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New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:03 PM

So the UK have released there new "Hard hitting" adds
What do people think
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I wasn't sure about labelling as triggering but thought best be safe. If you're sensitive they might upset you, i don't know its up to you
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:06 PM

Well. I would say they are definetly very hard-hitting.
I think they do have the potential to be very effective if they're put in the right place, alongside the correct education that must go with the subject of bullying.
However, I do find them to be a massive trigger (not due to bullying). I know that if I was having a bad day or even if I wasn't, it's not exactly the type of thing that I'd want to see. It's possible that it's going to trigger those who are going to getting bullied and I hate to say that I fear it could even give them ideas.

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:08 PM

I think they're amazingly powerful.
A lot of people don't seem to realise that people can feel suicidal due to bullies. I hope this will change that.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:16 PM

Yes it's hard-hitting, but I think it's also very ill-advised.
It's triggering for those who are being bullied and have suicidal thoughts, but I've not come across a single bully in my life who would pay attention to posters like that.

Every bully I've come across would see something like that and find it funny, and find bullying someone even more funny. They'd see the warning and decide to try it out. It gives bullies ideas and even more cruel ambitions. Sure, if they do manage to drive someone to suicide, they may realise the consequences of their actions, but not until it actually happens closer to home.

Also, it's even more ammunition for bullies. For those who don't already say stuff related to self-harm and suicide to torment their victims, it's an idea. Can you imagine the bully who sees their victim looking at one of these posters and decides to say "Oh go on then, hang/cut yourself" and worse?

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:21 PM

They are definitely hard-hitting, that's for sure. Maybe they'll actually affect someone and show them what bullying can do.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:24 PM

they're either going to be a huge success or a complete failiure. for me, they didn't trigger anything, but i can see that they might in other people.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:30 PM

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:32 PM

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Also, it's even more ammunition for bullies. For those who don't already say stuff related to self-harm and suicide to torment their victims, it's an idea. Can you imagine the bully who sees their victim looking at one of these posters and decides to say "Oh go on then, hang/cut yourself" and worse?
That aswell. I've noted many cases where the bullying includes comments such as 'emo' 'go cut yourself' or whatever. You just have to look at some of the threads on these boards. It's already prominent though, would it be adding fuel to the fire? I'm not sure.
   
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:34 PM

I know people that would probably laugh at these. We had a SIAD (Self Injury Awareness Day) and this guy in my class laughed and made jokes all through the powerpoint presentation.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:44 PM

Eurgh. I really don't like these posters. I have friends who are very silly (for want of a better word) who self-harm not because they have had a difficult life, but for pure attention and this kinda thing would appeal to them. For the wrong reasons.

Honestly? I don't think a poster is going to make much difference. Add fuelt o the fire? Quite possibly yes.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 08:58 PM

I really wouldn't recommend these, they will do nothing but give people ideas. Eugh, they just disgust me.
   
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 09:10 PM

I think they're definitely good. Sure, they're hard-hitting and shocking, but if they weren't then people wouldn't take any notice.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 09:20 PM

I can't believe they'd put those on billboards...
There's this billboard beside a train bridge in a town near mine, and this bridge is infamous for having people kill themselves from jumping off it.
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 09:25 PM

The problem is that you can't persuade bullies to stop bullying with posters. As Silver said, they'll just use them for extra bullying material. Hell, you can't reason with them full stop, and any attempt to do so is doomed to failure.
   
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 09:27 PM

I actually think it is a good idea to put these up. They catch the attention of everyone, including people who are the ones who bully others. Maybe people don't often realize the consequences for someone else when they bully others. I think it would really make anyone who had ever bullied someone really think about what they're doing to people sometimes.





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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 10:48 PM

I fail to see what is so "hard-hitting" about these in any way. In any case, I'm on the side that it will simply increase the bullying. After all, not only can they now call someone "emo" but they can shove their face in the poster, encourage them and so forth.
   
