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Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 12:31 AM

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An Ohio couple whose teenage son was injured in a snowboarding accident has filed a lawsuit, claiming his doctors harvested his organs before he was declared dead. Eighteen-year-old Gregory Jacobs, of Bellevue, Ohio, suffered a "closed head injury" two years ago while snowboarding on a high school-sponsored ski trip in Findley Lake, N.Y. He was airlifted to Hamot Medical Center in northwestern Pennsylvania, where he died. The suit, which was filed earlier this month, claims doctors and a representative of The Center Organ Recovery & Education (CORE), a group that helps hospitals procure donated tissue, caused Gregory's death by administering medication and by removing his breathing tube. Michael and Teresa Jacobs also allege that their son had not been formally declared brain dead when surgeons began the transplant procedure. Hamot and CORE deny any wrongdoing. Hamot says, "The care that Gregory received throughout his course of treatment at Hamot following the severe head trauma he sustained was timely, appropriate and well-documented. Proper consent was received in order for his organs to be donated and the protocols that were followed were consistent with all established donation procedures. Any claims otherwise are completely baseless. ... We will vigorously defend against any accusations of wrongdoing." A statement from CORE reads in part, "As in all donation cases, CORE followed all regulated medical protocols in the case of Gregory Jacobs. The allegations against CORE are baseless and untrue." On The Early Show Monday, co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez remarked to Michael and Teresa that many people would find it "preposterous" that a hospital would intentionally kill a young man for his organs. "Well, it's not," Michael said. Asked why he believes it, Michael resplied, "Because they did. I know they did, by the evidence of what my wife has told me." Teresa says, "The records indicated that they started harvesting procedures including the incision when he was alive. And he was not even pronounced dead until 29 minutes later. That's pretty shocking." The Jabobs' attorney, Dennis Boyle added, "Our experts are telling us that, had his organs not been taken, he may very well have survived and recovered from this accident." When Rodriguez noted that, "The hospital will tell you that they did everything on the up-and-up. ... They say Greg met the criteria for death technically." "That simply is not the case," Boyle responded. "Even the hospital's own records show that he had brain stem function minutes before he was taken to the operating room to have his organs removed. He never met the criteria for brain dead. And, in fact, he never was dead or brain dead. You know, it is shocking, but I saw the hospital statements, and the only thing we can say is we're looking forward to going into court and presenting this evidence." "To be fair," Rodriguez said, "I should say that the district attorney's investigation concluded that nothing criminal was done. The Center of Organ Recovery insists that they followed all the protocols. There seems to be, from all the investigations, no criminal liability. So why are you so strongly pursuing this?" Because," Teresa answered, "I believe that's false." What does she hope will come of this? "I would like to see the ones that are responsible for Greg's killing be held responsible," Teresa said. Michael, who signed the consent form, recalled for Rodriguez that, "They tell you that your son's brain dead and that his organs can be used for children. It's a process that they use to convince you. When you feel there's no hope or you're told that there's just absolutely no hope and that he will be dead in so many hours, you know, I decided to sign the paper for organ donation. I signed that alone. My wife had no part of that." Asked what message he has for other parents who may find themselves in that Situation, Michael said simply, "Don't do it. No one -- I found this out after O King that -- no human on Earth has the right to tell someone else they can take somebody's organs. No piece of paper should ever be allowed. If that person isn't a donor, isn't signed up to be a donor, there should be no question about it."
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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 01:50 AM

Ohmygod.....thats terrible.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 02:29 AM

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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 02:37 AM

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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 02:40 AM

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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 03:15 AM

Brain stem activity doesn't necessarily show that he is isn't brain dead.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 03:45 AM

What happened to Gregory Jacobs is terrible. And unfortunately, that's not the first time a patient's imminent death has been "rushed" just so doctors can harvest organs. While I am all for helping others, this is why I'm not so sure if I'm all for being an organ donor.

What shocks me: "Our experts are telling us that, had his organs not been taken, he may very well have survived and recovered from this accident." That is extremely shocking to me. I've heard of this happening before, but only in situations in which it was evident that the victim had no chance of recovery. It is horrible that Gregory Jacobs died, when there is a possibility that he could have lived.

Organ harvesting is always a sticky situation: specifically, when do you harvest the organs? The quicker the organs are harvested, the better chance the transplants have of succeeding.

Gregory Jacobs should not have died. It is a tragedy that he died. But I don't think he died in vain, at the very least. His organs probably saved several lives.

Any time a potential organ donor is almost dead, I assume it must be a horrible choice for doctors to make. If they "rush" the death of the donor (which I, personally, do not condone), they could salvage organs to save the lives of, say, five other patients. If they wait for the donor to die naturally, his or her organs may not be usable (remember that there can't be much time between when the organs are harvested and when they must be transplanted), and it's also possible that the potential recipients of the organs could die before they received the organs.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 03:48 AM

I don't know the father's last statement kinda upsets me. I mean what if the victim is too young to have registered as an organ donor, their organs can still do a lot of good. I get that he's upset but I'm with Hyper Sonic, waiting it out.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 04:07 AM

I really hope this isn't true. If it is, that's absolutely horrible.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 04:21 AM

If the kid's going to be braindead, might as well "harvest his organs" and give some other person who may be able to live and function a chance.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 05:26 AM

Well, I sure hope not.
   
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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 06:34 AM

I really hope the parents are just grieving and making this up. If this is true, then that's just horrid.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 06:45 PM

That better not be true! That's awful if it is.
   
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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 06:49 PM

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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 07:23 PM

A skeptical man once told me that he'll never become an organ donor because they "rush" you to die if you are actually dying. I don't actually believe that, but yeah, that's horrible.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 09:00 PM

I hope this isn't true. One of the things they teach us in school is that they don't "rush" your death, they wait until you die. Stories like this are really going to hurt the potential organ donors. It's going to scare people away, making it worse for others. However, if this really happened I don't think they should be silenced about it.


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Re: Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - March 17th 2009, 09:03 PM

As much as people say that they don't "rush" your death i still have my concerns. That said, i'll willingly give all my organs when i die.

This though, is shocking if it's true.


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