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Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 03:45 PM

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President Barack Obama is due to announce the withdrawal of most US troops in Iraq by August 2010.

In a speech later, he is expected to confirm that the US "combat mission" in Iraq will officially end by that time.

He is also expected to say that up to 50,000 of the 142,000 troops will stay in Iraq after that date to advise Iraqi forces and protect American interests.


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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 04:04 PM

I could NOT be happier My brother's already served in Iraq once and now he may have to go back. This war was completely retarded and unnecessary in my opinion and i'm glad our boys are comin home.
   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 04:10 PM

Ugh. This whole war crap annoys me. I probably don't follow it anywhere near as closely as i should do, but I get the gist of it...the gist being wherever America goes, Britain tags behind.
Because if Britain doesn't follow, America will probably disown it.
I guess if Britain didn't follow America to war, America wouldn't help us out of tricky situations. (eg nazi takeovers)
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 04:28 PM

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Ugh. This whole war crap annoys me. I probably don't follow it anywhere near as closely as i should do, but I get the gist of it...the gist being wherever America goes, Britain tags behind.
Because if Britain doesn't follow, America will probably disown it.
I guess if Britain didn't follow America to war, America wouldn't help us out of tricky situations. (eg nazi takeovers)
Gah. War. It sucks. But it's good that theres some sort of end in sight.
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 05:09 PM

You can't pull out now, Iraq will descend into chaos and it's getting better ever so slowly better there.

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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 07:04 PM

War's gone on long enough...it's about time they brought the troops back home. According to Bush, we won the war...about eight years ago, I think? Yet what have we accomplished besides kill thousands of innocent civilians over there? A friend of my mum's was over in Iraq last year and she said the Iraqis absolutely despise the US for screwing up their country. Yes, we removed a dictator from power but in my opinion, more harm was done than good.



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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 07:12 PM

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Ugh. This whole war crap annoys me. I probably don't follow it anywhere near as closely as i should do, but I get the gist of it...the gist being wherever America goes, Britain tags behind.
Because if Britain doesn't follow, America will probably disown it.
I guess if Britain didn't follow America to war, America wouldn't help us out of tricky situations. (eg nazi takeovers)
Gah. War. It sucks. But it's good that theres some sort of end in sight.

i know , its like america owns the Uk. Personaly im sick of it and i think we should tell america enouth is enouth and that we can do things on our own.

anyway back to the topic at hand, at last. an end is in sight..
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 07:14 PM

I'm happy about it and think he's doing it right. I'm sure Obama is listening to General Odierno and his underlings with a keen ear. He's done the same with his economic advisers. I don't see why he'd change that precedent.
   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 07:29 PM

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War's gone on long enough...it's about time they brought the troops back home. According to Bush, we won the war...about eight years ago, I think? Yet what have we accomplished besides kill thousands of innocent civilians over there? A friend of my mum's was over in Iraq last year and she said the Iraqis absolutely despise the US for screwing up their country. Yes, we removed a dictator from power but in my opinion, more harm was done than good.
The troops have killed very few innocents compared to the suicide bombers and you can't blame that.

I wonder what the Iraqis who suffered under Saddam would think?
   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 08:44 PM

If we pull out now iraq will be under a new dictator most likely!


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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 27th 2009, 08:45 PM

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If we pull out now iraq will be under a new dictator most likely!
Probably, it is not implausible that Obama is sacrificing the Iraqi people for political points at home
   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 12:07 AM

I doubt we'll actually pullout by then. He can slowly push the date back further and further. Make sure that a lot of the troops do come home within the third to fourth year to make it look good for the next election.


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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 03:57 AM

Pulling out just will allow for the terrorists to run wild in that country. The last thing we need is for them to take a country. Because then it's no longer just a bunch of little militants comitting crimes; it's a government comitting acts of war. Full-scale war.


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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 04:52 PM

There will most likely be more and more problems in Iraq whether or not the U.S. government decides to pull out our troops.

In Iraq, there are so many different non-government factions fighting for power. In addition, you have the on-going conflict between the Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites, who are all vying for power and have been ever since the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime. It is quite similar to Afghanistan as President Hamid Karzai barely has control over his country due to constant violence from tribal groups.


