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Judge Upholds 'Stand Your Ground' Stabbing Death Defense in Teen's Bus Stop Bullying - January 4th 2012, 08:31 PM

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Re: Judge Upholds 'Stand Your Ground' Stabbing Death Defense in Teen's Bus Stop Bullying - January 4th 2012, 09:13 PM

ehh ... that's it really to me.

I wouldn't advocate stabbing but would I have given the person a sentence? Maybe, he still killed someone. But then again it's self defence.

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Re: Judge Upholds 'Stand Your Ground' Stabbing Death Defense in Teen's Bus Stop Bullying - January 4th 2012, 09:18 PM

I just love how the family of the bully is always utterly clueless. Even with all of these witnesses who described that day and other instances they still think their kid was entirely innocent. That being said I think 12 knife wounds is a little excessive even if only two of them were fatal. The law stands though, the kid tried to do right an avoid the fight and when that option was taken away from him he reacted.


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Re: Judge Upholds 'Stand Your Ground' Stabbing Death Defense in Teen's Bus Stop Bullying - January 4th 2012, 10:29 PM

Maybe if something was done in the first place, the victim wouldn't have felt as if that was the solution. Bullying is serious. If they don't want these things to happen... ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO STOP BULLYING. Like what the hell...


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Re: Judge Upholds 'Stand Your Ground' Stabbing Death Defense in Teen's Bus Stop Bullying - January 5th 2012, 02:45 AM

As much as I loathe bullying, and the fact that people are so willing to treat others that way... I don't feel it can be a case of self defense when only one party had a weapon. I do realize that a punch can do quite a bit of harm, especially in the form of a group beating..but bring a pocket knife to a gunfight (for lack of a better phrase), is a bit much in my opinion, and should not go entirely unpunished.




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Re: Judge Upholds 'Stand Your Ground' Stabbing Death Defense in Teen's Bus Stop Bullying - January 5th 2012, 03:54 AM

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As much as I loathe bullying, and the fact that people are so willing to treat others that way... I don't feel it can be a case of self defense when only one party had a weapon. I do realize that a punch can do quite a bit of harm, especially in the form of a group beating..but bring a pocket knife to a gunfight (for lack of a better phrase), is a bit much in my opinion, and should not go entirely unpunished.
The kid tried to run away and avoid the fight, and was still attacked, by the assailant and his friends actually. Multiple people chasing you down with the intent to seriously harm you? The kid made the right choice, considering it was the only one he had. Unless of course you're arguing he should have taken the beating, regardless of severity, and hoped that a system of apathetic "adults" would deliver justice.

Also, 12 stabs wounds may seem excessive, but in a situation like that I doubt he was counting, and to question that is stupid. He was panicked and didn't have time to think, and it was most likely reactionary.


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Re: Judge Upholds 'Stand Your Ground' Stabbing Death Defense in Teen's Bus Stop Bullying - January 6th 2012, 07:29 PM

I'm finding it more and more difficult to find it in myself to disagree with things like this. More and more I realise just how sick this world is, and I see events like this and the only thing I can hear in my head is... "One less problem". Mr Nuno was doing serious bullying to this guy. Had he not had a knife he could have been really injured, and who knows how many times he's been seriously injured? Further, how do we know this is the only victim of bullying from Mr Nuno (the bully)? Could it be that he bullied many others who were too scared to do anything or stand up?

Bah. I feel very sorry for the suffering the deceased family are going through but at the same time it does mean that the world is a little bit better with the riddance of this "man".
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The kid tried to run away and avoid the fight, and was still attacked, by the assailant and his friends actually. Multiple people chasing you down with the intent to seriously harm you? The kid made the right choice, considering it was the only one he had. Unless of course you're arguing he should have taken the beating, regardless of severity, and hoped that a system of apathetic "adults" would deliver justice.

Also, 12 stabs wounds may seem excessive, but in a situation like that I doubt he was counting, and to question that is stupid. He was panicked and didn't have time to think, and it was most likely reactionary.
I agree with everything you said. We are only human, we can only judge him by human standards. I find it difficult to believe anyone in his situation would have made better decisions than he did. As far as I'm concerned he's rid the world of a future problem and done us all a favor, much as I sympathise with the deceased's family.
   
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Re: Judge Upholds 'Stand Your Ground' Stabbing Death Defense in Teen's Bus Stop Bullying - January 7th 2012, 06:12 PM

I almost entirely support it. But tbh, 12 stab wounds is over-done. 1 would be probably enough to at least make him back off, and probably injure him seriously enough. But the heat of the moment got into the kid, so he lost it. I don't blame him.

I would go as far as saying the bully deserved to get stabbed, not to die, but he's only got himself to blame.


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