Gay Doctors/Nurses

[Revolution]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnuPr...layer_embedded

Ummm... what?

Can anybody explain in any way what she is saying makes sense? If somebody was wearing a "bring the troops home" yellow flag pin on their uniform, would it be a problem? What's wrong with what they're doing? I'm so confused and angry!!!

[Dez]

I don't see what's so wrong with it. Does their sexuality make them good doctors? Is having a doctor/nurse who is openly LGBT caring for you going to really make you think "Oh, I'm going to be gay now?" No, it isn't. Personally, if I'm sick, I don't care if you're LGBT, straight, or something completely different as long as I know you're competent and willing to care for me. I'm glad these doctors/nurses have pride, and it is not a negative influence. I don't think that older children would really mind as long as they are being cared for, and the younger ones probably wouldn't know a lot about what LGBT is. LGBT doesn't automatically mean that they're going to do bad things with your child.
Also, I am a bisexual who wants to be a doctor someday. I don't know whether or not I want to specialize in pediatrics or not (I'm thinking about it, though), but I would probably be a bit offended if I lost a lot of my patients just because I am bisexual. I would feel as if people aren't looking at my intelligence and competence as a doctor, but at my sexuality, which shouldn't matter. It won't hinder my performance, and what a parent should really be worrying about is the quality of care their child is getting.

Sorry if that is rambling or anything.

[thebigmole]

Well she's crazy. I mean I saw the title and expected her to say stuff about a higher HIV risk or something, which while still wrong would make a little more sense. But she's talking like if your kids are around gay people they will catch gayness. She's a nutzo

[Magic.]

I can't watch because my youtube is royally screwed. I'm assuming it's someone blabbing on about not wanting openly gay doctors/nurses.
I think it's just as foolish as people who say teachers can't be openly gay. It's not freaking catching. Being gay doesn't make people any better or worse or what they do. They might even be able to help patients with issues that a straight doctor would struggle to understand ...

[Dez]

Originally Posted by Magic.

I think it's just as foolish as people who say teachers can't be openly gay. It's not freaking catching.

Yeah, I was thinking of this too. It's not like they're hurting anyone because it's not like you can be influenced to be gay. And I agree, doctors and nurses who are openly gay can definitely help children who are struggling with those issues themselves because they would have an understanding.

[Revolution]

That's what I thought! Like, what, are kids going to go "turn gay"? No! She's ridiculous.

[Sythan]

At first she claimed, "There is no evidence of anyone ever being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender". Now she's saying to keep gay and lesbian doctors and nurses away from your kids, so which is it? Do we or don't we exist?

[Loving Linux Penguin]

What ignorance that video displays!! There is zero reason whatsoever to refuse to go to a doctor who is openly LGBT. Doctors and nurses follow the same rules: regardless of sexual orientation. Doctors and nurses are NOT allowed to have sexual relations or public affection w/ or around their patients, and every one of them knows that. And let me tell you--being gay doesn't make you too stupid to realize what is and is not appropriate. She seems to be insinuating that a gay doctor or nurse would act inappropriately in a medical setting. As they say in Britain "rubbish!!". This person is SO ignorant. Ugh

[Guile]

I agree with her, I'd be uncomfortable to have a homosexual examining my child or myself.

[OMFG!You'reActuallySmart!]

If gay, lesbian, bisexual, transsexual and so forth do NOT exist, then why is the fuss about them? They don't exist... yet in that same video she makes reference to the homosexual lifestyle, which somehow is able to exist despite homosexuals not existing. I think she just violated the laws of physics. Either she is cognitively disorganized, which may very well be the case or she has contradicted herself too many times to count. Supposing she is cognitively organized, for the sake of argument, I'll ignore her statement of their non-existence. In another video, she says the gays and lesbians hate the Judeo-Christian god (which somehow also explains pro-abortion feminists and radical Islam supporters).

Her message is confusing because she is NOT saying to never use such doctors or nurses. According to her, if there is a medical emergency they could be used and the potential for spreading they gayness isn't such a paramount issue. To me, this shows she has at least some common sense.

However, if it's an ordinary check-up or being at the hospital for a non-life threatening issue, then spreading gayness is a paramount issue because somehow the coloured pin is contagious to children's minds. I suppose the doctor's or nurse's skin pores would release gay proteins into the air that are inhaled by the child or can be absorbed through the child's skin and depending how strongly the child is indoctrinated, they'll be safe. If the doctor or nurse is gay, lesbian and so forth but is evil and conspicuous by not wearing a pin then the child wouldn't be on guard to the contagious gayness so they're more likely to be infected. Oh those evil non-pin wearing gay and lesbian doctors and nurses, they fly under the radar, she should crack down on them and prove they don't exist.