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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 05:44 PM

I don't know too much about all this war stuff... but I never thought we should have invaded Iraq to begin with. I am glad the soldiers are coming home, but more troops are being sent to Afghanistan - so it's not exactly the best of endings. Also, if Iraq get's another dictator, I still don't think its up to America to "save them". It's their country, their politics....


   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 05:50 PM

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I don't know too much about all this war stuff... but I never thought we should have invaded Iraq to begin with.
And many people agree with you. Unfortunately actions have consequences and so the troops now have a duty to increase stability and make the country more democratic
   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 06:52 PM

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And many people agree with you. Unfortunately actions have consequences and so the troops now have a duty to increase stability and make the country more democratic
You can't force a country to be democratic...



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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 06:55 PM

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It is difficult for any country to become democratic, especially if roots have not been planted for democracy. As much as I would like to see a democratic Iraq or Afghanistan, I think it is up to their citizens to decide.


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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 07:06 PM

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We do not have a duty to make them democratic! It's THEIR country, not ours. America doesn't need to invade and "better" everyone else. Let them deal with their own issues and live the way they want. It's better to stay out of the mess entirely...


   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 07:45 PM

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Re: Iraq pullout. - February 28th 2009, 08:05 PM

You don't just go into a country and change them in a few years. Even ten years. You couldn't just walk on into America with your military and change our government entirely. Why do people still think America can, then, walk into another country and just change them? It'd take far too long. Which means even more death, more men and women gone from their families. I'm so glad for the pullout. America is not the keeper of Iraq. They'll do just fine without us. If they don't, I don't know what to tell you, they are not a democracy.

Democracy is a beautiful thing, to many of us. But some people just don't want it. It's not our place nor our duty to force the "right" thing on them.



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Re: Iraq pullout. - March 1st 2009, 12:04 AM

Pulling out now would be awesome...Except that Iraq will still be pregnant with USA influence. Like a poor birth control method.


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Re: Iraq pullout. - March 2nd 2009, 05:29 AM

Like other people said the whole thing was stupid to begin with. For those saying that if we leave now another dictator will take over, oh well. It's not our responsibility, not our problem, and definitely not our duty. America has no right to be the "world police" our country isn't as great as many people seem to think it is. We have our own problems, let's please fix them before we even think about anyone else.


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Re: Iraq pullout. - March 2nd 2009, 06:39 AM

The problem is. That he might be trying to get them out too fast. If it becomes like vietnam, The rest of my brothers in arms will be evacin off a roof on top a building while rockets and bullets are zipping by.
   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - March 2nd 2009, 06:45 AM

I think we're going to see some bad results either way. Staying or pulling out will yield crappy results.

Did Obama and his administration make the right choice? We'll see in due time.
   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - March 2nd 2009, 02:19 PM

The problem is that actions have consequences.You can't remove a dictator and then leave them to their fate. That is worse than trying to make a stable government.
   
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Re: Iraq pullout. - March 3rd 2009, 02:25 AM

I didn't read all the threads but I will say a few things. I was there in 2004 and I was talking to a Sgt. who was in the same building I was. He told me he was talking to an Iraqi one day. The Iraqi told him, "No offense to you but you got rid of Saddam now go home." These people wanted their freedom just like America did when we fought the British. Another thing is we can thank the media a great deal for not helping this war out. There is a great deal of good going on over there. I've learned to not watch CNN and the only news station I watch now is Fox because they seem to be the most reliable among the stations. There are areas that were once so bad people wouldn't step foot in it. Now there are markets. I saw recently that the last insurgent stronghold is now being attacked by Coalition forces. Yes, there have been lives lost. I've had to deal with this personally. There was a guy in my unit I went with and fortunately all of us came back together. This guy went into retirement, but came out and went with another unit. Sadly, this time he didn't come back. I know this war has a lot of people wondering why are we there and I wonder sometimes also. But when I see progress being made, an economy starting, Iraqi soldiers doing raids and coalition soldiers monitoring, playing soccer with kids, handing out shoes and candy, etc. I see a future.
   
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