Innocent man spends 7 years in Guantánamo without access to trial

[Cosmo]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/op...&smid=fb-share

This has only added more justification to my decision to never set foot in America. America really has turned into the shitstain of the world since 9/11. I feel so sorry for Americans

[ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST]

This is CRAZY if you are locked up anywhere else(in this country) you get a trial, but then again I do not believe in human justice anyway, for this reason.

[Cosmo]

In America, thanks to NDAA, you no longer have access to a fair trial. They can lock you up as long as they want and they don't have to prove or justify a thing! YAAAAY!

[ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST]

Originally Posted by Cosmo

In America, thanks to NDAA, you no longer have access to a fair trial. They can lock you up as long as they want and they don't have to prove or justify a thing! YAAAAY!

However, if they can NOT prove it once you go to trial you are free, even if you killed ten people. By the way, MUCH of the reason people do not get trials is because the courts are so backed up. For most crimes, if you have bail money you may go free until your trial, since it may take several years, this is helpful.

[Cosmo]

Originally Posted by ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST

However, if they can NOT prove it once you go to trial you are free, even if you killed ten people. By the way, MUCH of the reason people do not get trials is because the courts are so backed up. For most crimes, if you have bail money you may go free until your trial, since it may take several years, this is helpful.

The problem is that now you may not even be able to prove your innocence. They don't have to give you access to a trial. They used to, but not anymore. They can now hold you indefinitely with no justification and no access to trial. Many people can't afford bail money.


Also, isn't part of the reason, if not the whole reason, that the courts are so backed up because America arrests more people than pretty much any other country in the world?

[ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST]

Originally Posted by Cosmo

The problem is that now you may not even be able to prove your innocence. They don't have to give you access to a trial. They used to, but not anymore. They can now hold you indefinitely with no justification and no access to trial. Many people can't afford bail money.


Also, isn't part of the reason, if not the whole reason, that the courts are so backed up because America arrests more people than any other country in the world?

yes, that is part of the reason, but that is the thing people choose to abuse freedom. They break the law and they go to jail, as a result. As for bail money, I understand that, but they do base much of it off the person. Sometimes(depending on the crime) the person is released on his/her OR, basically their word is enough. As for people who do NOT get out on their OR and can not afford it life is that way (in everything) the more money you have usually the better off you are and the more you can get away with.

[Maverick.]

This has only added more justification to my decision to never set foot in America. America really has turned into the shitstain of the world since 9/11. I feel so sorry for Americans

I'm not saying this to defend my country, but every country has their goods and their bads. Don't let something like this, judge your whole outlook on a country. Every country has their own set of laws, and each country's legal system varies. Instead of bashing a country saying that you wouldn't step foot in it, try to understand the clear picture.

[Cosmo]

Originally Posted by Joker

I'm not saying this to defend my country, but every country has their goods and their bads. Don't let something like this, judge your whole outlook on a country. Every country has their own set of laws, and each country's legal system varies. Instead of bashing a country saying that you wouldn't step foot in it, try to understand the clear picture.

It's not just this that makes me never want to visit. The whole place is a mess. It's redeeming factor is that it's filled with very nice, if often ignorant, people, and it has some incredible landmarks. The main problem is that if I step foot in that country, my life is at risk. I can be carted off to a FEMA camp if I do anything the govt. doesn't like. Not to mention the constant, and rapidly increasing, security checks. More and more police are in schools, many are responsible for discipline; mainly because the school is fucking sick of being sued every time they step in, so they just get an outside authority to do it instead. The economy's non existent, the country's values and believes are buttfuck backwards; put a "Legalise same-sex marriage" vote to the country and see what you get. Not to mention the whole political system is beyond corrupt and your own leader can't do anything about it. The corporations run the place, with no signs of stopping.


Although in all fairness Britain isn't that good either, although I would say it's better at everything I just pointed out.


It's unfortunate because I have many, many great American friends but there's so many reasons not to go that I just cannot justify it, especially with the risk it places on my life.

[Revolution]

...Don't judge us on what our government does, that's not nice of you. I'm not violent, I swear. This is absolutely disgraceful, this article. Ugheughhh.

[Sythan]

This happens so much in America I'm not even surprised anymore.

[BDF]

Fancy getting thrown in guantanamo bay for carrying a bottle of water through customs?, Go to America.

[~Mr. Self Destruct~]

I'm not surprised at all.
This comes from a country and a Governement that has been waging a "war against drugs" since Nixon's term, which has caused imprisonment rates to skyrocket since its implementation. This would only be as bad as it sounds if most of those imprisoned due to this "war" weren't violent offenders at all, and if prisons in the USA weren't being run by private corrections companies/public corporations, one of hich is known as Crowley Corrections America.
CCA been found, in writing, saying that, in a 10K form to the United States Securities and Exchange Comission "the demand for [their] facilities would be adversely affected by the relaxtation of enforcment methods, leniency in convicition or parole standards and senetencing practices...". They also utilize tax dollars in order to run their company and commit to their services, which would make sense, as they run alledgedly public prisons. And yet, this company does have a private sector, as it is a corporation indeed, which also means shareholders, who benefit fiscally from CCA's profits. They also provided federal catidates $100,000 USD in 2008 (15% Democrats, 85% Republican).
So, in a country where shareholders and politicians earn money via the operation of prisons, I'm not surprised to hear that something like this can happen at all.
The example I've provided is just one of the many reasons I find America's justice and prison systems a complete and utter mess.
The frequency of disgraceful occurences like this happening just appears to be on the rise.

[BDF]

Originally Posted by ~Mr. Self Destruct~

I'm not surprised at all.
This comes from a country and a Governement that has been waging a "war against drugs" since Nixon's term, which has caused imprisonment rates to skyrocket since its implementation. This would only be as bad as it sounds if most of those imprisoned due to this "war" weren't violent offenders at all, and if prisons in the USA weren't being run by private corrections companies/public corporations, one of hich is known as Crowley Corrections America.
CCA been found, in writing, saying that, in a 10K form to the United States Securities and Exchange Comission "the demand for [their] facilities would be adversely affected by the relaxtation of enforcment methods, leniency in convicition or parole standards and senetencing practices...". They also utilize tax dollars in order to run their company and commit to their services, which would make sense, as they run alledgedly public prisons. And yet, this company does have a private sector, as it is a corporation indeed, which also means shareholders, who benefit fiscally from CCA's profits. They also provided federal catidates $100,000 USD in 2008 (15% Democrats, 85% Republican).
So, in a country where shareholders and politicians earn money via the operation of prisons, I'm not surprised to hear that something like this can happen at all.
The example I've provided is just one of the many reasons I find America's justice and prison systems a complete and utter mess.
The frequency of disgraceful occurences like this happening just appears to be on the rise.

Wtf?!

Private corporations own prisons? That's sick. Why not just frame and throw half the population in prison? What's there to stop them?