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Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 01:36 AM

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CHICHESTER, N.H. (March 18) - Angry residents of a small central New Hampshire town are demanding that authorities remove a convicted child killer from their community.


More than 200 residents of Chichester packed a town selectmen's meeting Tuesday, most of them calling for Raymond Guay's removal during about two hours of emotional testimony. Many parents said their children can't sleep and are afraid to play outside.



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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 01:51 AM

As much as I don't agree with what he did, and it makes me cringe, he served his time. He was released on parole so the jail obviously felt he had done his time. Leave the man alone.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 01:57 AM

I think he should be allowed to live where ever he wants. He's got to live somewhere.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 02:42 AM

At least you know he is a killer. Force him to move and he might not notify the authorities to avoid situations like this.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 02:43 AM

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I say let him stay. He served his time, leave him alone. If the government says he can live there, then he can live there.
Did you not read the long list of charges and convictions? I'd be terrified to have my children anywhere within ten miles of this man. The residents have every right to be angry over this.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 02:43 AM

Nah, he's fine to stay. I know of at least three of four convicted sex offenders in my town, but we don't rally to stop them? Why, because I honestly think all of them are harmless now.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 06:18 AM

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Couldn't agree more, they have every right to be angry. However, he, as a human, has a right to live somewhere. If he chooses that place to live in, he's breaking no laws doing so, therefore, he is allowed to.
   
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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 06:22 AM

Government are separate from society. Society will run you out, if you're not conformed. The world is, even still, a lot like high school.



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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 06:25 AM

Personally, I wouldn't want him in my town or the next town over. I don't care how much time he served, you can't change what he did. The question is where to put him, being that he was already released.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 06:44 AM

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Personally, I wouldn't want him in my town or the next town over. I don't care how much time he served, you can't change what he did. The question is where to put him, being that he was already released.
Agreed, you cannot change what he did. But why not get a repeated thief to be told to go to the next town over? They can steal millions, ruin your life, put you on the streets.

If he wants to go to a town, then let him. Everyone has done bad things, nobody is inexusable. It's picking at which crimes society doesn't like. It's much like high school, only many people are older. Same mentality though. As said in highschool, grow up.
   
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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 06:52 AM

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Agreed, you cannot change what he did. But why not get a repeated thief to be told to go to the next town over? They can steal millions, ruin your life, put you on the streets.

If he wants to go to a town, then let him. Everyone has done bad things, nobody is inexusable. It's picking at which crimes society doesn't like. It's much like high school, only many people are older. Same mentality though. As said in highschool, grow up.
I don't think it's picking at crimes. There's is a major difference between killing someone and stealing. Everyone has faults, but not everyone murders people.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 11:44 AM

Wait... maybe those poor children can't sleep at nights BECAUSE YOU DAMN PARENTS DON'T SHUT UP ABOUT THE GUY & SCARE THE LIVNG DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THEM?!

How about just saying "Don't come/follow/play/etc with strangers" & not get the poor kids paranoid...

As much as I do understand the folks, they are still assholes; this kind of inhumane treatment is what drives people to commit crimes.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 04:15 PM

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Government are separate from society. Society will run you out, if you're not conformed. The world is, even still, a lot like high school.
Couldn't agree more. The government may say he can live there but society can make his life unbearable so he has to move.

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Wait... maybe those poor children can't sleep at nights BECAUSE YOU DAMN PARENTS DON'T SHUT UP ABOUT THE GUY & SCARE THE LIVNG DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THEM?!

How about just saying "Don't come/follow/play/etc with strangers" & not get the poor kids paranoid...

As much as I do understand the folks, they are still assholes; this kind of inhumane treatment is what drives people to commit crimes.
Because fear is the best method of control. Just as fear of terrorism let the Patriot Act though, fear of getting shot means that the kids will do whatever you say
   
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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 04:34 PM

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Wait... maybe those poor children can't sleep at nights BECAUSE YOU DAMN PARENTS DON'T SHUT UP ABOUT THE GUY & SCARE THE LIVNG DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THEM?!