I generally wouldn't care about the sexual orientation of my doctor. If I go to the hospital with a broken arm, I don't care if the nurse is bisexual, I care about getting my arm mended. If any potential future kids of mine had to see a doctor or nurse, I'd try to be by their side, however, if I wasn't and a gay or lesbian doctor examined them, I don't care. My only concern for any future children would be if the genital area is examined and I suspect the doctor or nurse is getting aroused. If they got aroused when examining my genital area, I'd wink at them and offer to go in the janitor's closet together for further examination.

However, taking everything she has said in consideration with all her contradictions and speculations, she's certifiable and madder than the Mad Hatter.

Originally Posted by Guile

I agree with her, I'd be uncomfortable to have a homosexual examining my child or myself.

Do you believe homosexuals exist?

[Loving Linux Penguin]

Care to explain why?

Originally Posted by Guile

I agree with her, I'd be uncomfortable to have a homosexual examining my child or myself.

[Revolution]

For somebody to treat me or my child, I want them to be a medical professional with a degree and a good standing. I don't care who they go home to at night, and have no idea why it would matter.

[Guile]

Originally Posted by The Man And XX Master

Do you believe homosexuals exist?

No, it was a conspiracy by the government to justify invading Libya...

Yes, they exist.

Originally Posted by Loving Linux Penguin

Care to explain why?

If a man is touching me, and is my doctor, and is heterosexual, he doesn't feel any attraction towards me, for example, I would feel uncomfurtable to have a female doctor giving me a physical (which involves me being nude). I would want to go to a heterosexual male doctor, and my wife to a heterosexual female doctor.

[JKmadu619]

I somewhat agree with Guile, if the doctors are examining people that they are attracted to, it's very, very awkward. I wouldn't want a woman dealing with pyhsical examinations, neither would I want a gay man. For anything where I can remain (mostly) clothed I don't care who is examining me. Basically as long as my butt and genitals are clothed, I don't care of your gender or sexuality. If it's that personal I want someone who can feel no sexual attraction.

In summary: If gay doctors or nurses are allowed to practice, we should be able to refuse their practice if we personally would feel sexually violated or embarassed afterwards.

- Justin

[Kate*]

I had to turn it off, that seriously pissed me off. As long as someone who is treating me or my child knows what they're doing, I don't care about their personal life. Your sexual orientation doesn't say anything about the kind of person you are or what you can or cannot do, people need to understad that. When you're being examined things are kept strictly professional regardless of who the professional is. If they're worried about gay people doing something inappropriate, that can happen regardless of the person's sexuality.

[JKmadu619]

Kate: I agree, both hetrosexual and homosexual doctors can violate a patient. But I feel my post at least outlined some of the issues people feel.

Anyhow, I don't see why/how we can prevent them from being doctors though, as long at they aren't giving physicals, they should be able to do everything a straight doctor could.

- Justin

[Lottie]

HAH! Wow...i'm really impressed that people can still think that way.

I am a nurse and I am proud to be a bisexual female within the medical setting and I will wear my LGBT NHS lanyard all the time. Just as long as we do the job effectively and well, there should not be any complaints. Being gay/lesbian does not affect your ability to perform procedures, to dispense medicine or to diagnose you etc.

The video annoyed me so much I had to switch it off half way through. Some people =/

[ReluctantPegasister]

I guess bisexuals like myself are straight (puns) out luck, then. This is from the same user who posted videos proclaiming that homosexuals can't have the same kind of healthy monogamous relationships that straight people have. Because straight people don't cheat.

[Lottie]

Originally Posted by JKmadu619

I somewhat agree with Guile, if the doctors are examining people that they are attracted to, it's very, very awkward. I wouldn't want a woman dealing with pyhsical examinations, neither would I want a gay man. For anything where I can remain (mostly) clothed I don't care who is examining me. Basically as long as my butt and genitals are clothed, I don't care of your gender or sexuality. If it's that personal I want someone who can feel no sexual attraction.

In summary: If gay doctors or nurses are allowed to practice, we should be able to refuse their practice if we personally would feel sexually violated or embarassed afterwards.

- Justin

Just because a gay male is examining your genitals does NOT mean they are attracted to you. Just like if I were to examine a female's genitals. The person we're treating is a patient...we don't care what you have downstairs just as long as we make you comfortable and well.

