why the security is ineffective and gives the illusion of safety. Do you think the scanners are useless and the pat-downs are simply for feeling up a passenger?

In addition though I'm interested, if the security is too invasive and ineffective, how would you have it? How can the security be effective without being invasive? Pat-downs can work but according to you that's molestation and according to you the scanners show nude photographs. So how should the security be or do you have no ideas? I have a good idea for the scanners and pat-downs: if you don't want either, then don't fly.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 09:03 AM

I have no problem with the scanners to be honest. I have nothing to hide and it's not like a detailed image so I'm not really bothered who sees it
Pat downs don't bother me either. I had a random one in Brisbane airport this summer and they pulled me into like a make shift room with screens for it. Didn't see the point in the screens, but I guess some people would find them a comfort.
Basically I know if I want to go on a plane these things are gonna happen. It's like retina scans going into the US, now I think that's pointless, but they say you have to so I do it.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 09:19 AM

I have no problem with the scanners - if it makes me safer on the plane, it's good - but I personally would feel a little uncomfortable with being patted down.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 7th 2010, 01:26 PM

I don't have any problem with the scanners or pat-downs, just as I don't have any problem with metal detectors or X-rays. They're there for a reason after all and not simply so airports can spy on you (for which they would have very little motivation anyway). The trick is to make sure that such measures are used in a consistent manner with set policies regarding image deletion and such like (as is the case here at Manchester Airport) to allay people's concerns. Other than that, I'm happy for anything which makes it more difficult for someone to sneak something onto a plane.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 9th 2010, 02:34 AM

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If I was an airport security person, and you came up to me and said that you refused to go through the scanner or be searched, I'd have you taken to a waiting room so that we can check that you don't have weapons/drugs on you. Oh yeah, and I wouldn't let you on the plane because you're endangering everybody's safety.
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I wonder if you have a tinfoil hat on when you typed that. Read the articles and look at the photos of the scans. They penetrate clothing but they don't reveal detailed anatomy in the way a nude photograph would. They're akin to a silhouette rather than a nude photo.

Molested to get onto a plane? You make it sound like it's a bunch of adult sexual offenders scanning people and feeling them up for the purpose of getting their rocks off. Take off the tinfoil hat, step into the real world and look at the pictures in the articles.

I'm interested in hearing your crackpot babble as to why the security is ineffective and gives the illusion of safety. Do you think the scanners are useless and the pat-downs are simply for feeling up a passenger?

In addition though I'm interested, if the security is too invasive and ineffective, how would you have it? How can the security be effective without being invasive? Pat-downs can work but according to you that's molestation and according to you the scanners show nude photographs. So how should the security be or do you have no ideas? I have a good idea for the scanners and pat-downs: if you don't want either, then don't fly.
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Though really, your entire "argument" is an epic fail. Do you really think airport security is effective? It's not that hard to shove a weapon in your body cavities. Besides that, the photos are too revealing. You can distinguish facial features as well as other parts of the body. I haven't read this article posted but I looked at photos from a different article awhile ago so if these are different I don't know. I do find it kind of disturbing that people are working on developing technology to see under people's clothes


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 9th 2010, 02:47 AM

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Have you ever watched Idiocracy? I'm pretty sure being surrounded by the low intelligence of the average human is the reason why I'm crazy. Especially those people who aren't smart enough to know they're stupid.

Though really, your entire "argument" is an epic fail. Do you really think airport security is effective? It's not that hard to shove a weapon in your body cavities. Besides that, the photos are too revealing. You can distinguish facial features as well as other parts of the body. I haven't read this article posted but I looked at photos from a different article awhile ago so if these are different I don't know. I do find it kind of disturbing that people are working on developing technology to see under people's clothes
Some of those articles you may read are mostly fake...just like 95% of statistics are made up. You can't believe everything you read out there.

I feel a lot safer if they did everything possible to make sure no one had anything dangerous on them (or in for that matter).


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 9th 2010, 07:03 AM

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Sounds to me like you have an agenda here. Normal people don't see it as "OMG airport staff are going to take photographs of my tits and then feel me up!". They normally think "Hmm. Airport staff are developing body scanners and implementing pat-downs. Oh well, at least my plane journey should be safe!

