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Church pastor killed during service - March 8th 2009, 09:17 PM

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The pastor of a Maryville, Illinois, church was shot to death during a service Sunday in front of horrified parishioners who then tackled the gunman, state police said. Fred Winters, the pastor of the First Baptist Church of Maryville, was shot and killed during the 8 a.m. service, and the attacker and two parishioners suffered knife wounds in the attack, said Illinois state police spokesman Ralph Timmins. The gunman walked in during the service and walked up to the pulpit, opening fire when he was met by Winters, Timmins said. A police dispatcher in Maryville, about 10 miles east of St. Louis, Missouri, told CNN the pastor was shot three times. Timmins said the gunman's .45-caliber pistol jammed after he shot Winters. The shooter then pulled out a knife and turned it on himself before being tackled by some of the roughly 150 worshippers attending the church.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 8th 2009, 09:20 PM

Meh, the only noteworthy thing is how his God elected to forsake him
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 8th 2009, 09:32 PM

Sad that a man was killed, but no more than any other murder case.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 8th 2009, 09:33 PM

I am so sad I went to that church one time my grandma took take of his two daughters sometimes please keep his wife and daughters in prayer this must be really hard on them.
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 8th 2009, 09:35 PM

That's so horrible. Church is supposed to be a safe place. I can't imagine what his family is going through.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 8th 2009, 11:42 PM

Mysterious isn't it? Did the gun really jam or was it an act of god... spooooooky.
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 8th 2009, 11:48 PM

I'm really curious of what goes inside those people's heads...


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 8th 2009, 11:50 PM

This only proves there is no god.
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 12:08 AM

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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 12:24 AM

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This doesn't prove that. It provides evidence that some people are messed up.
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 12:30 AM

thats really sad. i wonder why the guy did it.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 12:37 AM

My point is fact sorry.!!!
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 12:41 AM

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It's an opinion or belief. Not a fact.
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 12:42 AM

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My point is fact sorry.!!!
How is that a fact its a statement. All you said was "This only proves there is no god." which doesn't prove he is or isn't its your opinion.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 12:51 AM

lizzy the bible was written in the medival times. source is biblestudy.com
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 02:15 AM

This is not a debate about whether or not God exists.

Anyways, that is really sad news. No one ever wants to hear about news like that, but things like that happen every day unfortunately. My prayers and condolences go out to him and his family.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 02:16 AM

Thats horrible. I would have hated to be in that church then. Thats the worst way to shake up somebody's faith.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 12:29 PM

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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 05:34 PM

invert untill you provide evidence of god i am correct.
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 05:37 PM

Can you please make a new thread about God this isnt a debate about does god exist or not its about a pastor being guned down during a service.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 05:51 PM

see what religion does 2 ppl?




   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 07:00 PM

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Religion has nothing to do with this. Terrible events like this one happen on a daily basis. In this case, it happened to a church pastor during a service.


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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 07:27 PM

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 9th 2009, 07:31 PM

It's not really persecution but a seemingly random act of violence. Persecution is a large of number of people being maltreated for their faith such as in the Armenian genocide of 1915
   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 10th 2009, 01:55 AM

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Religion has nothing to do with this. Terrible events like this one happen on a daily basis. In this case, it happened to a church pastor during a service.
the only reason y its a big deal is b/c of it's location. and look it ws brought up and BOOM automatically people start going crazy on ths subject. so im sry but i'll have 2 disagree. perhaps u just didn't see where i was going with my comment.


   
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 10th 2009, 02:04 AM

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Religion has nothing to do with this. Terrible events like this one happen on a daily basis. In this case, it happened to a church pastor during a service.
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Re: Church pastor killed during service - March 10th 2009, 02:46 AM

That's sad, but it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with a nutso who got his hands on a gun.



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