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Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 03:46 PM

So there's this video that's been going Viral on my facebook, I don't know about anyone else's. But Apparently there's satanic things in twilight and all this. I'll post a link to this as soon as I can find out how.

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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 04:57 PM

Twilight... just generally isn't to my taste. As for "satanic symbols"... and illuminati crap and shit... lol, I think it's people generally acting schizophrenic when they start believing all that stuff.

The concept of Satanism, and Illuminati may be somewhat true, but taking this stuff literally, is like taking the Bible literally.


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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 06:13 PM

BDF: I kind of agree. The Bible is just as figurative as it is literal. Maybe Noah never had an ark, but the moral behind it (being grateful to those who provide for you.) is true no matter is the story is or not.

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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 06:41 PM

I don't know what satanic symbols you are referring to, so I don't know. Satan is behind all false religions, and the whole vampire thing originated from a false religion....so kinda in that way. However, when people use "vampires" in movies today, they usually aren't thinking about that; they're usually just trying to make a creepy movie. I don't like the whole Twilight thing for many reasons, but I kind of doubt that the writers purposely used satanic symbols in it. I could be wrong though.
   
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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 07:58 PM

Justin and Goblin's Blade: to quote Doctor Strangelove, "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." But seriously guys, let's keep thing civil.

Anyway, my take with this - as with the numerous similar instances of such claims being made about popular literature - is that you can read pretty much anything into a work of literature with a suitably inclined mind. Given half the chance, I'm pretty sure you could interpret the Bible as rejecting the existence of God if you were creative enough about it. It doesn't mean that's what it actually says. In the same way, much as I think the Twilight books are pretty meh, I doubt they are meant to be specifically satanic. It's probably people reading too much into the mythology associated with vampires in the first place, which tends to veer in that direction so it's understandable - but I digress. All in all, I'm not too convinced.


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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 08:02 PM

dr2005: Great point. If you're looking for something, you can find it.

For example, this page could be a shrine to number four.

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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 08:05 PM

There are so many books that i would like to see get turned to a film, rainbow six by tom clancy for instance. It was turned into a great game way back in 98, but sadly there has been no film adaptation of it.
   
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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 08:08 PM

Goblin's Blade: Super off topic buttt.... Tom Clancy is a decent author thanks to his ability to effectively raise the stakes. One minute a man is being held by terrorists, oh no! Then we find out that man is the president holy &%&$!

By doing so effectively he is able to remain a popular author even after writing formulmatic novels for so long. If it works, use it.

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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 09:07 PM

As a real Satanist, I can assure you there is no "Satan" or anything like that in Twilight.



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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 09:21 PM

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So there's this video that's been going Viral on my facebook, I don't know about anyone else's. But Apparently there's satanic things in twilight and all this. I'll post a link to this as soon as I can find out how.

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I find it highly doubtful. Why would a Christian try and sneak some Satanic tones/imagery into twilight. I get a feeling this is only happening because she is Mormon and her books are an easy target because it has things like vampires and warewolves. Not trying to offend anyone that believes in this, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 11:50 PM

I don't see how Satan could be in those books... the whole series screams of morals like "No sex before marriage" and "life begins at conception" (and also "grooming is totally ok"). Seems pretty run-of-the-mill, not Satanic at all.
   
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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 6th 2011, 11:51 PM

I haven't seen this video in question although from a brief Googling session, I found this link, which seems to be similar as it argues Twilight and Harry Potter encourage anti-biblical and Satanic ideas. http://www.satansrapture.com/twilight.htm

Part of the website mentions accuses the Church of Satan of encouraging drinking blood, although I don't recall LaVeyan Satanism including that in their rituals (but I could me mistaken as I don't associate much with LaVeyan Satanism). From a Theistic Satanist side, invoking demons does not include drinking blood as far as I'm aware. There are certainly extremist Satanic churches but I don't think even drink blood as part of their rituals.

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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 7th 2011, 12:09 AM

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Twilight is a load of bollox for irritating air headed teen girls.
My mum is a fan of Twilight.

loool. She has a phone pouch and pencil case with the Twilight brand thing written on it...

She's over 60 years old too.


