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Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:07 AM

http://atheistbus.ca/

This campaign's sign "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." was rejected to be put on the buses by Canada's capital, Ottawa, public transit system.

They believe that freedom of speech and freedom of religion should also allow freedom to express no religion.

It is supposed to be discussed and voted on this Wednesday at a council meeting.

I'd really like to know what people think about this. Do you think these signs should be allowed on public transit buses or do you think the message and belief should be kept privately?


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:11 AM

Are there signs about religion on the buses as well?




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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:15 AM

Yes, they should be allowed. They are a paid for advertisement and therefore should be allowed for general use like any other product
   
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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:25 AM

How many people Actually take time to read a message across a bus I don't.


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:27 AM

I've looked at these and chuckled to myself for I believe it to be true. An absence of any God in my life has affected me more than shampoo for certain

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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:45 AM

They should be allowed, people are far too afraid to offend people, it's ridiculous. You can't say that there's freedom of speech then not allow it if you don't agree with the message someone wants to get across.


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:48 AM

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They should be allowed, people are far too afraid to offend people, it's ridiculous. You can't say that there's freedom of speech then not allow it if you don't agree with the message someone wants to get across.
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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:49 AM

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Again, I'm okay with this as long as there are no religious signs on buses either.
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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 12:52 AM

I wouldn't mind the signs on the buses. If you pay for it, then you should be allowed to have whatever you want on the side of the bus (within reason, of course).


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 01:42 AM

Frankly I don't care. They should be allowed to put whatever they want there. However, if they deny the atheist one and let a Christian or other religious organization have an advertisement, then I'd really have a problem with it.


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 02:41 AM

If religious groups are allowed to buy adverts, then yes, these should be allowed. If NO advertisements about god/religion/whatever are allowed, ever, then no. Fair is fair.



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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 02:56 AM

Mine is the basically a good mixture of everyone before me - but seriously...

Equal rights have never been so equal.
No matter the topic.

I'm interested in how the decision will be met and at how many protesters will line the area if it falls out of favor with the religious groups.


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 02:57 AM

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Mine is the basically a good mixture of everyone before me - but seriously...

Equal rights have never been so equal.
No matter the topic.

I'm interested in how the decision will be met and at how many protesters will line the area if it falls out of favor with the religious groups.
Which would be ironic since they'd be using their First Amendment right to prevent another from getting their First Amendment right
   
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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 03:27 AM

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Which would be ironic since they'd be using their First Amendment right to prevent another from getting their First Amendment right
Most things to do with the First Amendment are quite ironic to begin with


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 03:28 AM

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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 03:36 AM

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I'm hazy on the US Constitution lol, I only know a few of them xD
Haha, it's fine xD

Most U.S. citizens can not name the first 5 Bill of Rights. Anything Constitution related is pretty much up for interpretation in the United States. Worst of all - I am being completely serious.

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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 03:38 AM

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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 03:40 AM

Ha, if I saw a bus that had one of those ads it'd probably make my day


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 03:44 AM

Atheists don't like to have religion shoved in their faces. Why should those who do practice religions have to have someone's belief that there is no god shoved in theirs?

What is the reason for the advertisements? I thought atheists were all about not trying to convert people.

I think it's a purposeful attempt to make the atmosphere a little more tense. I just don't see a good reason behind it.


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Atheists don't like to have religion shoved in their faces. Why should those who do practice religions have to have someone's belief that there is no god shoved in theirs?
It's about time religious people got their comeuppance then. Besides the advert mentions the word probably. How many religious ads say that Jesus will probably save you?

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To educate people, just like you'd spread the word about a product

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Religious people have brought it on themselves by kicking up such a fuss in the media about it. Had it not have came to the news then it would have been minimal impact. I think a quote from Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris is apt here: "They have sowed the wind, now they shall reap the whirlwind"

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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 03:53 AM

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Atheists don't like to have religion shoved in their faces. Why should those who do practice religions have to have someone's belief that there is no god shoved in theirs?

What is the reason for the advertisements? I thought atheists were all about not trying to convert people.

I think it's a purposeful attempt to make the atmosphere a little more tense. I just don't see a good reason behind it.
Speaking from the fact that "Heaven or Hell. You choose." posters are all over the interstates I travel everyday - Is it not befitting to have an opposing view?

It is an advertisement. They are getting money and the company is definitely not capable of deciding what religion or anti religion posters can be on their buses. It is none of their business (though it is their company..whatever, you understand my point) it is just simply another opinion on life.

Are we so afraid to be challenged? I find that if religious people are as strong in their faith as they preach, what's the problem in plastic wording on a transportation unit?

Simply because it does not align with your personal views?

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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 04:07 AM

I think this is good. The religious people (i.e. christians/catholics) have their churches up, which is a pretty big sign. If they can have that, the least that can happen is an atheist bus sign. Freedom of speech is a two-sided sword; if they can say their crap, atheists can say their stuff. Besides, it's a bus sign. It's not something being rammed in your face, if you don't like it, look away or if it really ties your shorts up, hop on another bus.

If they say these signs aren't allowed, then the churches and their signs aren't allowed either. Fair is fair.

ThereIsHope: You're generalizing far too much. Some atheists do want to convert non-atheists, just as some christians want to convert non-christians. Then, there are some who don't give a shit, and some who would go on a killing spree. Let me ask you this: why are there churches with all their signs, statues and the famous cross? Is that not also stirring up the shit? It's a pretty damn big advertisement.
   
