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"Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 04:51 PM

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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 05:18 PM

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"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane headed to Yaounde, Cameroon, where he will begin a seven-day pilgrimage on the continent. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."


How can it increase the problem? :/

Anyway. Obviously distributing condoms will not stop AIDS from spreading entirely, but i can't see how he can suggest it won't help.


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 05:29 PM

lol, what a bunch of BS. While i would personaly not choose to have sex with someone who had aids (even with a condom, because its not worth the risk. its one thing for it to break when you're with your partner, and you know they're clean, you just have to go get plan B, but i'm not risking it) i don't see why encouraging condom use would in any way spread AIDS more. Humans are built to have sexual desires. the vast majority of people will indulge in this desire. Sexual urges are second only to hunger in human nature, sex is important to the survival of the species, we are programed to have sex. there is no stopping it for the vast majority of people. distributing condoms and educating them about sex and their bodies and the use of condoms will help the AIDS fight way more then any body telling them not to have sex.



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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 06:21 PM



Condoms obviously aren't the answer in the AIDS fight, but they have to be one of the answers! There's no way they can make the problem any worse.
In all fairness, people are more likely to agree to use condoms than to abstain...
   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 07:48 PM

The abstinence-only propaganda that the Pope has been repeating since he took office has been proven wrong time and time again. Apparently, though, Christians aren't very good at abandoning beliefs when they are proven to be unsupported by evidence.
   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 08:53 PM

^Dude the Pope is Catholic, you've got to be careful with incorrect comments like that because people who would oppose you latch on to anything they can.

Anyway no offense to anyone but the Pope's not that logical of a guy. He's obviously wrong and it's sad but oh well, I highly doubt his opinion is gonna stop Africans from using condoms.


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 08:57 PM

I don't agree with that. He really needs to open his eyes and see what is actually going on. People are going to have sex and if you can't stop it, you might as well protect them in some form or fashion.


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 09:03 PM

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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 09:26 PM

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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 10:43 PM

" "You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane heading to Yaounde. "On the contrary, it increases the problem." ... "It is here that the church can make a contribution," he said. " .

I'll give him credit for saying condoms are not the answer. However, I fail to see how they increase the problem because they help battle against it. Well, I don't think logical debating is his strong point. He has to open his eyes, take the bible and nonsense ideas away for just a few minutes and actually think long and hard (the part where he is failing miserably at regarding this issue).
   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 10:51 PM

Blind religion trumps logic yet again.



Condoms cannot possibly make the problem worse. That's just illogical, backwards thinking.


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 17th 2009, 11:04 PM

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He's a 81 year old guy... Don't expect him to sympathize...


Yes, condoms are not the answer to this huge problem, but so isn't just ignoring reality & basic human sexual desires = preaching abstinence only (when studies have shown time & time again = IT DOES NOT WORK because people do not abstain) + spreading myths & propaganda against condom use... Um... correction... that's part of the problem...


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 18th 2009, 01:44 AM

I read that somewhere else, it's actually funny, to me. Maybe the Pope thinks that Condoms cause in increase in sexual activity, which could cause AIDS to spread, if the condom broke or something. I personally just think that's dumb. Condoms won't cure AIDS, but they won't make it worse either.


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 18th 2009, 05:04 AM

*facepalm* (I actually did that, while watching the news with my grandmother.)



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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 18th 2009, 07:09 PM

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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 18th 2009, 08:27 PM

Damn that old woman was really attacking those protesters. I say Congrats to the protesters though they certainly had guts to do that.


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 18th 2009, 10:55 PM

Sounds like Religion is keeping things going well. Keeping their malnourished, but completely devout and unquestioning, Africans in order. The worse things are in Africa, the more unquestioning believers there will be. Why would the Catholic Church want this to change? They lost this back when Europe rose out of the Dark Ages, Africa is their new holding ground.



   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 01:03 AM

Yes, another example of religion at its most dangerous and destructive. Lovely.
   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 02:02 AM

I agree that condoms aren't the answer to fighting AIDs but it's the only defense we have thus far cause I mean come on abstinence just isn't reasonable. I mean people have needs



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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 11:35 AM

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I agree that condoms aren't the answer to fighting AIDS but it's the only defense we have thus far cause I mean come on abstinence just isn't reasonable. I mean people have needs
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 04:12 PM

Pssh the Pope has enough recruits, he can stop now.