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 10:55 PM

I'd have to say I'm against these as well. I don't think it's a good idea to give bullies more ideas- and that's just what it's doing. It even has the comments and rude remarks on the posters! If they are running low on names to call people they can just look there.
And I don't think it's doing the people who are bullied any favours either. I think a plain sign with large letters asking "Are you being bullied?" and a helpline would be more effective than reminding them of the pain they are dealing with because of those obnoxious people. Imagine being the person bullied and then going on the bus to go to the mall or have fun and then WHAM you have that reminder stuck in your face. That could really make someone's day turn for the worse. And as was stated, they are triggering for some people.

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 24th 2009, 11:20 PM

I think the posters go too far in what they portray, but then again they show what can happen to ppl who have been bullied so badly in their lives. I was bullied when i was a teen, but stopped it by taking karate. Its very good that this problem is getting ALOT of attention & that it will NOT BE TOLERATED in any shape or form. I know of 3 teens that were bullied to such extent that they commited suicide. I really wish that its presence was known more to where the schools really clamp down on it & that goes for cyberbullying & sexing too, which was big here where I live & several ppl are going to jail b/c of it.
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 25th 2009, 12:43 AM

Personally, I find these ads very triggering. However, I think that they really could be attention catching and possibly lead people to help. There will be times in your life when you will see things like this and you have got to learn to desensitize from things that trigger you.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 25th 2009, 05:02 AM

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I think the posters go too far in what they portray, but then again they show what can happen to ppl who have been bullied so badly in their lives. I was bullied when i was a teen, but stopped it by taking karate. Its very good that this problem is getting ALOT of attention & that it will NOT BE TOLERATED in any shape or form. I know of 3 teens that were bullied to such extent that they commited suicide. I really wish that its presence was known more to where the schools really clamp down on it & that goes for cyberbullying & sexing too, which was big here where I live & several ppl are going to jail b/c of it.
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 25th 2009, 01:37 PM

I actually found the posters very triggering, and then I started to read the words on them.Their just like fuel for bullies, not something that will make them stop. Maybe one or two will stop bullying because of the posters, but the majority will use this against the victims. Some bullies already tell people to go cut/kill themselves, which is very upsetting. This might make even more choose those words, or it could not. I doubt it will solve the bullying problem though.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 25th 2009, 01:55 PM

I just seen these and thought "What a stupid idea"..
I agree with the people who say this will just be fuel for the fire.
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 25th 2009, 02:44 PM

I think these have the potential to be both amazingly powerful and terribly harmful. They could send someone the right message and potentially save a life, or they could send someone the wrong message and end a life.



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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 25th 2009, 08:40 PM

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I fail to see what is so "hard-hitting" about these in any way. In any case, I'm on the side that it will simply increase the bullying. After all, not only can they now call someone "emo" but they can shove their face in the poster, encourage them and so forth.
To me, it's hard-hitting in the sense that it's very blunt and sharp. It doesn't imply/connote self-harm/suicide, but graphically illustrates it. That's what makes it hard-hitting.

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 25th 2009, 11:57 PM

I doubt they'll actually make a difference. People who bully just wouldn't care. I've heard stories before of a bully finding out their victim committed suicide, and laughing.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 25th 2009, 11:59 PM

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 26th 2009, 12:55 AM

I really don't like them =/

I'm in an alright mood but when I look at the one with the wrist an SH, it's definitely triggering.

I'm not sure how effective these would be, like others have said bullies will just laugh at these and give them more amunition.


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 26th 2009, 04:42 AM

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To me, it's hard-hitting in the sense that it's very blunt and sharp. It doesn't imply/connote self-harm/suicide, but graphically illustrates it. That's what makes it hard-hitting.


I think he meant cybersex.
I still see nothing of the sort in it.

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 26th 2009, 12:14 PM

I saw these ads on the news and although I was in an okay mood and haven't hurt myself for an age I found them triggering.

As for their effectiveness I see where the government is coming from showing that if the bullies saw the consequences of their ill ways, they will sudden abstain from their innocent misdeeds.

