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The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 20th 2011, 04:42 PM

Colonel Gaddafi has been confirmed dead. Really, I don't have much to say on the matter but I'm sure some people here will. "He wasn't given a trial" etc.

Associated Press have just reported that he was captured alive and wounded. If he was found dead after an assault, I think I would be indifferent. That he was found alive and then killed...that makes me uncomfortable.




   
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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 20th 2011, 04:52 PM

He was probably going to be sentenced to death regardless. At least this way he can't be turned into a martyr by constant news coverage and rally his loyalists against people.


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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 20th 2011, 05:51 PM

Admittedly the details from the ground are pretty shaky at present, but for me this has the hallmarks of what happened to Nicolae Ceauşescu in Romania back in 1989. I hope it isn't like that, because much as that man (like Gaddafi) did some horrible things it was still a grave violation of justice, but I must say I take no real comfort from knowing he is dead. If anything, I echo Scott's view that it makes me feel uncomfortable. The NTC will have to be very careful as to how they go about things now if they're going to prevent this turning into a powderkeg, which is the last thing Libya needs right now.


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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 20th 2011, 11:21 PM

Death's too good for people like him.


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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 23rd 2011, 09:06 AM

He was a horrible dictator, his own people stood up to him and ended his reign of terror and the horrible things he did, he did not deserve any trail what so ever.
   
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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 23rd 2011, 09:14 AM

Oh god. I have to be the one to say it.

...Rest in Peace.

I mean, yeah, he was a horrible person, and in no way am I justifying his actions. But I do not cheer for the death of a fellow human being. I'm VERY glad he is out of power, and that Libya can now begin to build the government that they deserve and that will bring them prosperity. But his family and supporters will suffer just as our family and friends would, and I feel bad for them. So, I hope that they turn out alright, and that the people of Libya can at least build happiness now, even with all of the lives in costed. I hope that it'll be worth it, because often with civil wars like this, the same thing happens in a few years.


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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 23rd 2011, 08:28 PM

It's a pity he wasn't given a trial in court that he should have had, however, I don't feel remorse or sympathy for how his life ended. It's not simply that he held a reign of power for years during which he terrorized the country, it's also that he had chances to surrender but instead chose to flee and hide like a rat, then finally beg for mercy.


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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 23rd 2011, 08:50 PM

I'm not going to say Libya is a better place without him, because that sure as hell didn't happen with Egypt and Mubarak. I don't know enough about the NTC, but sometimes a country is better with a dictator, over a regime that cuts off clits and publicly whips citizens for speaking out against their religion.

I bet the UN told the rebels they needed to capture him and put him on trial for international war crimes. There's a Libyan doctor saying he died on the way to the hospital, and the bullet hole in his head was not a contributing factor. 'Cause now we have this:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-...adhafis-death/
   
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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 23rd 2011, 09:27 PM

Libya moved into the 21st century because of him, he wasn't as awful as made out to be.

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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 23rd 2011, 09:34 PM

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Libya moved into the 21st century because of him, he wasn't as awful as made out to be.

Rest in peace, Colonel.
Mhm... Hitler pulled Germany out of recession. I don't think that justifies anything really.


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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 23rd 2011, 11:19 PM

according to a few news sources, it sounds like the temporary Libya leader is going to make Sharia Law the basis of other laws in the country.

http://tehrantimes.com/index.php/middle-east/3853-libyan-leader-promises-to-uphold-islamic-law
   
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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 23rd 2011, 11:54 PM

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according to a few news sources, it sounds like the temporary Libya leader is going to make Sharia Law the basis of other laws in the country.

http://tehrantimes.com/index.php/middle-east/3853-libyan-leader-promises-to-uphold-islamic-law
Makes you think what the fuck was the point in all this.


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Then politics doesn't care about you either. Truth. You've got to make your voice heard, if you want to be listened to. But that's too logical for some people, so let me go a step further. Not making your voice heard, leaves other people free to hijack it by speaking on your behalf, even if they don't actually give a shit about you. That's politics. So, make your voice heard. That's not a quote from anywhere. That's just me.


   
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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 24th 2011, 04:17 AM

I think the entire US thought process on this was...

"Guys... everyone thinks were jackasses for Iraq and Afghanistan, and other stuff.... what do we do?"
"Well, what if we just went along with what everyone else wanted to do... but what do they want to get done that we don't care about?"
"Well there's some leader in Africa they want dead?"
"Yeah! Nobody will mind if we kill some African leader!"
*Bombs Libya*
   
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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 24th 2011, 04:42 PM

Unfortunate. A death of someone is also terrible, but I'm not sure why everyone is so against him. Of course he was an assbag, he was a dictator. He was corrupt, but what did he do that makes him a "terrible person"? Did he somehow kill lots of people (before they rebelled) or is it just our anti-dictator toughts flowing out? I'm just curious.

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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 24th 2011, 04:55 PM

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Did he somehow kill lots of people (before they rebelled) or is it just our anti-dictator toughts flowing out? I'm just curious.

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He ordered his military to fire on crowds of protestors. Gunships and fighter bombers and such.


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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 24th 2011, 05:44 PM

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He ordered his military to fire on crowds of protestors. Gunships and fighter bombers and such.
Again, this makes him something of an asswipe, but he only did it because he believed it was best for his country. I'm sure Al-queda terroist see North America's involvment in their affairs bad, but we believe it's for the greateter good. I mean it's fine he's dead, at least the people of Libiya are free, but he died for what he believed in, and I see that as a respectable quality, even if they were fighting for the wrong cause.

Also, his army didn't have to listen, I would put the blame on them as well. They could've just said no and stood by the protestors who would obviously apreciate the help.

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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 24th 2011, 05:52 PM

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Again, this makes him something of an asswipe, but he only did it because he believed it was best for his country. I'm sure Al-queda terroist see North America's involvment in their affairs bad, but we believe it's for the greateter good. I mean it's fine he's dead, at least the people of Libiya are free, but he died for what he believed in, and I see that as a respectable quality, even if they were fighting for the wrong cause.

Also, his army didn't have to listen, I would put the blame on them as well. They could've just said no and stood by the protestors who would obviously apreciate the help.

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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 24th 2011, 06:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLQAUUpJwU

This is pretty interesting. Nelson Mandela is apparently a huge Gaddifi supporter, which is pretty cool. I wouldn't say the people of Libya are going to be 'free' when most likely they're going to be oppressed even more. It's more of, who's the lesser of 2 evils? The UN just spent billions of dollars in a civil war, backing the side of religious extremists. They were obligated to help the protesters because of what happened, I understand, but the fact that the country is going to be worse off than before is kinda sad.
   
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Re: The Death of Colonel Gaddafi - October 24th 2011, 10:09 PM

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Are seriously going to sit there and justify BOMBING CROWDS OF UNARMED PROTESTORS?
I'm not justifying anything. I'm saying it's barbaric for us to sit here and get joy from the death of a man who died for what he believed was right.
The armymade their choice to follow his orders, the people make their choice by not disbanding the crowd. I have the feeling other users here are "seriously going to sit there and justify the MURDER OF A MAN?"

I don't think it's a shame he's dead, but he got off his ass and did what he believed was right. I just find it sad that he had to die to see the error in his ways.

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