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Defining fascism - January 16th 2012, 05:17 PM

I'm just interested in how people understand it. In summary, I understand it by fascism (right wing) and communism (left wing) being two opposites. Theoretically speaking, communism is an ideology where "everyone is equal". Perfect fascism (the way I've grown to understand it), is where in theory one person holds all the power, decision making, law and generally everything.

So how do others understand/define it? And would you say it's on the rise?


I ask if it's on the rise, not due to government policies, but due to the growing prevalence of private enterprises worldwide. By definition, private enterprises act in their own, private interests, only regulated to some extent by the governments to ensure that they don't sabotage the public's interests. But with the recent banking crisis, it's damn obvious that private enterprises (banks) have been interfering in government regulation, to further benefit their private interests (in other words, this is corruption). Communism however, aims to do everything in the public's interest. So fascism = private interests, communism = public interests.

A lot argue fascism has strong nationalist trends, which I understand would be the case if fascism was being driven by a government instead of private enterprises. A fascist government would do everything in the interest of its own country, irrespective of whether or not it harms other countries. A "fascist" enterprise, as I said earlier, would do everything in it's own interest, with no regard for anything else.

Another difference between communism (also called socialism) and fascism, which I've sort of already hinted at, but I'm going to single it out here, is that perfect fascism can to some extent seen as an egocentric mindset, aka one person is the centre of the universe, and holds all the power. An egocentric mindset is frequently a trait of sociopaths (in the clinical definition of this term). Sociopaths by definition, have little regard for others. Several sources that I've skimmed over in the past few months suggest that sociopathy (and psychopathy, but nvrmind that) are on the rise... due to these "conditions" offering evolutionary benefits to individual people, enabling them to further excel in life and be "more successful" in monetary terms. Of course people argue that evolution takes millions of years... yep, it does, but there's the nature vs. nurture argument. People are more frequently driven now, by their environment and their upbringing, to be successful in monetary terms... which to some degree involves egocentricity, stepping over others to get what you want. All this "sociopathy" stuff is a grey area really, and difficult to define, but perhaps others here might have thought about this vague link between sociopathy and rising fascism (in the way which I understand it), assuming fascism is even rising.

I hope I'm not far off the mark. I might be... very far off though. I hardly ever discuss this with anyone :/

This question has been pestering my mind and distracting me from my work, that's why I'm asking. I hope I made some sense... I don't intend to "scare people off" with twisted arguments they don't understand or even I don't understand when I read over it 10 minutes later, lol. Regardless, I'm interested in how other people understand fascism.


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Re: Defining fascism - January 29th 2012, 12:21 PM

From what you said I understand it, I dont know much more then that but it seems interesting.
   
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Re: Defining fascism - January 29th 2012, 04:47 PM

I don't like how one person has all the power because they are likely to be corrupt.

On the other hand it would save money and if we get a smart person in power stupid decsions would no longer be passed by congress.

Then again one assasin could easily destroy any sembalance of control in our country by killing our facist leader.

Facism gets a bad rap for not much reason, but it doesn't really practice that well as all dictatorships have failed, and failed terribly.

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Re: Defining fascism - January 29th 2012, 04:54 PM

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Facism gets a bad rap for not much reason...
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Re: Defining fascism - January 29th 2012, 08:41 PM

Snufkin: Of course the Nazis were a bunch of assholes. Their anti jew, homosexual and disabled views were screwed. Yet they saved a dying Germany. Germany was broke they were at odd with the world and were still grieving over lost soldiers the Nazis saved the country. They were assholes but I could say the same for many other governments.

Charlie Manson was born in a democracy, does that make it bad? In America many politicians cheat on their spouses, does that mean democracy allows such feelings to fester?

Again, there is no reason that one particular failed attempt should give it a bad reputation.

I personally don't like it because of thousands of failed attempts but simply saying "It was Nazi so it was bad." is retarded.

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Re: Defining fascism - January 29th 2012, 09:14 PM

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Again, there is no reason that one particular failed attempt should give it a bad reputation.

I personally don't like it because of thousands of failed attempts but simply saying "It was Nazi so it was bad." is retarded.
I don't know what you're trying to say, it's worth living in an oppressive and racist country for the sake of the economy? Thousands? lol. No ones denying that Hitler made the trains run on time, but considering Nazi Germany was by far the largest and most well known fascist nation, I don't think its that retarded. Then again, I think any sort of inkling towards an authoritative and totalitarian rule is 'retarded'.
   
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Re: Defining fascism - January 29th 2012, 09:54 PM

Baxter: No, I never said it's worth living in a bad country for the economy. I did however say that Hitler got shit done. If he didn't have the personality flaw of being an asshole it would've been the most prosperious time in German history. Aside from the Hilter = asshole factor it was a great time, and it proves that Facism can work if the rulers are not corrupt.

Oh yes, there are many examples. Basically every country has been ruled by a singular leader, be it dictator, king or queen and every single time it's failed. Looking at all the times in English history kings and queens have been thrown off the throne is at least a few hundred.

It was the largest and most well-known facist nation but it was still a stupid assumption. It's like saying
Poster 1: "Cults get a bad rap."
*Poster 2 posts wikipedia (which by the way is not a valid source) link regarding jonestown.
Poster 1: That was retarded. Jonestown was a rare sucide cult. Evil cults only represent a small fraction of cults. Take film cults for example...

You're thinking too single mindedly here, Facism gets shit done. It's wrong for many other reasons, but the Nazis as a single example as to why it's wrong is a lazy arguement because every single group or idea has a black sheep. You need real reasons for why you do not like it.

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Re: Defining fascism - January 30th 2012, 07:30 PM

Fascism by definition means oppression. The views of one person at the top, enforced on everyone, whether they like it or not. And the fact is, no one is the same, and this kind of system will almost never go down well. So the common solution of a fascist system is to kill anyone who opposes it.

Fascism is in theory the most efficient regime there could be, with two flaws. One that it's efficiency purely depends on one person making the right choices, with what's right or wrong being highly subjective. And two, that is it pretty much impossible for just one person to manage absolutely everything. But that's easily dealt with by delegating power to other people. Yes --- fascism gets shit done. Sometimes that's what is needed. For example when a nation goes to war (for whatever reason), and resources are strained... efficiency has to be maxed out if the country is to have a fighting chance. No time wasting on political debates on whether or not to do a pre-emptive strike worrying about it conflicting with the human rights act, and in the meantime your ass gets bombed. Less money waste etc...

Resources on our planet becoming increasingly scarce and more expensive, so that's possibly another reason for rising fascism.

But like I said at the start, it means one person speaking up for absolutely everybody.


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Re: Defining fascism - January 31st 2012, 03:35 AM

Wrong. A facist leader doesn't speak for everyone in his nation but makes all choices for them.

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