But of course bullies don't care. They are often the same people who think people who self harm or attempt suicide are weak or crazy, meaning they find more perverse self justification for their torment. I don't agree with the posters supplying the bullies with insults, I don't think they need to much assistance with that.

Also another reason why they may be ineffective is that the link from seeing the poster and committing the bullying act would probably not materialise, even though its hard hitting, its hard hitting when you see it then you get on with your life, and after seeing the same poster again and again you become desensitised from it, so they probably wouldn't think of the consequences unless a big warning sign flashed up reminding them, while they are lost in the sadistic amusement they gain from the displeasure of others.

Though I do have one way it may be effective, is nt to the alpha bully themselves but to the entorage, passer bys or band-wagoners. While the bully obviously doesn't care what effect they have people who has more of a consciense who join in due to tribe mentality, may be discouraged. And people who might of just ignored it may be rused into defending the victim knowing the consequences. As anyone who has been bullied knows that its 50 times worse to have the torment spread to all people and in return hae no one to stick up for you.

I think its a good effort from the government but in reality it has to be micromanagement to defuse bullying rather than a macromanagement campaign so thier options are limited...


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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 26th 2009, 12:20 PM

I dunno about you all, but I think these posters are fantastic. Maybe now bullies will see how much damage their "fun" afflicts on the victims. Well done, UK. The US needs a campaign like this.

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 27th 2009, 07:22 AM

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As for their effectiveness I see where the government is coming from showing that if the bullies saw the consequences of their ill ways, they will sudden abstain from their innocent misdeeds.

But of course bullies don't care. They are often the same people who think people who self harm or attempt suicide are weak or crazy, meaning they find more perverse self justification for their torment. I don't agree with the posters supplying the bullies with insults, I don't think they need to much assistance with that.

Also another reason why they may be ineffective is that the link from seeing the poster and committing the bullying act would probably not materialise, even though its hard hitting, its hard hitting when you see it then you get on with your life, and after seeing the same poster again and again you become desensitised from it, so they probably wouldn't think of the consequences unless a big warning sign flashed up reminding them, while they are lost in the sadistic amusement they gain from the displeasure of others.

Though I do have one way it may be effective, is nt to the alpha bully themselves but to the entorage, passer bys or band-wagoners. While the bully obviously doesn't care what effect they have people who has more of a consciense who join in due to tribe mentality, may be discouraged. And people who might of just ignored it may be rused into defending the victim knowing the consequences. As anyone who has been bullied knows that its 50 times worse to have the torment spread to all people and in return hae no one to stick up for you.

I think its a good effort from the government but in reality it has to be micromanagement to defuse bullying rather than a macromanagement campaign so thier options are limited...
I agree.

The bullies won't care. Like others said, it would just add fuel to the fire.

The only people I think this might effect are the neutral parties. Bystanders and the friends of the bullies & victims who aren't involved directly but see it going on and do nothing (or join in).

But seeing that it may also trigger the victims it just doesn't seem worth it...

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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 27th 2009, 07:51 AM

As someone in my GSA said (Very optimistically ) "The ones who are listening, are already on our side. The people we are trying to convince aren't paying attention, or just don't care enough to listen."

Which I think is so true. But I suppose if this gets through to at least one bully, perhaps it's worth it.



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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 27th 2009, 10:14 AM

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As someone in my GSA said (Very optimistically ) "The ones who are listening, are already on our side. The people we are trying to convince aren't paying attention, or just don't care enough to listen."

Which I think is so true. But I suppose if this gets through to at least one bully, perhaps it's worth it.
If a person is determined to have someone else in pain, then posters like these either will do nothing or can be perfect use for more pain.

As for all of the previous posters who whined that you find them triggering, there's a triggering label on the thread. If you see that, then don't come and complain about it triggering you. It's like going past a fence that has a sign saying "If you enter, you'll be shot", and of course you get shot, run out and bitch. You're own fault. So, moral of the story, if the label is triggering and you're easily triggered, perhaps you don't read it. Just some food for thought.
   