[chickenonsteroids]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool bitches be crazy.

That's all i have to say

[thebigmole]

Originally Posted by Lottie

Just because a gay male is examining your genitals does NOT mean they are attracted to you. Just like if I were to examine a female's genitals. The person we're treating is a patient...we don't care what you have downstairs just as long as we make you comfortable and well.

Yeah but in a way I get that though. It's why I absolutely refused to have a male gynecologist. Whether they are attracted to me or not it still makes me uncomfortable. However even if the guy is gay I still wouldn't want it. It's not the sexuality I'm concerned about I guess I'm old fashioned and I think that the only male who should see me like that is one I'm in a relationship with. Therefore it's not the sexuality of the doctor that matters but the gender. So while I understand slightly the hesitation, if the doctor's a guy no matter his sexuality he sees and deals with male parts all of the time so what's the big deal.

[Lottie]

Originally Posted by thebigmole

Yeah but in a way I get that though. It's why I absolutely refused to have a male gynecologist. Whether they are attracted to me or not it still makes me uncomfortable. However even if the guy is gay I still wouldn't want it. It's not the sexuality I'm concerned about I guess I'm old fashioned and I think that the only male who should see me like that is one I'm in a relationship with. Therefore it's not the sexuality of the doctor that matters but the gender. So while I understand slightly the hesitation, if the doctor's a guy no matter his sexuality he sees and deals with male parts all of the time so what's the big deal.

Granted...but this is about whether you'd openly refuse a gay/lesbian doctor/nurse not about your preference on what sex you'd like them to be!

[thebigmole]

Originally Posted by Lottie

Granted...but this is about whether you'd openly refuse a gay/lesbian doctor/nurse not about your preference on what sex you'd like them to be!

Oh I know I was just saying how I get where the other two posters feelings come from. While it is ridiculous to think that every gay man or gay woman is attracted to you on some level I get the uncomfortableness that can be felt. But only in cases where the examination has to be really extensive. I think it would be silly to feel uncomfortable when fully clothed, or if they are a surgeon because you'll be unconscious anyway.

[Sythan]

Having a gay doctor doesn't mean they're attracted to you.

Originally Posted by JKmadu619

Kate: I agree, both hetrosexual and homosexual doctors can violate a patient. But I feel my post at least outlined some of the issues people feel.

Anyhow, I don't see why/how we can prevent them from being doctors though, as long at they aren't giving physicals, they should be able to do everything a straight doctor could.

- Justin

As long as we aren't giving physicals? Why? Because every gay guy wants to fuck other men? Is that it? What a stupid and ridiculous thing to say.

[Bubbles37]

That video is just sick. I can't believe there are still people who are so ignorant and paranoid.

[Briana]

On the plus side, there are 182 dislikes to 24 likes on the video!

[JKmadu619]

Sythan: Don't put words in my mouth. I personally would feel awkward, it's my opinion. If it's a free country and gays should be allowed to be doctors because they're free, why are people not free to feel uncomftrable? Also, honest question time: If a man pulled out a twelve inch schlong and you have to handle a bump on it to see if it's a tumor, would you not be turned on at all? It's human nature.

Lottie: You are obviously a lot more professional than any doctor's I've ever met. It's a credit to you, regardless of sexuality, but I'm sorry to say that not all people are as honest as you.

Anyhow, even if a man goes in to an apointment with a professional attitude, a naked supermodel will throw that attitude out the window, it cannot be controlled and is simply natural attraction, it's not like I think all gays only think about having sex, and they're all rapists, molestors and sex fiends, but naturally they will be attracted by an attractive naked person (of whichever gender they like) and I feel it would be better suited for them to examine the opposite gender or find some other solution.

- Justin

[Loving Linux Penguin]

Originally Posted by Guile

If a man is touching me, and is my doctor, and is heterosexual, he doesn't feel any attraction towards me, for example, I would feel uncomfurtable to have a female doctor giving me a physical (which involves me being nude). I would want to go to a heterosexual male doctor, and my wife to a heterosexual female doctor.

I do see your point, but doctors see patients of both genders, whether they be heterosexual or homosexual, and if they are doing their job properly, they are keeping their personal feelings away from their patients, which is what they should do. Anybody not capable of this should not be a doctor at all, whether they are straight or homosexual or something else in between. Next thing we know, people will be complaining that there should be no male gynecologists...they are just as skilled at what they do, have the same training, and can also avoid being inappropriate with their patients. If I had a problem with my testicles that I felt needed to be looked at and the only available doctor was a woman or a gay man, I'd take either one. They are a doctor all the same, and if they are doing their job properly, they are entirely capable of being 100% appropriate with me. Period.