The reason it's not hard to hide something in a body cavity is because nobody will look there, which is exactly why we now HAVE the full body scanner
Full body scanners essentially tell the staff if theres anything hidden on somebody's body, which will definitely help stop terrorists. I don't think I have to remind you of the bomb on the English plain a week ago?
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 9th 2010, 07:45 AM

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Though really, your entire "argument" is an epic fail. Do you really think airport security is effective? It's not that hard to shove a weapon in your body cavities. Besides that, the photos are too revealing. You can distinguish facial features as well as other parts of the body. I haven't read this article posted but I looked at photos from a different article awhile ago so if these are different I don't know.
If my argument is a fail, then it helps to say why but that aside, you haven't answered half of my post, which was what should the security be so it is effective but not too invasive? If you can stick a weapon into your body cavities, then those places should be checked in some way to ensure safety either by these scanners, full cavity search, X-ray or another way. If it's so easy to put in weapons undetected, then give a source rather than your own opinion as I doubt you have tried this before.

LOL, you can distinguish body parts? You can do so with your own eyes, patdown or X-rays. The purpose is to check one's body so it makes sense for them to know where something that they may want to look at is located. It's of no use if the scan shows something may be somewhere in or on their upper body and is vague on the shape. That makes security ineffective.

As for facial features, you can see one's face by your own eyes so I don't see how that's invasive in any way. Looking under one's facial skin is to see if there's anything in the mouth, which saves time and effort, as well as possibly pain on the officer to search each person's mouth.

Why don't you take the effort to click on the links so see if the photos are different, as they're the ones being considered here unless you can find the link to the articles you saw a long time ago. It helps if we're all using the same information. If the photos are too revealing, then what amount should be shown so you don't feel they're too revealing?

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So subtle at making it clear you have an agenda without wanting to be anything close to reasonable.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 9th 2010, 01:34 PM

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If my argument is a fail, then it helps to say why but that aside, you haven't answered half of my post, which was what should the security be so it is effective but not too invasive? If you can stick a weapon into your body cavities, then those places should be checked in some way to ensure safety either by these scanners, full cavity search, X-ray or another way. If it's so easy to put in weapons undetected, then give a source rather than your own opinion as I doubt you have tried this before.

LOL, you can distinguish body parts? You can do so with your own eyes, patdown or X-rays. The purpose is to check one's body so it makes sense for them to know where something that they may want to look at is located. It's of no use if the scan shows something may be somewhere in or on their upper body and is vague on the shape. That makes security ineffective.

As for facial features, you can see one's face by your own eyes so I don't see how that's invasive in any way. Looking under one's facial skin is to see if there's anything in the mouth, which saves time and effort, as well as possibly pain on the officer to search each person's mouth.

Why don't you take the effort to click on the links so see if the photos are different, as they're the ones being considered here unless you can find the link to the articles you saw a long time ago. It helps if we're all using the same information. If the photos are too revealing, then what amount should be shown so you don't feel they're too revealing?
I bet you can't see the forest for the trees either. I am against invasive security. It's gone way too far. I can't believe you actually think that everyone should have a cavity search just so they can get on a plane. That's way too paranoid. "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither".

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I feel nothing but pity for you. I've seen what people who take everything way too seriously turn out like.(If you haven't figured it out, "they're working on technology to see through people's clothes" was a joke)


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 9th 2010, 02:23 PM

I guess I'm one of the few people here who don't really care. I think the scanners are a good idea. And it's not a big deal to me that they keep them. I would feel more safe on a plane if I knew that everyone else had also gone through the scan as well.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 10th 2010, 01:55 AM

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I bet you can't see the forest for the trees either. I am against invasive security. It's gone way too far. I can't believe you actually think that everyone should have a cavity search just so they can get on a plane. That's way too paranoid. "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither".
I didn't say everyone should have a physical cavity search. You said it's easy to hide a weapon in a body cavity, so for safety, they should be checked either physically or non-physically. If you're disagreeing with this, I don't understand why and although I'd like an answer for curiousity sake, I'm not going to be disappointed if you don't give one.

