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Your ideal society - November 24th 2010, 03:03 AM

So I was influenced by my social class to make this thread. We're learning about different idealogies and economic systems and all that fun stuff. So my question to everyone is: what is your ideal society? That's includes form of government and economic structure. Also I ask that people don't really try to debate which society is better, just state your ideal society (ie. dream society)

For me personally, it would have more of a socialist theme (which is not the same as communism by the way), like the cultures of some of the First Nation people who lived here before Europeans came and took the land away.
Everyone would be treated as equals, no matter the gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. That is to say, everyone is treated with the same respect as everyone else.
It would be a classless society, no rich or poor people. People would share what they have and goods would be distributed equally.
As for government, it would be nonexistent. If there was an issue, everyone would either take a vote or work towards a comprimise.


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Re: Your ideal society - November 24th 2010, 06:07 PM

You may want to ask them to move this to the philosophy/religion thread. It seems like it may fit better there.

I think the best kind of society would be one in the Uglies book (I only read the first two). I wouldn't like it, but it seems like the only way for true peace and some form of happiness.

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Re: Your ideal society - November 24th 2010, 10:40 PM

I do not believe gender equality is achievable due to the innate differences between the genders, so I'm not going to put "gender equality" as one. I'm going to say that I hope that the injustices against men and women are sorted out as much as we reasonably can.
I personally don't see a democracy lasting long. The general people run the country, and the general public are idiots who make the wrong decisions. I would rather a Republic or something. I'll think of something more later.
   
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Re: Your ideal society - November 25th 2010, 02:48 AM

Do you mean an ideal society given the people in the world as we are, or an ideal society with ideal people?


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Re: Your ideal society - November 25th 2010, 12:03 PM

I support equality of rights, but in a socialist world we'd become drone, with no individuality. Harder workers would be paid less, a simple shop worker would be paid as much as a Lawyer or Corporation CEO. That does not work. Conformity and indifference are horrible things to condemn on soceity, as in a world where you have no opportunity to become something greater, depression and suicide soars. And economic classes are existent for a reason, and are generally a fair gauging of a person's career potential, although there are many cases where this is most definetly not the case. A world in which everything is the same is a world dead.
The Ying Yang concept is very applicable here. Without poor, there is no rich. Those of which suffer in this world usually do so unnecessarilly, but they do so to provide the rest of the world bliss and positive lives. They will indefinetly lead lives far more nobly than we ever can.
Sure, the Ying Yang concept has pros and cons relatable to the concept I have just provided an explanation and elaboration for, but socialism and communism have their majority of points in the cons column.
But in my perfect society, I'd have equal rights for all of those of which are not detainees, prisoners, criminals ect. . I'd also limit the budgets of all UN countries' military budgets, establish many more fair trade unions, establish laws of which permit governments to obtain any money that has not been collected within the space of 3-5 years and ensure that after military budget-cutting had occurred that a decent percentage of funds saved would be given to countries under a proclaimed allied status of the developed world to aid in the progression of their nations. Of course, such spending would be monitored and recommendations made. I'd also drastically alter many laws in many countries of which restrict and persecute citizens in unnecessary manners.
But nothing past that on a scale of drastic actions. If you change things moderately or slightly for the world, they can learn to embrace it and utilize it. You must allow the world to repair itself. Forced establishment and ruling can only make matters worse.


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Re: Your ideal society - December 1st 2010, 05:54 AM

a true communist society with no rich, no poor and no military of any kind.
   
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Re: Your ideal society - December 1st 2010, 06:24 AM

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Re: Your ideal society - December 1st 2010, 10:01 AM

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Re: Your ideal society - December 1st 2010, 12:12 PM

My ideal society would be made up of friendly people. This place is known for its strong police force and happy community. Everyone in this society is able to express themselves without hesitation. Everyone is open to there own religious beliefs and holidays. Work weeks consisted of 4 days rather 5 and weekends are now 3 days long. Sunday is out door day this means all the kids get together to play out side, rain or shine.

Like most places this society requires you pass all your schooling. This ensures that generations to come will have a strong base knowledge to help the community grow as a whole. Im a bit old school but I think it would be nice to see guys treat girls better and people were polite to each other.

These are just some of the things Id wish for. Oh one last thing, gas prices dropped 50cents.

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Re: Your ideal society - December 1st 2010, 12:34 PM

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My ideal society would be made up of friendly people. This place is known for its strong police force and happy community. Everyone in this society is able to express themselves without hesitation. Everyone is open to there own religious beliefs and holidays. Work weeks consisted of 4 days rather 5 and weekends are now 3 days long. Sunday is out door day this means all the kids get together to play out side, rain or shine.

Like most places this society requires you pass all your schooling. This ensures that generations to come will have a strong base knowledge to help the community grow as a whole. Im a bit old school but I think it would be nice to see guys treat girls better and people were polite to each other.

These are just some of the things Id wish for. Oh one last thing, gas prices dropped 50cents.

Imagine how nice it would be to live in a perfect world.
Wow that sounds good :3 Might be nice if girls treated guys better too though, if you want to be realistic.
I'd add to that... summer every day of the year, and I mean scorching sun, green grass, blue lake sorta summer :33
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More freedom :3
   
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Re: Your ideal society - December 2nd 2010, 12:58 AM

Matt you've got some great points!
   
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Re: Your ideal society - December 2nd 2010, 06:26 AM

My Ideal Society would be organized in a very democratic fashion, based on quality of person, it's a simple fact that all people are not equal, so why are they treated that way?

First everyone would be tested for genetic degenerations, and given a score between one and one-hundred, with higher being better. Your score would be based on family history, suceptability to genetic mutations, and such. Then people would only be allowed to marry within a certain range, based on their comparative numbers.