I would like to also point out that just as gay men sometimes have attraction to women, straight men also have attraction to other men, and so on.

[Sythan]

Originally Posted by JKmadu619

Sythan: Don't put words in my mouth. I personally would feel awkward, it's my opinion. If it's a free country and gays should be allowed to be doctors because they're free, why are people not free to feel uncomftrable? Also, honest question time: If a man pulled out a twelve inch schlong and you have to handle a bump on it to see if it's a tumor, would you not be turned on at all? It's human nature.

Anyhow, even if a man goes in to an apointment with a professional attitude, a naked supermodel will throw that attitude out the window, it cannot be controlled and is simply natural attraction, it's not like I think all gays only think about having sex, and they're all rapists, molestors and sex fiends, but naturally they will be attracted by an attractive naked person (of whichever gender they like) and I feel it would be better suited for them to examine the opposite gender or find some other solution.

- Justin

I didn't put words in your mouth, you said as long as we don't give physicals. Why? So, in your eyes, it's not ok for a gay man to examine another man. But if a heterosexual man examines another man, it's perfectly acceptable? If I was a doctor, and this man had a possible cancerous tumor on his penis, I wouldn't be turned on, in the slightest. That wouldn't even cross my mind at all. As a doctor, it would be my job at the present moment to ensure this mans health.

Gay men aren't attracted to every other man, or his genitalia, just like you aren't attracted to every woman you meet, or her genitalia. You may not be able to ignore attraction to get a job done, but don't pin that on the other people who can.

[Loving Linux Penguin]

Anyhow, even if a man goes in to an apointment with a professional attitude, a naked supermodel will throw that attitude out the window, it cannot be controlled and is simply natural attraction, it's not like I think all gays only think about having sex, and they're all rapists, molestors and sex fiends, but naturally they will be attracted by an attractive naked person (of whichever gender they like) and I feel it would be better suited for them to examine the opposite gender or find some other solution.

- Justin

Justin, I am sure that doctors DO experience attraction to their patients, but the point is that by the very nature that they are a doctor, they are supposed to keep it professional. You are absolutely allowed to feel uncomfortable, but I feel I should point out that just because they HAVE the attraction doesn't mean they are incapable of keeping it to themselves. Part of being a doctor is that you will see people naked, it comes with the job. But just like a straight man can keep it to himself, a gay man can keep it to himself. Their job is to make sure you are healthy, including your genitals--nothing more and nothing less.

[BDF]

I think people are set on the wrong train of thought just by the title of the video, which is a little misleading:

"Don't Use Gay Doctors"

Just that gets everyone's blood pumping and adrenaline rushing, you stop thinking straight and start twisting things in your mind already... interpreting what she's saying perhaps in slightly the wrong way.

Now... perhaps she is actually opposed to gay people, I don't know much about her at all, but what she's actually talking about in the video is them displaying their orientation, not them actually being gay. From that perspective I think all these "attachments" (not limited to gay symbolism) should be banned in the workplace, just to keep things professional. Outside the workplace, do what you feel like, it's a free country in America still (I assume... )

I do feel like perhaps she's overreacting, although I don't exactly know what this "rainbow lapel-pins" thing is. I do have a problem with people who protest and say they want to be treated like everyone else, but then go wearing pink thongs and shit like it in the high-street, supporting gay pride or whatever. That's the point at which I don't think it's about being gay any more but simply being an idiot.


On another note, I fully support equal rights and all that, but I'd feel strange if I was to be examined more intimately by a gay, male doctor. Most people might feel awkward when being examined more intimately by anyone for that matter. I can't help the feeling... it's just what it is. Feelings and emotions are rarely rational, so don't beat me down for it.

A gay GP... whom I'd go to see so he can check if I have an ear infection, and give me a prescription for it, that's fine. Certainly no issue.

[ShimmeringFaerie]

Originally Posted by JKmadu619

Anyhow, even if a man goes in to an apointment with a professional attitude, a naked supermodel will throw that attitude out the window, it cannot be controlled and is simply natural attraction, it's not like I think all gays only think about having sex, and they're all rapists, molestors and sex fiends, but naturally they will be attracted by an attractive naked person (of whichever gender they like) and I feel it would be better suited for them to examine the opposite gender or find some other solution.

