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Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 02:39 AM

It's a common topic coming up, I'm quite surprised that it hasn't come up too often yet.

Do you think America is turning into a socialist nation?
Do you think it would be better as a socialist nation?

If you said yes, why do you think that?
If you say no, what is your solution to the current economic crisis?

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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 02:53 AM

1)No idea.

2) It would be better if you were more socialist, creating a federal health service or even a state health service and an increase in public transport paid for through taxation. I'd like to see the rich get taxed more too as a way to pay for it. A multiple properties tax or land area tax (excluding farmland) would hit the rich more. Better public transport would have an environmental benefit too.
   
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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 02:58 AM

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1)No idea.

2) It would be better if you were more socialist, creating a federal health service or even a state health service and an increase in public transport paid for through taxation. I'd like to see the rich get taxed more too as a way to pay for it. A multiple properties tax or land area tax (excluding farmland) would hit the rich more. Better public transport would have an environmental benefit too.
This sounds right + better public transportation is even better America lacks this kind of service.


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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 02:50 PM

nt really but i reckon england is becoming more of fuckup everyday..
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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 04:08 PM

I don't think it's necessarily becoming a socialist nation, but with socialised healthcare coming around and government interference and bails, it is beginning to have the potential. I disagree with socialism. I'm a strong believer in you get out what you put in. If you work to get an education, try your best, go through school, university and beyond then you can get a decent job, work hard and live a happy life. It's the pursuit of happiness. It is not guarenteed. You have to put in the effort to achieve it.


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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 06:05 PM

Turning into a socialist nation? Slightly more socialist, perhaps, but certainly not the "liberal" (in quotes because Americans don't know what liberalism means so they misuse the word) Marxist dystopia that crazies like Rush Limbaugh have been talking about. In a socialist system the Americans would be redistributing far more than they already are, and, most important, nationalising the means of production and distribution. Potential temporary nationalisation of some banks aside, that isn't going to happen (bailing out the car industry is a good old-fashioned American crackdown on free trade rather than a step towards socialism).

As to whether the planned socialist-ish changes are a good thing, possibly. By allowing Bush's tax cuts for the rich to expire, it puts more money into the government coffers and therefore helps to pay for the stimulus package. Although I prefer lower taxes to higher ones, I think that when the government has to raise extra money (like, for example, now) they should raise it from those most able to pay. The potential national health service is probably also a good thing, and almost certainly better (and cheaper) than the current public/private clusterfuck.
   
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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 06:12 PM

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I don't think it's necessarily becoming a socialist nation, but with socialised healthcare coming around and government interference and bails, it is beginning to have the potential. I disagree with socialism. I'm a strong believer in you get out what you put in. If you work to get an education, try your best, go through school, university and beyond then you can get a decent job, work hard and live a happy life. It's the pursuit of happiness. It is not guarenteed. You have to put in the effort to achieve it.
That's easier said than done. If you're poor you don't get a good education which means you get into crime and having kids at a young age which means you don't get a good job and stay poor beginning the cycle again. Universal education is an investment by the government into the economy of the future
   
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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 06:17 PM

From what I've read, "Socialism" has become the new opposition buzz-word to describe the Obama administration. In true American stupidityspirit, they're using it as a synonyme for "Communism"

Too late to tell, methinks. Every government's priority is getting out of the recession ASAP - the rest is secondary.
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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 07:12 PM

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That's easier said than done. If you're poor you don't get a good education which means you get into crime and having kids at a young age which means you don't get a good job and stay poor beginning the cycle again. Universal education is an investment by the government into the economy of the future
100% Agreed

America isn't half as 'bad' as much of Europe. We are still among the most conservative nations in the world. Honestly I just want to move to Sweden, or at least let New England break away from America
   
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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 08:28 PM

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That's easier said than done. If you're poor you don't get a good education which means you get into crime and having kids at a young age which means you don't get a good job and stay poor beginning the cycle again. Universal education is an investment by the government into the economy of the future
"Getting into crime" is a choice. It doesn't just happen to someone. My mother grew up in homes without walls where they would cook in one pot over an open fire for food. And she got out of it. She got her education and took responsibility for herself. Now, I know there are instances in which people can't do this and that's where welfare comes into play. But there is a time where one must just pick themselves up, stop blaming the world and better themself.


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Re: Socialism in America? - March 12th 2009, 09:24 PM

Lets face it, crap student - wealthy background will be able to go to uni no matter what - he's got the proper grounding in every subject. OK student - poor background won't. You have to push yourself when you're poor. None else will.
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