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 27th 2009, 11:57 AM

I think they're brilliantly done.
But I think the way to tackle bullying is to help bullies understand when they are actually bullying another person.
I was bullied most of my school life, you'd think I'd spot a bully when I saw one.
My mum accused me of being a bully to my brother three years ago.
i was horrified. My brother felt bullied by ME.
Soooo as for stopping bullying, I think it will stop physical OBVIOUS bullying, but emotional bullying is a lot harder to identify.
   
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 27th 2009, 12:05 PM

Bullying behaviour gets deeply ingrained. I, personally, think it will take more than a few hard hitting posters to prevent people bullying. Bullying is, well, like a power addiction that can get out of control.
I think it's fairly common knowledge how damaging bullying can be - for both sides - what's more needed is a blitz on creating healthy self esteem, helping people learn how to feel secure in themselves and so forth. Tackle the roots, not the end product, as it were.



   
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 28th 2009, 12:26 AM

"HAY GUYS! LETS MAKE POSTERS ABOUT BULLYING AND HOPE THE ISSUE GOES AWAY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY THINK OF A WAY TO STOP IT."

Those posters will do nothing, and if it they do actually do anything it will merely be to hand the bullies more ammo. I think some better teacher training on how to deal with it would be a far better way to spend money. Not to mention that a lot of bullies don't see their actions as "bullying".
   
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 28th 2009, 01:07 AM

I'm with Jack on this, I highly doubt the posters have THAT much of an impact. Most bullies would probably just find them amusing, if anything.

That and going with a "suicide" theme is not exactly a well thought out idea. Perhaps it could encourage people to report bullying, but it's a long shot. Posters on their own can only do so much for any cause, especially something like bullying. We have to be willing to make others understand why they are considered a bully and why what they are doing gives them that label.
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Re: New British Anti-Bullying Posters - March 28th 2009, 04:17 AM

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"HAY GUYS! LETS MAKE POSTERS ABOUT BULLYING AND HOPE THE ISSUE GOES AWAY SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY THINK OF A WAY TO STOP IT."

Those posters will do nothing, and if it they do actually do anything it will merely be to hand the bullies more ammo. I think some better teacher training on how to deal with it would be a far better way to spend money. Not to mention that a lot of bullies don't see their actions as "bullying".
This. I think getting people to actually quit being so emotional or get all sad if insulted or called names would also be useful.

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I'm with Jack on this, I highly doubt the posters have THAT much of an impact. Most bullies would probably just find them amusing, if anything.

That and going with a "suicide" theme is not exactly a well thought out idea. Perhaps it could encourage people to report bullying, but it's a long shot. Posters on their own can only do so much for any cause, especially something like bullying. We have to be willing to make others understand why they are considered a bully and why what they are doing gives them that label.
Suicide seems to be documented and flashed around a lot more nowadays. Anything from those god awful whiney songs about how miserable their life is to people lowering themselves to commit suicide attempts or go all the way with it. If people quit caring so much that petty insults and senseless bullying bothers them, then they could grow some skin and not have this. Physical bullying gives some reason to be annoyed, however, it's usually not too hard to stop.

Overall, I say these posters are absolutely useless. If you want them to stop, then you have to get in their heads and figure out what makes them tick. This would probably not be easily to generalize to all bullies, so the most effective way would get someone to get inside the bully's head. That, or just quit caring and getting so sad and such would also work. I find them amusing as to how ineffective they are, and actually how accurate some may be. Doesn't bother me nor would I care if this was used against someone, although I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't. I mean, if you're doing senseless bullying to some pathetic whiner, then just find one of these posters and now you can greatly increase their chances of suicide. I find it hard to believe that a bully would look at it and go, "Oh no, I'm so cruel, wah wah wahhh, I better stop before [insert name] kills themself and I become a pathetic whiner, blah blah blah". That's the kind of stuff found in fairy tales.
   
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