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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 10th 2009, 09:56 PM

I would like to add that there are religious signs on buses right now, and that is one of the problems. They allow religious adds, but not an atheist sign.

I agree though, not many people look at bus signs anyway, but I think that these signs should be allowed up.


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I would like to add that there are religious signs on buses right now, and that is one of the problems. They allow religious adds, but not an atheist sign.

I agree though, not many people look at bus signs anyway, but I think that these signs should be allowed up.
If there are religious signs I don't see on what grounds they are refusing to post the atheist ones? O_o



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If there are religious signs I don't see on what grounds they are refusing to post the atheist ones? O_o
Because the atheist ones are frowned upon and go against other beliefs. Stupid? Very. But that's what it is. For example, a christian can attempt to convert or belittle an atheist's beliefs yet when the atheist tries, oh no, they cant do that. Stupid? Yes.
   
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Because the atheist ones are frowned upon and go against other beliefs. Stupid? Very. But that's what it is. For example, a christian can attempt to convert or belittle an atheist's beliefs yet when the atheist tries, oh no, they cant do that. Stupid? Yes.
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I meant at least decent arguments.
... That is a major argument that's used and an observation that's often seen.

If you want a decent argument, you're out of luck, there are none (at least none I've seen).
   
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... That is a major argument that's used and an observation that's often seen.

If you want a decent argument, you're out of luck, there are none (at least none I've seen).
I would like a decent argument. If there are none, there is absolutely no reason for keeping the atheist signs off the buses. Which means.... there is absolutely no reason for keeping the atheist signs off the buses.



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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 11th 2009, 10:58 AM

I don't see the problem with it. Religious signs are everywhere.. The infamous "GOD AT WORK SIGN" which was in Dundee. Its now gone, merely because the scaffolding, I think, will be removed soon. This was next to a small church.

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I would like a decent argument. If there are none, there is absolutely no reason for keeping the atheist signs off the buses. Which means.... there is absolutely no reason for keeping the atheist signs off the buses.
Did you just repeat yourself in the same response? Anyways, logically, that means there's no reason for not having the signs on, you're right about that. But, it would still be argued in the way I mentioned before. They can tell you about their belief and challenge yours, but if you try it on them, that's a no-no. Part of their belief (christian belief) is to "save the condemned", and the atheists are seen as the condemned. So, the christians feel they have a right and are obligated to do so, whereas the atheists, the ones presumably bound to "hell" are not obligated nor allowed as it's not part of their belief. Logically it makes absolutely no sense and the signs should be allowed, however, these illogical arguments happen quite a bit. For example, look on the TH forums; someone tells about their belief, may challenge yours but if you happen to challenge theirs, usually they get all pissed off. Does it seem fair or right? No, but that's what happens.
   
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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 11th 2009, 06:12 PM

I saw buses with christian adverts the other day. I'm neither a christian nor an atheist, but if christians are allowed to have those adverts why not atheists. Besides, the christian ones were about not entering the kingdom of heaven if you do not turn to jesus etc. Personally I think the atheist one is more optimistic.
   
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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 11th 2009, 07:13 PM

I don't believe in God but I also don't find it necessary to go around "redeeming" people who do believe in him. If someone wants to believe in him, fine. I have no say in that.

It's just an attempt to hurt & discredit someone elses beliefs, which honestly, people should be used to by now. I don't like reading signs that say "God is real, you're going to hell for not believing in him" or something attacking my beliefs... but it doesn't bother me either.

So I say let this sign go up... but to me it just shows that people need to belittle each others beliefs to feel better about their own. *cough* Insecure much?

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After skimming through the article, I found my point has just been proven.

Their main argument for sticking these up was because they were angry for seeing "ad's" promoting religion in the same manner. So they decided to respond by sticking these up when instead they should be fighting to get rid of the ones promoting religion.
   
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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 11th 2009, 07:19 PM

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I don't believe in God but I also don't find it necessary to go around "redeeming" people who do believe in him. If someone wants to believe in him, fine. I have no say in that.

It's just an attempt to hurt & discredit someone elses beliefs, which honestly, people should be used to by now. I don't like reading signs that say "God is real, you're going to hell for not believing in him" or something attacking my beliefs... but it doesn't bother me either.

So I say let this sign go up... but to me it just shows that people need to belittle each others beliefs to feel better about their own. *cough* Insecure much?

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After skimming through the article, I found my point has just been proven.

Their main argument for sticking these up was because they were angry for seeing "ad's" promoting religion in the same manner. So they decided to respond by sticking these up when instead they should be fighting to get rid of the ones promoting religion.

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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 11th 2009, 09:51 PM

http://atheistbus.ca/

The signs were approved! Though, I am a little worried that one of the main reasons they were passed was because it would cost a lot of money to get the argument through the courts...

I hope to see the signs up soon.


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Re: Atheist Bus Campaign - March 11th 2009, 11:58 PM

That's awesome that it got approved, my Gran told me that something like this has already gone down in England, I'm quite happy about it actually. I see ads and billboards for churches and God and Catholic schools everywhere and I have always wondered why Atheists are so quiet about it, why are we worried about saying God doesn't exist when people shove God in our faces day in and day out?

Seriously, I can't turn my head without seeing a sign that says "JOIN US IN WORSHIP" or "CONFESS AND BE SAVED" if I can look at THAT and go "No thank you" then can't they do the same when they look at Atheist ads?



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