For example, I would probably make it where you are allowed to marry within a set range based on the opposite of your number multiplied by two, that being people under 10 would be sterilized, and people in the 10-19 may marry within 18, 20-29 within 16, 30-39 within 14 and so on.

Couples would also only be allowed to have children in half of the quantity of their 10's digit number rounded up, IE someone with a score of 53 could have 3 children (In terms of a conflict it would be based off of the mother's number). People above 90 would be allowed an unlimited number of children.

This would, in turn, cause the genetically superior to out-breed the inferior people, and usher in a new age for humanity.

Also, based on someone's ranking area, they are assigned their overall area of employment, but anyone may apply for the class above them if they display exceptional capability, and if they preform some sort of nationally heroic act, they may enter into any field.

The fields would be, roughly,


1-19 - Agriculture
20-29 - Base Industrial
30-39 - Manufacturing
40-49 - Service
50-59 - Low Level Administration/Civil Protection
60-69 - Armed Forces
70-79 - Managerial
80-100 - Scientific/Medical/Officer Corps/Political

Remember that each level above is continually smaller as they have tighter restrictions. Anyone with a score of 50 or above is allowed to vote for local bureaucrats (Drawn from the 80-100 range). Everyone between 70 and 100 is allowed to vote for national leaders. Everyone would work for the state, for varying salaries based upon performance and job.

The Nation would be called Helvakia, and the people refereed to as Helvakians, the national anthem would be "Heia Safari" and the language of Helvakia would be English, with the upper class speaking German for formal events, it creates a separation between the people, and a sense of elitism. Crime and punishment would be extremely strict and repeat offenders would be put to death.

The military would be based around the concept of "Scorched Earth", and any attack against our nation would be met back with the combined forces of our elite soldiers, as they are of a genetic upper-class, and the liberal use of WMDs.

Oh, and on a side note, i'd like to use the Helghast flag,


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Re: Your ideal society - December 2nd 2010, 03:36 PM

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My Ideal Society would be organized in a very democratic fashion, based on quality of person, it's a simple fact that all people are not equal, so why are they treated that way?

First everyone would be tested for genetic degenerations, and given a score between one and one-hundred, with higher being better. Your score would be based on family history, suceptability to genetic mutations, and such. Then people would only be allowed to marry within a certain range, based on their comparative numbers.

For example, I would probably make it where you are allowed to marry within a set range based on the opposite of your number multiplied by two, that being people under 10 would be sterilized, and people in the 10-19 may marry within 18, 20-29 within 16, 30-39 within 14 and so on.

Couples would also only be allowed to have children in half of the quantity of their 10's digit number rounded up, IE someone with a score of 53 could have 3 children (In terms of a conflict it would be based off of the mother's number). People above 90 would be allowed an unlimited number of children.

This would, in turn, cause the genetically superior to out-breed the inferior people, and usher in a new age for humanity.

Also, based on someone's ranking area, they are assigned their overall area of employment, but anyone may apply for the class above them if they display exceptional capability, and if they preform some sort of nationally heroic act, they may enter into any field.

The fields would be, roughly,


1-19 - Agriculture
20-29 - Base Industrial
30-39 - Manufacturing
40-49 - Service
50-59 - Low Level Administration/Civil Protection
60-69 - Armed Forces
70-79 - Managerial
80-100 - Scientific/Medical/Officer Corps/Political

Remember that each level above is continually smaller as they have tighter restrictions. Anyone with a score of 50 or above is allowed to vote for local bureaucrats (Drawn from the 80-100 range). Everyone between 70 and 100 is allowed to vote for national leaders. Everyone would work for the state, for varying salaries based upon performance and job.

The Nation would be called Helvakia, and the people refereed to as Helvakians, the national anthem would be "Heia Safari" and the language of Helvakia would be English, with the upper class speaking German for formal events, it creates a separation between the people, and a sense of elitism. Crime and punishment would be extremely strict and repeat offenders would be put to death.

The military would be based around the concept of "Scorched Earth", and any attack against our nation would be met back with the combined forces of our elite soldiers, as they are of a genetic upper-class, and the liberal use of WMDs.

Oh, and on a side note, i'd like to use the Helghast flag,
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Re: Your ideal society - December 4th 2010, 10:57 PM

Guile...oh geez. I agree with Fletcher. xD
   
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Re: Your ideal society - December 4th 2010, 11:25 PM

One where there are equal rights for everyone (within reason). That means that you can't for example have some terrorist seeking asylum in ur country from the pissed off Americans.

Equal opportunities. That would be funded by the government probably. Equal... however, means EQUAL, not positive discrimination or any of that shit. So people who come from low income backgrounds would be given exact same opportunities ones from high income backgrounds.

And equal right to keep your own money to yourself. So same taxes for everyone. None of that shit where someone earning over $40,000 gets taxed 25%, and someone earning under that gets taxed 15%. Figures are just examples, not accurate at all.

And allowed to do what you want, within reason. No restrictions on whom you're allowed to marry for example. Or where you can or can't live, or what job you can or can't have. The only deciding factor on what job you get would be your own achievements in school... not family history.


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Re: Your ideal society - December 5th 2010, 10:48 AM

Men and woman look and have the exact same system

I CALL IT THE MANWO

Have both testicles and penises, also have a vagina and a female reproductive system. And breasts that create milk. Can both get pregnant and make another manwo pregnant.

In the future not far from now...
   
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Re: Your ideal society - December 5th 2010, 11:24 AM

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I CALL IT THE MANWO

Have both testicles and penises, also have a vagina and a female reproductive system. And breasts that create milk. Can both get pregnant and make another manwo pregnant.

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lmao xD I haven't laughed that hard in weeks!
   
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