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Am I the only one who thinks this? - November 20th 2015, 05:50 PM

So...I consider myself a Christian. I believe in God and the afterlife, and I do try to follow the Bible's teachings, but I do not necessarily believe in everything the Bible says, mostly due to the fact that it has been re-written and translated for centuries and rules that conflict with my own opinion. Does this mean I cannot be Christian because I support the LGBT+ community (which I am technically part of because I am asexual) and also believe in science and evolution (which I believe was created by God)?

If I could get some people's opinions (mainly Christian views of course but I would love to hear from people of other religions/non-religions) because I'm feeling really insecure right now about my beliefs. I chose Christianity because it is supposed to be about love and forgiveness through a relationship with God, but the majority of people who call themselves 'Christians' that I have met appear to me as judgemental hypocrites who look down on me because I have some different opinions. I have nobody to relate to...


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Re: Am I the only one who thinks this? - November 20th 2015, 06:59 PM

Hi, I'm not Christian but I have experience with the subject, and first of all I just have to say you're perspective on Christianity is the most beautiful thing I've read today, don't ever doubt you're a good christian.
I completely agree with you about the bible, nowhere does it say what is metaphorical and what's actually happened, who written what and when or even what language it's been translated from.
The truth is, the bible has more to say about love, faith, respect & kindness than sex, gender and/or how this factors into being a good person.
As for science, I find it pretty weird why religion and science supposedly are opposites.
In the bible it says that god created earth in 7 days. It also says, when Jesus returns to heaven that he'll be back soon and something about how time doesn't pass as quickly in heaven (so whose to say that god didn't create the Big Bang???)
Dinasours, evolution and DNA could just as well be what the bible is talking about, we can't prove what actually happened or who witnessed it.
As someone who was raised Christian I can honestly say that there's a lot in the bible that makes more than sense, and helped me.
Faith is about YOU'RE relationship with god, and no one can tell you what about that is right or wrong

I'd also like to share something that really helped me with my beliefs, when I started doubting and didn't know where to turn. A band called OC Supertones (Christiana ska), has songs about most perspectives on Christianity there is
The songs that's helped me most (and still do) are
- grace flood
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- lift me up
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I really hope this helped, best of luck to you!


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Re: Am I the only one who thinks this? - November 20th 2015, 08:46 PM

Hey Sarah, it's odd to see you post this as it is the consensus that in the UK most people unite the Bible and science, unlike here in the US -- at least to my understanding. Anyways, to address your question, you are not a lone. In fact, surveys show that most Christians do not take the Bible literally, that is, it is not meant to be a science book. It is supposed to be a book about Christ.

This isn't even a newer idea. Many prevalent theologians, and Christian philosophers recognized this. The Early Church recognized this, Martin Luther said that if anyone took Revelation's literally that they were ignorant, C.S. Lewis accepted evolution. By and large I'd say given our century, you are part of the majority in Christianity. The views you're rejecting are fundamentalists, which most Christians aren't.

The way I started viewing the Bible before deconverted was that it was a collection of writings. That is, not that they were infallible, but say like hey, here's the Gospel of John. It's written by one of Jesus's disciples, and this is how he viewed the events. They're a collection of writings, that's it. Even if they were infallible, you have to also account for interpretation. Think of it, there are countless denominations, and within those denominations there are countless views on specific passages and what they mean. So even if we had an INFALLIBLE book, you'd have to have an INFALLIBLE interpretation, and an INFALLIBLE understanding to be able to comprehend it.

Here's a list of Churches that you might be able to identify with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessi...stian_churches
also try here
http://www.pcnbritain.org.uk/locations

My 2 cents is, just follow God the best you know how. Think of all the people who were ridiculed in the Bible, or think of the Pharisees. The Pharisees thought Jesus was demon possessed, and yet they were super religious and people thought they held the keys to the Bible. Just follow God, and do your best to love those who disagree with you.


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Re: Am I the only one who thinks this? - November 20th 2015, 09:27 PM

You can relate to me, and you are not the only person who believes this. I consider myself a Christian, but I don't agree with a lot of stuff in the Bible either (though I'm reading my way through it), I believe in God, I care about people, and I do my best not to judge others and that's good enough for me. People can believe whatever they want really (short of harming people), but when they claim to be Christians and then use it as an excuse to judge, hate, discriminate, and deny rights, I can't stand it.


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Re: Am I the only one who thinks this? - November 21st 2015, 12:48 AM

Yeah, you basically sound like me. Can't stand the zealotry of people who think they're "true" Christians (like my cousin) who sit on their ass and do nothing except quote the Bible all day, and say "this is why evolution doesn't exist".
The Bible contradicts itself all over the place, but the central message is to basically love everybody- so why should you follow that one verse from that one book that says one thing when another verse says the total opposite? The Bible isn't the best thing to nitpick; its better taken as a whole.


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Re: Am I the only one who thinks this? - November 21st 2015, 02:15 PM

Thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate it! (I would reply individually but I'm quite tired so my responses might not make sense) Anyway, I'm glad I'm not the only person who has these opinions.

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it's odd to see you post this as it is the consensus that in the UK most people unite the Bible and science, unlike here in the US
It's not so much in the UK but people I have spoken to on other forum sites with Christians that call themselves 'Creationists' and believe that everything in the Bible is fact rather than figurative. According to some of these people, you cannot be both religious and support the theory of evolution, but I honestly don't know why you can't.


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Re: Am I the only one who thinks this? - November 21st 2015, 04:18 PM

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Thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate it! (I would reply individually but I'm quite tired so my responses might not make sense) Anyway, I'm glad I'm not the only person who has these opinions.



It's not so much in the UK but people I have spoken to on other forum sites with Christians that call themselves 'Creationists' and believe that everything in the Bible is fact rather than figurative. According to some of these people, you cannot be both religious and support the theory of evolution, but I honestly don't know why you can't.
I know Creationists. I used to be a Young Earth Creationist myself, until I realized that they were entirely hypocritical and the primary leaders in the group of people I knew were deliberately lying about evolution or simply ill-informed. That is, EVERYTHING I was told about evolution was growing up was flat-out wrong. It's really hard to see whether or not the people spreading these views (Ken Ham) really believe them, or are just trying to make a profit from it. Because the stuff they say is contrary to basic biology that one learns freshman year in college. Ironically, most of the people that are Creationist tend to like theologians that never took a literal interpretation of the Bible. In fact, the view that Genesis and Revelation are supposed to be taken literal, while it has been around for awhile, is a relatively new mainstream view.

The only reason they have this is likely because they've been indoctrinated into this view, as I was. IMHO, I would just associate with people who only care whether or not you love Jesus. Not whether or not you accept or don't accept evolution. The entire point of the Bible is to be about Jesus. Genesis was believed to be the "Gospel" for God's chosen people prior to Christ. It foreshadowed Christ. For example, compare John 1, and Genesis 1. You'll see what I mean. Genesis is clearly about Christ, not the Creation.


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