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Crime and Punishment - March 26th 2009, 04:59 PM

Okay well I wasn't sure where to put this but I guess it could be a debate. I'll write a list of crimes and people can say what they think the punishment should be, also people can list any crimes I've left off.

Murder - well I don't believe in killing people who kill to show killing is wrong but I also don't believe that killers should ever be let out of prison, life should mean life.
Burglary - Hmm I'm not really sure about this one
Manslaughter - I think they should definitely spend some time in prison but not as long as a murderer would.
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Vandalism -
Arson -
GBH -
Treason -
Fraud -
Kidnapping -

Well I'm not entirely sure what I'd do for the other crimes, murders the only one I have a clear idea on. I'll have a think about it and post when I know.


   
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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 26th 2009, 05:03 PM

Murder - Death, hanging would be the most efficient so I'll go with that
Burglary - A fine equivalent to the value of goods stolen plus 10% extra and 5 years in jail.
Manslaughter - 20 years in prison
Rape - Death, rape is worse than murder imo since the victim must live with it for their lives
Vandalism - Clean it up and a fine. Jail for repeat offenders
Arson - Depends on the damage, from jail to being burnt at the stake
GBH - Prison for 10 years
Treason - Death
Fraud - Pay back everything taken and jail
Kidnapping - Long term in jail
   
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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 26th 2009, 05:33 PM

Murder - Hanging
Burglary - Give items back, 2nd offence cut a hand off, then cut the other hand of if they again
Manslaughter - Prison for a large amount of time
Rape - Castration
Vandalism - Flogging and a month in prison
Arson - Flogging and a year in prison, unless it's in a boat yard then hanging
GBH - Flogging
Treason - Hanging
Fraud - Prison
Kidnapping - Hanging

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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 26th 2009, 05:54 PM

Before I say anything, I want to say that It's very hard to just pinpoint one type of punishment for any of these crimes. Everything is very circumstantial, and punishment may change depending on the situation. With that said...Heres what I personally think.



Murder: Life in prison. For serial killers or mass murderers, Death penalty.

Burglary: If items can be given back, do so. Fines. If done again, fines will become larger and person will have to do large amounts of community service. If it persists, prison will be considered.

Manslaughter: This would depend on the situation. Anywhere between 5-20 years in prison. And depending on the situation, there could be possibility of parole.

Rape: If its a random person, then Life in prison. If the victim was raped and sexually abused many times over years, then Death penalty. If the victim is a child, then death penalty. If it is a statuatory rape offense, then punishments could range from prison to life, depending.

Vandalism: Fines. If keep getting caught, then fines get larger, and they get large amounts of community service. Prison could be considered if it persists.

Arson: Depends on damage. Could range from a simple fine, to many years in jail.

GBH: Prison for some time.

Treason: Depends. Life, or death penalty.

Fraud: Prison for some time.

Kidnapping: Prison for 10-20 years. No parole. It would depend on what the kidnapper did to the victim during the time the victim was kidnapped.

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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 26th 2009, 06:21 PM

Murder - Life in prison. Serial Killers = death penaly
Burglary - Items back, money: items worth paid to victim. Repeat offenders= spell in prison
Manslaughter - Depends. Could range from life to just a year in prison.
Rape - Castration
Vandalism - Remove/replace/fix whatever has been vandalised and perhaps spend a week helping the council clean up what others have done Repeat offenders = short jail stretch.
Arson - Depends. Costs paid to victim. A few months in jail - a few years
GBH - Depends to what degree. Prision for a few months- years
Treason -Depends. Prison stretch
Fraud - Money paid + compensation. Prison is the scale is large.
Kidnapping - Depends.... Prison.


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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 26th 2009, 07:58 PM

Murder - First time: jail for 25+. Repeat offender/Multiple offenses: Death
Burglary - A fine of what they stole, plus anything they damaged while committing the burglary. Also: jail time
Manslaughter - First time: 15-25, second: treat it as a first time murder
Rape - 25+ and castration
Vandalism - Clean it up, and pay for it for the first time. Clean it up, pay for it and serve jail time second time
Arson - Same as vandalism.
GBH - 10+ First time. 20+ second time. Life third time.
Treason - Death
Fraud - Pay for anything stolen because of it. Plus at least 5 years
Kidnapping - 20+ first offense. Second offense: Death

With murder and kidnapping, death first offense




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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 26th 2009, 09:26 PM

Murder - Life in prison, no parole.

Burglary - One year in prison per $1000 worth of items taken. Rounding up.