- Justin

Being attracted to someone does not mean that you can't be professional around them or that you would definitely act on those feelings. And attraction can occur without either party being naked. What you are saying makes it sound like no one should be in a position of authority over someone they may be attracted to. Do you also think that teachers shouldn't be able to teach the opposite gender because they could be attracted to their students and apparently humans are incapable of controlling themselves?

I also think it is naive to assume that just because someone identifies as heterosexual means that they could obviously never be attracted to someone of the same sex.

[Guile]

Originally Posted by ShimmeringFaerie

I also think it is naive to assume that just because someone identifies as heterosexual means that they could obviously never be attracted to someone of the same sex.

Isn't a major feature of a heterosexual, not being homosexual...?

[ReluctantPegasister]

Originally Posted by Guile

Isn't a major feature of a heterosexual, not being homosexual...?

I think what ShimmeringFaerie is getting at is that not all gay men are attracted to all men, and not all straight men are attracted to all women. I apologize if that is not what she meant, however.

I add here that since there are way more male doctor then females ones, many women have primary doctors who are heterosexual and therefore are put in the same position as the afore-mentioned straight male with a gay doctor, but no one seems to protest for the women who might have their male doctors be attracted to them.

[ShimmeringFaerie]

Originally Posted by Guile

Isn't a major feature of a heterosexual, not being homosexual...?

So if a man finds another man attractive, even if he would never act on it, he is automatically homosexual? So a guy who thinks George Clooney or Brad Pitt are attractive is automatically homosexual? And the same for girls who think Rachael McAdams or other female celebrities are attractive?

Just because someone identifies as a certain sexuality or prefers to be in relationships with people of a certain sex doesn't mean that they could never, ever be attracted to someone who doesn't fit their preferences.

[Baxter]

Originally Posted by Maeve

I add here that since there are way more male doctor then females ones, many women have primary doctors who are heterosexual and therefore are put in the same position as the afore-mentioned straight male with a gay doctor, but no one seems to protest for the women who might have their male doctors be attracted to them.

I'd say the comfort level is different. I'd be less comfortable with a gay male giving me a physical exam than a straight woman. I'd be willing to bet a lot guys feel the same way.

You can't 'ban gay people' from giving physical exams just so you feel comfortable though. If you feel too uncomfortable, go see someone else - simple as that.

[Lottie]

Originally Posted by JKmadu619

Lottie: You are obviously a lot more professional than any doctor's I've ever met. It's a credit to you, regardless of sexuality, but I'm sorry to say that not all people are as honest as you.

Why thank you People may not be as honest as me- but why is that a problem? Do people have to tell you their sexuality? Or are you talking about honesty in a different way?

Originally Posted by Baxter

I'd say the comfort level is different. I'd be less comfortable with a gay male giving me a physical exam than a straight woman. I'd be willing to bet a lot guys feel the same way.

You can't 'ban gay people' from giving physical exams just so you feel comfortable though. If you feel too uncomfortable, go see someone else - simple as that.

But would you have the absolute cheek to ask them if they are gay? If they're wearing the flag- they could be a gay supporter, if they look/sound gay- they could just be camp. There is no way you could know without asking.

I know i'd feel damn right rude asking that question and I would be happy that I am receiving any form of treatment! Afterall, there are loads of people who can't afford treatment (in the US etc) or those who can't access it. Just be grateful.

[JKmadu619]

Originally Posted by Lottie

Why thank you People may not be as honest as me- but why is that a problem? Do people have to tell you their sexuality? Or are you talking about honesty in a different way?

I meant honesty as not violationg your patients and being professional. It's not really that common anymore.

- Justin

[Revolution]

Well, obviously I'm just very comfortable with people, because my gynecologist is a straight male. You know why I didn't switch? Because he is very competent at what he does. He is married with kids, I don't care that he is attracted to women, he's helping me not have vaginal diseases and give me birth control. He's awesome.

I wouldn't care if my gynecologist was a lesbian woman either. As long as they do their job. Obviously if something were to happen, I would take care of it, but nothing ever has. My straight male gynecologist is amazing, and I have no interest in switching. I don't see why their attraction would matter at all. And this isn't even her argument. Her argument is that somehow, the "gay will spread". Well, sorry for her, it doesn't work that way. Obviously parents' heterosexuality doesn't spread to their kids homosexuality. Doesn't work the other way either.

[Marguerite]

You've got to have a high opinion of yourself to think that if someone who is attracted to your gender is examining you in a medical sense, they must be fighting very hard to not jump your bones.

Especially if that medical professional is in the middle of checking some gross rash or something as equally un-sexy.