LOL, I quite agree. That's just was I was going to say.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 05:10 PM

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Because fear is the best method of control. Just as fear of terrorism let the Patriot Act though, fear of getting shot means that the kids will do whatever you say
I haven't looked at it from that perspective... Though I do not see the parents trying to push laws onto children as a means of control + I doubt most of the parents enjoy the kid whimpering all the time & being afraid to go out... So I'm not sure how it relates to "fear used as a control tool" scenario.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 05:13 PM

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I haven't looked at it from that perspective... Though I do not see the parents trying to push laws onto children as a means of control + I doubt most of the parents enjoy the kid whimpering all the time & being afraid to go out... So I'm not sure how it relates to "fear used as a control tool" scenario.
"Don't go outside or the murderer may do nasty things to you" is an excellent way to make someone do the chores for example.
Not to mention that if adults today impregnate fear within their children such a law preventing such criminals near children could well pass in the next generation
   
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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 06:30 PM

Sure, the town has every right to be angry but he also has every right to live where he wants (within the bounds of his parole) in peace.

The book (and movie) Little Children is partially about a sex offender that is harassed by town watchgroups trying to get him to move out. At one point, he goes to the pool during a really hot day and everyone there freaks out and the cops are called to kick him out. He says, "I just wanted to cool off!"

I believe people have the right to know if there is a sex offender around but no right to harass him/her.

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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 07:05 PM

I don't condone what he did. He did a horrible thing, but he served his time and they need to accept it.

I mean, how the hell do they think making him move out is going to help?

He'll have to move to some other town. And if they don't want him living there, is he going to be made move again? It's not realistic in the slightest.

He has just as much right to live there as they do. Their behavior is horrible.

And why do you think the kids are scared so much? Because their parents made them that way. They can only blame themselves.
   
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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 07:41 PM

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I think the problem is that people will treat those ex*-criminals differently if they know, whether it's actual harassment or just trying to stay away from them.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 07:46 PM

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How about just saying "Don't come/follow/play/etc with strangers" & not get the poor kids paranoid...

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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 07:48 PM

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I don't condone what he did. He did a horrible thing, but he served his time and they need to accept it.

I mean, how the hell do they think making him move out is going to help?

He'll have to move to some other town. And if they don't want him living there, is he going to be made move again? It's not realistic in the slightest.

He has just as much right to live there as they do. Their behavior is horrible.

And why do you think the kids are scared so much? Because their parents made them that way. They can only blame themselves.
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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 19th 2009, 11:37 PM

On the one hand, I know I myself would be afraid if there were a convicted murderer living near me. But on the other, I'm very pro-rehabilitation for criminals, no matter what their crime was. The only alternative to not allowing the rehabilitation of a criminal is to imprison them until they're dead, or to administer the death penalty, neither of which I agree with. After coming out of 20 years of prison, and being watched like a hawk by parole officers and the community at large, I think it's doubtful he would risk anything stupid.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 20th 2009, 12:05 AM

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On the one hand, I know I myself would be afraid if there were a convicted murderer living near me. But on the other, I'm very pro-rehabilitation for criminals, no matter what their crime was. The only alternative to not allowing the rehabilitation of a criminal is to imprison them until they're dead, or to administer the death penalty, neither of which I agree with. After coming out of 20 years of prison, and being watched like a hawk by parole officers and the community at large, I think it's doubtful he would risk anything stupid.
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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 20th 2009, 12:21 AM

They can't really do anything about it. These kinds of people have to live somewhere. All the more reason for them to keep a better eye on their kids, I think. If you watch you children, there shouldn't be a problem.


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Re: Town Wants Child Killer To Move Out - March 20th 2009, 04:29 AM

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Wait... maybe those poor children can't sleep at nights BECAUSE YOU DAMN PARENTS DON'T SHUT UP ABOUT THE GUY & SCARE THE LIVNG DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THEM?!

How about just saying "Don't come/follow/play/etc with strangers" & not get the poor kids paranoid...

As much as I do understand the folks, they are still assholes; this kind of inhumane treatment is what drives people to commit crimes.
hehe, this seems to be pretty accurate.

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They can't really do anything about it. These kinds of people have to live somewhere. All the more reason for them to keep a better eye on their kids, I think. If you watch you children, there shouldn't be a problem.
Well, there's a problem with this. First, they can do something about it, and if he has some sense (assuming something actually happens to him), then he could theoretically sue.

But, the other part about watching the children, as much sense as that does make, I doubt that they'd resort to using that much common sense =/
   
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