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Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 04:53 PM

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...-13762,00.html HUNDREDS of British school children believe Auschwitz is the name of a beer, religious festival or type of bread instead of the infamous Nazi death camp, a survey reveals. More than 1000 high school students aged between 11 and 16 were asked what they knew about Auschwitz, where about 1.3 million people died during World War II. Ten per cent said they were unsure, while eight per cent believed Auschwitz was a country bordering Germany, two per cent said it was a beer, another two per cent said a religious festival and one per cent said a type of bread. Six in 10 students also had no idea about Hitler's Final Solution - a plan to exterminate all Jews - with a fifth saying they thought it was the name of peace talks to end the war. Ninety seven per cent, however, were able to identify Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler from a photograph. The London Jewish Cultural Centre, which commissioned the survey to mark the DVD release of WWII drama The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas , said the results indicated that thousands of British students lacked an understanding of the Holocaust. It estimated that among Britain's 4.5 million 11- to 16-year-olds, 90,000 believed Auschwitz was a drink and 45,000 thought it was a type of bread.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 05:00 PM

Wow, that's just sad. Don't schools teach this kind of stuff in high school? I'm in Canada, miles away from where all that happened, and I was taught all about in high school.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 05:06 PM

You'll only really learn about this in school if you choose to take GCSE history, well at least in my school. We only did the tudors, industrial revolution, the incas and stuff like that before GCSE. Although to be honest this stuff is pretty much general knowledge and people should at least be aware of what Auschwitz is.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 05:07 PM

Is Education really that bad in Europe?


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 05:09 PM

I'm taking GCSE history and we don't do anything about WWII, however our school did cover a little of it in year 9. I'd bet anything that over half of my history class do not know what auschwitz is. This is terrible.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 05:22 PM

We covered this is history before secondary school ,you do cover it in more depth at GCSE. I don't know when they took this survey as it doesn't say. Also this is only *estimated* so I don't totally believe the figures. I could really question how accurate that survey was...
   
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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 05:22 PM

History here is mandatory, and WWI and II are included in it. I can't believe kids aren't being educated about such an important event...sorry I'm a huge history fan and I really believe it's important to know history.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 05:37 PM

I call bullshit. In fact the article doesn't even make sense:

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HUNDREDS of British school children believe Auschwitz is the name of a beer, religious festival or type of bread instead of the infamous Nazi death camp, a survey reveals.
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2% of 1000 is 20, so 20 think it's a beer, 20 think it's a religious festival and 10 think it's a type of bread.. That's hardly "hundreds", someone can't do maths.

I've never met someone who didn't know what it was. You're taught it at school so I don't see how you can avoid it. I would assume the incorrect answers to the question came from the 11 year olds who haven't been taught it yet, which is understandable. In answer to the question of "is English education really that bad?": No, not really. Our education system is what you make of it, if you piss around and don't turn up then you don't learn, if you actually do the work and listen then you do.
   
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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 05:43 PM

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-12377,00.html http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...15237544?f=rss More sources.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 06:54 PM

What I giggled at was this:

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If you don't know who Hitler is, how the hell do you know who Salvador Dali is? Something doesn't really seem right there either.
   
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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 07:25 PM

I got taught about Auschwitz in my Religious Education lessons more than I did in History but we did get taught it and R.E was complusary until the end of year 11 and history until the end of year 9. Many choose to do History at GCSE and I have continued R.E at A level.

My school focuses a lot on the Holocaust during R.E and PSHE lessons as a main example of discrimination and as a link in to anti bullying and anti discrimination lessons.
Many of the older students (including me) have visited Auschwitz with my school.

I thought it was general knowledge though, even if not in detail, most people at least know about the gas chambers and concentration camps.

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I don't know when they took this survey as it doesn't say.
I think it was quite recent because of this quote.

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The London Jewish Cultural Centre, which commissioned the survey to mark the DVD release of WWII drama The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas, said the results indicated that thousands of British students lacked an understanding of the Holocaust.
The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas has only just recently been released on DVD.

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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 08:09 PM

That's awful. They're falling right into the hands of the muslim terrorist's traps... because once they forget, there will be no prevention.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 09:45 PM

If this is true... that's incredibly sad. We learn about the Holocaust and WWII in like.. elementary school in the US. For someone to not know about this, is just sad.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 09:58 PM

It's shocking, if it's true.

I learned about this is like third grade (more so Anne Frank, actually).


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 10:31 PM

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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 10:35 PM

It's not that surprising. I remember a study in the 1990s which said that 60% of American students couldn't recognise Stalin. So you have to take these results with the pinch of salt they deserve.
   
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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 10:42 PM

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It's not that surprising. I remember a study in the 1990s which said that 60% of American students couldn't recognise Stalin. So you have to take these results with the pinch of salt they deserve.
I Remember watching Bill O'reilly and some expert on Education "claims" Americans are far less intelligent then the citizens of China that's sad.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 10:57 PM

That's pathetic. I wonder how many schools are actually teaching about this.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 10th 2009, 11:40 PM

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What does this have to do with Muslim terrorists? Because I'm almost certain that they didn't build Auschwitz, and they aren't supposed to drink beer.
   
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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 12:02 AM

I can't believe this. People should know what Auschwitz was. *shakes head*


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 12:55 AM

Wow, don't schools teach students history these days... And how can you confuse Hitler with Churchill? Argh, it does my head in!


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 02:04 AM

I agree, this is quite pitiful. Every day I find something that makes me gain hope, but then more things that make me lose hope.


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 02:58 AM

Auschwitz was a cluster of camps rather than one camp and so the death rate was correspondingly high. Only about 25% (1,400,000) of Jews were killed at Auschwitz which although is the highest single toll means most were not killed there. Nearly 900,000 were killed at Treblinka and 600,000 at Belzec.

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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 03:11 AM

that's really sad... it really dissappoints me that that many high school kids have no idea about the horrible things that happened here and other places during the holocaust


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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 03:43 AM

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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 07:36 AM

I have to agree with Jack, here. Take these findings with a grain of salt.

I'm from the US. This stuff is grade 8 basics, as well as something that is done extensively later on.



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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 11:09 AM

I'm not sure wether to believe this either.

In primary school, we did projects on WWII, and in Secondry, in core history (we had to take it in 1st/2nd year) and a little in Core RME (1st-4th year).

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Re: Auschwitz 'a type of beer' - March 11th 2009, 03:02 PM

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Because they're the head honchos in Holocaust denial. They're the ones in today's world advocating against the Jews.
And yet people in the West generally don't accept Holocaust denial theories, and anti-Semitism and Islam are both fairly unpopular. So the threat of Western schoolchildren becoming Islamic extremists, or even supporting them, because they don't know that Auschwitz was a death camp, is pretty much zero. Especially as even most of the people who don't know what Auschwitz is probably still know what the Holocaust was, and those who don't are most likely too stupid to end up in any position of influence.
   
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