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Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 7th 2011, 07:32 AM



"A gunman packing an AK-47 assault rifle opened fire inside a Nevada IHOP Tuesday, shooting 12 people - five of them National Guardsmen, officials and witnesses said.

Four people were killed: three uniformed National Guardsmen and a civilian woman.

After his rampage at the Carson City pancake joint near the state Capitol, the gunman fatally shot himself in the head.

He was identified as 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City. Records show he worked in his family's grocery store in nearby South Lake Tahoe, Ca.

His motive remained unknown, but witnesses said he appeared to target a back table in the restaurant full of National Guardsmen.

"They were sitting all the way in the back," said Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong. "He traveled all the way through the restaurant. He did not open fire until he got to the dining area."

Furlong said Sencion's family told cops he had "mental health issues" but he did not elaborate.

He said nothing in Sencion's behavior the night before the rampage gave his family reason to believe anything was amiss.

He had no criminal record, cops said.

Sencion was not a Guardsman and Major April Conway of the Nevada National Guard said his name was unknown to the military.

He was not a regular at the restaurant and waitresses did not recognize him, Furlong said.


KRNV-TV in Carson City reported that witnesses inside the restaurant said Sencion appeared "fixated" on the table of Guardsmen and spent most of his bullets there.

"We are actively pursuing an investigation on the motive," Furlong said.

Witness Ralph Swagler who owns a barbecue restaurant next to the IHOP, told the Reno Gazette-Journal he saw the gunman pull up in a blue minivan around 9 a.m.

He said the gunman shot what he thought was a man on a motorcycle, then walked inside the IHOP.

Furlong said a woman was found wounded near a bike in the IHOP parking lot.

After several minutes, Swagler said the gunman reemerged into the strip mall parking lot and began firing at his eatery, Locals Barbecue, and an H&R Block storefront.


"He spun around in the parking lot shooting," Furlong said.

"Most of the businesses in a 360 degree turn have been damaged."

Then Sencion turned his gun on himself.

Swagler told the Reno paper he had a handgun and could have tried to kill the gunman, but was afraid to open fire because the shooter had a powerful automatic rifle.

The nearby Nevada capitol, governor's office and supreme court were locked down as a precaution, and National Guard facilities were put on high alert.

Conway said the loss of a guardsman - whether in the heat of battle or over a harmless plate of flapjacks - hurts the same.

"We feel it the same no matter what circumstances in which they died," she said."



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"Sencion was born in Mexico... At the time, Sencion reported having $200 spread over three bank accounts and $923 in disability income, mostly from Social Security."

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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 7th 2011, 08:02 AM

I read about this. We need better mental health screening when ti comes to purchasing firearms. I mean, he's on a fucking disability, how did this not come up during the background check?

(Unless it was one of those guns the ATF forced the US to sell to Mexican Cartels in operation Fast and Furious... genius, if that's the case.)


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 7th 2011, 10:44 PM

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I read about this. We need better mental health screening when ti comes to purchasing firearms. I mean, he's on a fucking disability, how did this not come up during the background check?

(Unless it was one of those guns the ATF forced the US to sell to Mexican Cartels in operation Fast and Furious... genius, if that's the case.)

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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 8th 2011, 09:59 AM

That's abolsutely disgusting. That guy deserves to be ounnished severely.


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 8th 2011, 04:57 PM

I'm not sure I see the relevance in emphasising his immigrant status in the thread title - they hardly hold a monopoly on shootings, after all, and it does come across as a tad xenophobic. Other than that, mental illness is a valid form of disability and it says more about the background checks for firearms than anything that this was not picked up.

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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 8th 2011, 06:48 PM

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I'm not sure I see the relevance in emphasising his immigrant status in the thread title - they hardly hold a monopoly on shootings, after all, and it does come across as a tad xenophobic. Other than that, mental illness is a valid form of disability and it says more about the background checks for firearms than anything that this was not picked up.
I get the feeling that thread titles often reveal exactly where someone stands on the topic, before you even read the main post.




   
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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 8th 2011, 08:00 PM

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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 8th 2011, 09:57 PM

I fail to see how the man's immigration status has anything to do with what happened.
And the ATF incident will hardly be the downfall of Obama.

I really hope the investigation can tell why he targeted that group of people specifically.


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 03:17 AM

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I fail to see how the man's immigration status has anything to do with what happened.
I agree, why does it matter if he's an immigrant or not?


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 03:21 AM

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I agree, why does it matter if he's an immigrant or not?
Three things...
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  3. Why are we giving immigrants welfare? (That indirectly funded the shooting)


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I don't think so, sure it was a failure, but I don't think it'll end up in his lap, most likely it'll just end up embarrassing the ATF, and possible the border Patrol.


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 03:22 AM

Yeah, did no one look at who started the thread? I mean, c'mon




   
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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 03:28 AM

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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 03:28 AM

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How did some uneducated immigrant purchase an assault rifle?
He had no previous criminal record, he had the money to purchase one, so he did. Some retailers are more lax while some are more strict.

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They could've been the easiest target to him. He could have shot them out of opportunity, or targeted them to increase the grieving for their deaths.

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Was he legal? Then he's a Citizen. So we were giving a Citizen welfare.


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 03:33 AM

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What would be the benefit of increasing the sympathy for their deaths? Out of opportunity, maybe? But witnesses said he specifically made his was to their table, not shooting any of the other patrons, except for the one woman who was caught in the crossfire.


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 03:35 AM

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What would be the benefit of increasing the sympathy for their deaths? Out of opportunity, maybe? But witnesses said he specifically made his was to their table, not shooting any of the other patrons, except for the one woman who was caught in the crossfire.
Then maybe he didn't like the National Guard. He did have mental problems after all.



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Not if he was Naturalized, which this article doesn't mention if he was either or.


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 05:39 AM

I have to say, you guys are doing much better than CNN on this topic. They immediately started a DEATH WIELDING COP KILLING BABY SKULL SEEKING PLANE DESTROYING WEAPON OF DEADLY DEATH special on the cheap Chinese knockoff rifle he was using, and ignored almost every other facet of the damn story.

Anyway, I don't think he actually had a mental health issue. It was way too directed, he knew exactly was he was doing.


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 06:57 AM

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Anyway, I don't think he actually had a mental health issue. It was way too directed, he knew exactly was he was doing.
I rarely watch CNN anymore, I usually read the local newspaper, well I get it free because my father is an employee, but either way they generally present a balanced view of most things.


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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 01:06 PM

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@Megan: The gunman himself is also dead.
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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 03:36 PM

As the girlfriend of a National Guardsman (in Illinois), this story really hits home.

Disgusting.

I'm sure they did not have him fully diagnosed with any mental health issues, which would be why he had a AK-47, or he just bought the weapon from a retail store that didn't give two shits. Guess that will teach people who sell guns to people think twice a little bit. But, then again, wishful thinking.

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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 9th 2011, 07:14 PM

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Re: Immigrant Murders Two Soldiers and a Woman - September 12th 2011, 04:52 PM

Some guy shoots some other guys. How thoroughly irregular. For me the "what's wrong with this picture" is how people turn anything like this into more fuel for their personal propagnda machines, whether that be pro-gun, anti-gun, anti-immigrant, anti-welfare, anti-IHOP, or whatever. Stay classy, Guile.


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