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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 7th 2011, 12:35 AM

I can't think of anything better to say than "No."




   
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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 7th 2011, 01:22 AM

I find this weird. As another user mentioned, the movies & books all scream MORAL SITUATIONS. 1: Bella and Edward did NOT have sex until after they were married. 2: Life begins at conception. And many others that I cannot name due to forgetting what they are. I know for a fact that Stephenie Meyer, author of all 4 books, is a Christian, and because of her own moral values, she gave her characters the same, hence, why Edward and Bella waited until after they were married to have a sexual relationship.











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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 7th 2011, 01:33 AM




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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 7th 2011, 02:41 AM

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I haven't seen this video in question although from a brief Googling session, I found this link, which seems to be similar as it argues Twilight and Harry Potter encourage anti-biblical and Satanic ideas. http://www.satansrapture.com/twilight.htm

Part of the website mentions accuses the Church of Satan of encouraging drinking blood, although I don't recall LaVeyan Satanism including that in their rituals (but I could me mistaken as I don't associate much with LaVeyan Satanism). From a Theistic Satanist side, invoking demons does not include drinking blood as far as I'm aware. There are certainly extremist Satanic churches but I don't think even drink blood as part of their rituals.



I'm curious, are you a LaVeyan Satanist or a Theistic Satanist?

LaVeyan, and you are correct in the no blood drinking. Not even Theistic Satanists drink blood in summoning demons. Why? Because one of the MAJOR ideologies in Satanism is to never harm another human or animal unless for protection or food. So... While I'm no expert on Theistic Satanism, I'm pretty sure most don't go out and find a dead animal to use it's dead-for-three-days blood.



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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 7th 2011, 03:09 AM

I'm not a fan of twilight, but it's not evil. People make videos about everything being evil. It's like looking at the stars and connecting the dots, you can make things look like whatever you want.


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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 7th 2011, 08:29 PM

A movie based on vampires and werewolves may have some Occult symbolism, such as the pentagram, chalice, and ritualistic practices, it just goes along with the subject. That doesn't mean it's Satanic. Personally I think people are getting more and more paranoid. Just like the wackos who insist Freemasonry and the Illuminati (Who don't exist anymore), seek to control the world and bring about a "New World Order". Biggest load of BS I've ever heard.


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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 7th 2011, 09:28 PM

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Not sure if it's paranoia as such, although I agree it's BS. I think it's down to the human need to feel in control of one's own destiny, or if not to at least feel that someone is in control of proceedings, and not wanting to feel as if humanity is at the mercy of the Universe. It probably stems from an inability to accept that the reality is one of two things - either there is no one in control and it's all just chaos, or that there is someone in control and it sure as hell isn't a human. Hence why it's easier to believe there's a sect pulling the strings across the globe, rather than face the possibility that no one has their hand on the tiller and we're at the mercy of the tides.


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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 8th 2011, 06:10 AM

I'd say he's behind Twilight in the sense that is a blight that has infected the minds of countless mouth breathing teenage girls, and threatens to destroy literature and film with its pages and pages of filler romantic fan service garbage that could have been typed out by a room full of monkeys on typewriters in about a week.

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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 11th 2011, 02:14 AM

Haha. I was just wondering what everyone thought.
I personally think that the books were okay, but the movies are overrated.
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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 13th 2011, 10:51 PM

It not evil it's a book made for entrainment and it does connect to a certain group of people. Them trying to being religon into a book that a young girly cheesy love story (kinda). It's pointless. I mean there even adult that read the book and love it and they don't try to being religon into it it a pleasure read not something you can read in to...


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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 14th 2011, 10:11 PM

You know what lol, Meyer has about two brain cells in her head not taking into account her complete lack of any functioning grammar skills. Let us look at her story line. When asked to defend it she tries to use science and fails, if she said "I just made it up it is a story", that would be fine but she doesn't. As for someone being pathetic and paranoid enough to say that she had the mental capacity to place satanic symbols in her book that weren't already associated with the genre they need to chillax and watch a mindless comedy.
   
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Re: Satan behind twilight? - December 14th 2011, 10:24 PM

Hahah. True that.



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