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I feel nothing but pity for you. I've seen what people who take everything way too seriously turn out like.(If you haven't figured it out, "they're working on technology to see through people's clothes" was a joke)
You can use your vast knowledge and life experience to tell me how I'll turn out like later. It's hard to sometimes tell when someone is joking when they're being completely unreasonable and spouting dribble already. Had you not said your stuff before and just said that joke, damn near everyone would have caught on but since it was in line with the rest, I'm sure you could use that apparent vast knowledge and life experience to understand this.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 12th 2010, 05:31 PM

One more security measure will just result in one more way people find to get around it. They've taken airport security too far for years.
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 19th 2010, 04:54 PM

....if you're that concerned about radiation you might wanna give up your electronic devices that I'm sure you use constantly.
Oh and, you might not wanna fly. Planes give off radiation while you're sitting in them.

Really, the whole "nude" thing wouldn't be an issue if nudity wasn't such a taboo subject to so many people. I'd be fine with the scanner, and probably be fine with a pat down. (especially if it were some of those young hot workers )



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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 19th 2010, 05:17 PM

Having read the news reports, I'm 100% against these scanners. Anyone who reads ANY news story will realise how bad they are.
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 19th 2010, 06:15 PM

I'm all for the full body scanners and pat-downs. I'm already terrified enough as it is when I fly, and knowing that they are taking these measures will certainly calm me.
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 19th 2010, 08:30 PM

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I'm all for the full body scanners and pat-downs. I'm already terrified enough as it is when I fly, and knowing that they are taking these measures will certainly calm me.
You're fine having your naked body photographed and stored, and your junk literally felt up? They do that. Lots. That's why there's so many different articles about protests etc., and why nobody is flying any more.
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 19th 2010, 09:01 PM

They're pretty much giving you a choice. You can get patted down or go through the scanner. Before, you could only get patted down if they asked you to. I'd rather have them see a photo of me than actually touch me.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 19th 2010, 09:27 PM

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Lots of people are still flying...have you flown lately?
Because I have. There are no less people flying.
You don't HAVE to have them "pat your junk" and really, those aren't graphic pictures.
People need to get more comfortable with their own bodies, this shouldn't be a huge deal. Why are we all afraid of a little nudity? (it isn't even true nudity, come on)



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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 19th 2010, 10:03 PM

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Lots of people are still flying...have you flown lately?
Because I have. There are no less people flying.
You don't HAVE to have them "pat your junk" and really, those aren't graphic pictures.
People need to get more comfortable with their own bodies, this shouldn't be a huge deal. Why are we all afraid of a little nudity? (it isn't even true nudity, come on)
There ARE less people flying, and thats why the airports are getting worried. You obviously haven't been keeping up with the news abou this like I have.
They are actually rather graphic. You can see essentially everything. Either they take a naked photo of you and save it, or they grope you. I don't like to use the word grope, but that's what the TSA are actually doing. They don't 'pat it', there's dozens and dozens of testimonials saying they went far further. It SHOULD be a huge deal. When you buy your airplane ticket, you do NOT automatically forfeit your civil rights. To require one of those two choices before they let you fly a plane is ridiculous. It's not like there's a bigger problem now with terrorism than we had in the 20's. We had it far worse then.
   
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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 20th 2010, 12:47 AM

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I guess I'm one of the few people here who don't really care. I think the scanners are a good idea. And it's not a big deal to me that they keep them. I would feel more safe on a plane if I knew that everyone else had also gone through the scan as well.
This. They store the images, but they don't show your face or have any of your personal info attached to it.

In my opinion, this seems less of an "oppressive invasion of privacy" issue and more of a "I'm uncomfortable with myself stop lookingggg" issue.


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Re: Full Body Scanners--Opting Out - November 20th 2010, 07:10 AM

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This. They store the images, but they don't show your face or have any of your personal info attached to it.

In my opinion, this seems less of an "oppressive invasion of privacy" issue and more of a "I'm uncomfortable with myself stop lookingggg" issue.
Thank the lord you're only a minority that agrees with these scanners :L
You can't FORCE someone to be comfortable with themselves. When they buy a ticket, they do not automatically agree to have their naked body stored on a computer, or to have their private areas groped. It's just wrong. If you even google the story, you'll see he dozens and dozens of articles against this whole thing. One where a TSA employee tried to pat down a screaming 3 year old girl, another where they arrested a man for not accepting to have his junk felt up. He asked for the metal detector, they arrested him.
   
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