To be honest this underlines the idiocy of Catholicism but then AIDS is more forward thinking
   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 04:28 PM

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HAHA sinners have more fun (as long as they don't get AIDS) wear condoms kids!!!



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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 04:50 PM

Oh, yet another thing to add to the list of awful sins in the Catholic world.
If you use a Condom, you're a sinner.
If you get pregnant when you're not married, sinner.
If you have an abortion because you got pregnant, sinner.
So if apparently it's terrible to use Condoms, they're only setting themselves up for way more abortions, right? So, they still won't get what they want. And then they'll go make up some other stupid crap that only drives everyone crazy.

It's not the popes job to tell us what is and what's not the cure for AIDS, he just has to wear that annoying little hat thing and sit there and look important.





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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 04:53 PM

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Oh, yet another thing to add to the list of awful sins in the Catholic world.
If you use a Condom, you're a sinner.
If you get pregnant when you're not married, sinner.
If you have an abortion because you got pregnant, sinner.
So if apparently it's terrible to use Condoms, they're only setting themselves up for way more abortions, right? So, they still won't get what they want. And then they'll go make up some other stupid crap that only drives everyone crazy.

It's not the popes job to tell us what is and what's not the cure for AIDS, he just has to wear that annoying little hat thing and sit there and look important.
And kill all the Jews. Actually scratch that, he's not in the Hitler Youth any more.

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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 05:14 PM

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Yep. Funny that they say "don't worship false God's," but people seriously almost treat the pope as if he really is God. Watch people seriously stop wearing condoms now when they have sex and aren't planning to have kids. As if God really said this himself? uhuh... sure.

& No duh it's not the official CURE to AIDS, does he think we're that idiotic?





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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 07:12 PM

Catholic church never makes any sense.

They don't let people have abortions, yet they don't let them use condoms. They really think they can stop people having sex?

They need to wake up and realize things have changed a little.
   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 07:34 PM

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If you use a Condom, you're a sinner.
If you get pregnant when you're not married, sinner.
If you have an abortion because you got pregnant, sinner.
So if apparently it's terrible to use Condoms, they're only setting themselves up for way more abortions, right? So, they still won't get what they want. And then they'll go make up some other stupid crap that only drives everyone crazy.

It's not the popes job to tell us what is and what's not the cure for AIDS, he just has to wear that annoying little hat thing and sit there and look important.
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 10:08 PM

Abstinance is obviously the best cure because the disease would cease to spread... but giving condoms is needed as well because not everyonen will follow abstinence


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 19th 2009, 11:40 PM

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Oh no! Condoms are like the green light for people to have sex & that it's OK! That is just an atrocity & the result of our perverse society! Making it look like as if such bad behavior does not have consequence; when in REALITY* AIDS as well as other STDS are God's punishment for the sinful behaviors.



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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 20th 2009, 01:43 AM

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^Dude the Pope is Catholic, you've got to be careful with incorrect comments like that because people who would oppose you latch on to anything they can.

Anyway no offense to anyone but the Pope's not that logical of a guy. He's obviously wrong and it's sad but oh well, I highly doubt his opinion is gonna stop Africans from using condoms.
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Sounds like Religion is keeping things going well. Keeping their malnourished, but completely devout and unquestioning, Africans in order. The worse things are in Africa, the more unquestioning believers there will be. Why would the Catholic Church want this to change? They lost this back when Europe rose out of the Dark Ages, Africa is their new holding ground.
I feel like I need to inject here because you two have no clue about Christianity or Catholicism work. Yes, Catholicism is a version of Christianity, but all its practices are not generalizable to Christianity as a whole.

Catholics do not believe in using any form of Contraception other than natural contraception. They believe in using timing and similar methods in order to prevent pregnancy. Of course, as do pretty much all Christians, they disagree with abortion and pregnancy out of wedlock. However, it needs to be made clear that not all Christians believe that using contraceptives is a bad idea. In fact, I'd tend to believe that many Christian missionaries in Africa agree with using condoms and disagree with the Pope.