Manslaughter - 15 years prison sentence; 10 years until parole.

Rape - Castration with life imprisonment.

Vandalism - 60 days in prison + full payment of the damage amount.

Arson - 10 year prison sentence, no parole.

GBH - 20 year prison sentence (1st offense) Life imprisonment (2nd offense)

Treason - 25 year imprisonment, monitored deportation.

Fraud - 50 year prison sentence, full payment of amount taken.

Kidnapping - Kidnapping of minor: Life imprisonment. Kidnapping above 18: 50 years' imprisonment.

These are all assuming that guilt has been proven beyond doubt.


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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 26th 2009, 10:42 PM

Murder- Life (planned) 25-life (Spur of the moment) Murderers are horrible people but planning one is even worse than getting the idea in your head
Burglary- Pay back what items were worth + 2+ years in jail Burglary is is different than robbery. Robbery is the forceful taking of something from someone. With burglary the person isn't there but it is still very wrong.
Manslaughter- 4-6 years in jail (intent to hurt) 2-6 (no intent to hurt) There was no intent to kill then the person should be punished for their foolishness. Same goes even if the person did not intend to hurt the person.
Rape- Forget castration how about life without parole. The victim is alive and will always remember the horrible act of violence.
Vandalism- 2-3 months in jail + pay for damages. Not as bad as other crimes but perpetrator still learns a lesson.
Arson- 6-10 years in jail Think about what could of happened due to their stupidity.
GBH- 5 to life depending on type of harm. I guess this covers every crime that can be done to a person's body.
Treason- Life Get out of the country if you don't like it. Don't put your people in danger.
Fraud- Pay back money stolen + 6 year jail sentence. Actually work to earn money. There is no reason to steal.
Kidnapping- Life
Usually rape and or murder are involved. therefore the "person" should be severely punished. Especially since the victim and or their family will always have to live with the memory of the terrible crime.


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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 27th 2009, 12:26 AM

Murder - Life in prison. As in their WHOLE lives. No TV. No luxuries (I read that some prisoners get Sky!!)
Burglary - Couple of months in jail.
Manslaughter - Jail, but not for their whole life.
Rape - They should have their testicles removed.
Vandalism - community service and a name&shame kind of thing.
Arson -Jail for YEARS
GBH - depends how serious. Again, in jail for years.
Treason - life in prison.
Fraud - Agreed with above, they should work and have all their money given to whoever it was stolen from.
Kidnapping - life sentence.




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Re: Crime and Punishment - March 27th 2009, 03:17 AM

I personally have a very long and boring view of this.

Honestly, I think that before you pick a punishment for these crimes you should look at why we hand out sentences in the first place.

I would list 5 main reasons we sentence people

Protect society
Rehabilitate the criminal
Set an example/deterrence
Justice/reparation for the victim
Punish the offender to show them what they did is unacceptable

Then I would look at each crime and what sentence would match most of those the best.

E.g. murder. One option is capital punishment.

Does it:

Protect society? - Yes the murderer is off the streets and gone for good
Rehabilitate the criminal - no, it just kills them
Set an example/deterrence - there is no proof that capital punishment is a deterent for murder, but it does set the example that murder is acceptable, along as you have the backing of the law.. if you hit a child when they misbehave, they will most likely only learn that violence solves problems..
Justice/reparation for the victim - for the majority of victims, it probably is seen as justice
Punish the offender to show them what they did is unacceptable - I wouldn't say death was much of a punishment, because they don't suffer through the punishment to learn anything

What about a life sentence?

Protect society - it protects them for as long as the murderer is in jail, and if the murderer is successfully reformed, then it will protect society
Rehabilitate the criminal - it can do, yes
Set an example/deterrence - it can do, yes
Justice/reparation for the victim - seeing the man who murdered a friend/family member being told they will have to spend the rest of their life in prison would be justice enough for me.
Punish the offender to show them what they did is unacceptable - I would say it could do this.

But honestly, I don't think prison sentences or death are productive measures of fixing the crime problem. I think prisons just hide offenders away so we can forget they exist, until they're released. And capital punishment? I am so against capital punishment, I would never EVER condone it. It's barbaric, it's hypocritical and recently a man was freed after spending 27 years for a murder he didnt commit. That's the second man in the space of two months who has been declared innocent of a murder he was thought to have committed. If we had capital punishment, that would be two men killed for a crime they didn't commit. That is two too many for my liking. And that's only the two we know of.
   
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