So please, before you go just spouting off uninformed opinions, do some research.

Oh and religion isn't the problem here. There are plenty of informed religious people. Don't just assume that because someone is religious that it means that they have no brain matter.
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 20th 2009, 01:34 PM

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I feel like I need to inject here because you two have no clue about Christianity or Catholicism work. Yes, Catholicism is a version of Christianity, but all its practices are not generalizable to Christianity as a whole.

Catholics do not believe in using any form of Contraception other than natural contraception. They believe in using timing and similar methods in order to prevent pregnancy. Of course, as do pretty much all Christians, they disagree with abortion and pregnancy out of wedlock. However, it needs to be made clear that not all Christians believe that using contraceptives is a bad idea. In fact, I'd tend to believe that many Christian missionaries in Africa agree with using condoms and disagree with the Pope.

So please, before you go just spouting off uninformed opinions, do some research.
So I'm sure that you'll be able to point out the point at which I said that all Christians are against contraception. Or at least you'd be able to if I'd actually said anything of the sort. What I said was that all Christians hold irrational beliefs. If you can find me a Christian who doesn't believe in God, I'll retract that statement.

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And yes, religion is the problem. The Pope's anti-condom campaign is directly responsible for the deaths of many people (especially in Africa) from AIDS, where many religious leaders take what he has to say seriously, and his reasoning behind it is motivated entirely by religion.
   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 31st 2009, 05:30 PM

The Catholic Church is against artificial contraception, lets establish that first of all, along with the fact that abstinence until marriage is what is considered correct in Christianity, with that said, I will try to make Pope Benedict XVI's stance understandable to you guys. Handing out condoms does not promote abstinence, it actually encourages sexual promiscuity because people think they are "safe" from contracting STD's or getting pregnant the problem is condoms are not 100% effective, and people often do not use them correctly. And so if people think they are safe, they see no risk in having sex with multiple partners and treating sex like a recreational activity, which thereby increases the problem when inevitably people don't use their contraception correctly and contract diseases like HIV. The only true way to solve the AIDS problem is by encouraging abstinence. If you don't have sex until marriage, and your future spouse does not have sex until marriage, you won't contract sexually transmitted diseases like HIV. I hope I at least made it easier for you guys to understand.
   
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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 31st 2009, 07:25 PM

Here is an interesting argument supporting the Pope's sentiments:
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When Pope Benedict XVI commented this month that condom distribution isn't helping, and may be worsening, the spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa, he set off a firestorm of protest. Most non-Catholic commentary has been highly critical of the pope. A cartoon in the Philadelphia Inquirer, reprinted in The Post, showed the pope somewhat ghoulishly praising a throng of sick and dying Africans: "Blessed are the sick, for they have not used condoms."
Yet, in truth, current empirical evidence supports him.

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Let me quickly add that condom promotion has worked in countries such as Thailand and Cambodia, where most HIV is transmitted through commercial sex and where it has been possible to enforce a 100 percent condom use policy in brothels (but not outside of them). In theory, condom promotions ought to work everywhere. And intuitively, some condom use ought to be better than no use. But that's not what the research in Africa shows.
Why not?


One reason is "risk compensation." That is, when people think they're made safe by using condoms at least some of the time, they actually engage in riskier sex.


Another factor is that people seldom use condoms in steady relationships because doing so would imply a lack of trust. (And if condom use rates go up, it's possible we are seeing an increase of casual or commercial sex.) However, it's those ongoing relationships that drive Africa's worst epidemics. In these, most HIV infections are found in general populations, not in high-risk groups such as sex workers, gay men or persons who inject drugs. And in significant proportions of African populations, people have two or more regular sex partners who overlap in time. In Botswana, which has one of the world's highest HIV rates, 43 percent of men and 17 percent of women surveyed had two or more regular sex partners in the previous year.
It is even more interesting that Catholics tend to be more liberal on topics of abortion, non-martial sex, etc. than non-Christians according to a recent Gallup poll (this is in response to Manarius' reply).


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Re: "Condoms Not the Answer in AIDS Fight" - March 31st 2009, 10:17 PM

It doesn't take a pope to know that sexual abstinence is the best way to prevent AIDS. But we're all human, and I'm the most stubborn of them.
   
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