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Is it any different being addicted to drugs or gay? Really a sin is a sin right? - October 9th 2016, 05:44 PM

Well I'm a muslim and I was born and raised muslim. But like not the to be really pious. Just the kind where you know everything and read the Quran back in Michigan they had better mosques. They had mosques for black people. Here it's a lot of foreign stuff. I never go. My mom does drugs and stuff and my sister and I were had out of wedlock. And my grandparents committed crimes. Every generation also has someone who sexually abused somebody and has gone to jail for it. I have uncles on both sides that have gone to jail actually. But my dad's family are Christian so I guess that doesn't count. I mean nobody really listens to the moral code of islam. I don't feel any different. I'm gay I guess and honestly don't feel it makes me not a muslim. But I am the first in my family to be gay I believe. Which I don't actually know any gay muslims. It's like I've heard people act like the two don't mix. But I've seen muslims commit way worst sins. So I don't really feel that guilty.And I honestly don't get what's wrong about it.
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Re: Is it any different being addicted to drugs or gay? Really a sin is a sin right? - October 10th 2016, 07:45 AM

If you hang around a certain community, you're likely to see more people in that community commit crimes than people in other communities (unless you watch the news, which skews what we see). For example, I'm Catholic, I grew up in a Catholic school, and most of the people I knew happened to be Catholic. Although I've known some great Catholics, some of the others were the worst human beings I'd ever met. To be honest, it sounds like your family might just have problems. Not to say that bad behavior is necessarily inherited, but it can be taught over generations and passed down parent to child. That was basically our family on my dad's side; every male was a piece of crap going back 5 generations except my dad, who furthered his path down the right track by marrying my mom, a strict Catholic with good values (but she is honestly kind of dumb. she believes so many nonsensical things, like the Harry Potter books are evil). Regardless, you say you've seen Muslims commit worse sins then Christians, but that's your world. In my world, I've met Catholic thieves, psychopaths, just about every type of sinner in the book... hell, even a domestic terrorist. But you know, they are still in the minority of the Catholics I know, because in general, the Catholics I know are genuine people. These same trends applied to the other demographics I grew up with, mainly Protestant African-Americans (but no domestic terrorists or psychopaths). Now, in college, I basically meet the most intelligent every demographic has to offer (for the most part) and they don't feel the need to commit crimes. I'd say level of education and/or ambition played a role into how the people I know have behaved, not religion.
You shouldn't feel guilty about your sexuality. I'm bi, and I'm not wasting time on guilt, even though it's supposedly against Catholicism. I'll never understand why the Abrahamic religions preach against homosexuality; King David may have had a husband. But if they talk ish about it, bring up the terrible stuff they do and quote the Qur'an's quotes about it. Put things in perspective for them.

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Re: Is it any different being addicted to drugs or gay? Really a sin is a sin right? - October 21st 2016, 10:47 PM

Well, each religion is different. There are also a lot of different branches or different areas that practice religion differently. Some branches are more tolerant of stuff than others are. My ex told me that I would make a better Muslim than him if I believed in a god because I volunteered and helped people out.

Look at Christianity. There are some who are Catholic. There are some who dance with snakes. There is a small church that has less than 100 members who protest at funerals so people think they are a huge group (those West Boro Baptists).
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Re: Is it any different being addicted to drugs or gay? Really a sin is a sin right? - October 21st 2016, 11:22 PM

My first thought reading the title of this post was that I thought you were going to say being a drug addict or being gay was a sin and equate it to being a bad person. I was like "omg, you're really about to say that?!" with absolute horror in my thoughts. I say this because I so firmly believe that being gay or being an addict doesn't make you a bad person.

Before I go further, let me say that being an addict is totally different from being gay BUT they're both things you can't control. Like did you know that being an addict is usually about brain chemistry; sure, it can ruin your life and the life of others you're close to (e.g. it's awful to be the child of an addict), so obviously that's not awesome and a lot of the things that come with addiction (e.g. being aggressive, irritable if you're sober and craving drugs, other criminal behaviours) are distinctly not awesome. BUT some people are predisposed to being alcoholics or addicts or whatever. Can you imagine how much it must suck to drink some alcohol like everyone else but unlike everyone else you can't stop? I dunno, just my thought...

In the case of being gay, look, it's ok. It breaks my heart when people feel like they have to choose between their god and their sexuality. God (or Allah, if you prefer) won't revoke his love because you're gay. I feel like people are so quick to make out being gay to be the biggest sin. Sure, the Quran mentions it and so does the Bible BUT it also mentions a lot of other things that are unthinkable today. Like did you know the Bible says that if a woman marries a man but the man finds out she's not a virgin he can take her to her fathers doorstep and kill her and that's some old testament shit so the Jews believe that too. Ain't no one killing me for not being a virgin in todays society.

I feel like the Jews are probably the most progressive in this area. There are a ton of Jewish theologians who've done research to support things like advancements in science and one of my friends is Jewish and trans. So, I mean, I think Christianity and, to a lesser extent, Islam are catching up. I'm not even trying to say all Jews are super progressive, loads of them are pretty conservative. I'm just saying that with the similarities in the religions and that various areas are progressing, there is hope.

I am really sorry that you're having to go through this.

Loving a man and being a man is not a sin. You can justify how it however you want and I think that that's something you can do on your own. Something you can always say that the Quran only talks about sex with a man but not about loving a man and how maybe, within the confines of a relationship/marraige, that having sex with a man is just like having sex with a woman (premarital sex is a "sin" no matte the gender after all).

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Re: Is it any different being addicted to drugs or gay? Really a sin is a sin right? - October 29th 2016, 11:56 PM

Depends on who you ask based on their religion, denomination, and interpretation of the bible. To be honest, I feel that if these things were sins, they'd explicitly state it. However, coincidentally both Christians and Muslims rely on an ancient text to dictate morality. If you don't see the problem with this read the Old Testament, specifically Deuteronomy, and you'll see using a book to determine morality really presents an issue. It doesn't keep up with the times, and its really subjective to how someone interprets it.

Personally, I don't see why a deity would considering having an attraction to one sex or another a "sin." Likewise with drugs. The whole idea seems a little weird to me. But I get it's what some people believe. I just imagine a deity would have more interesting/prominent things to dwell over than what 1 individual out of the tens of billions of humans on one measly little habitable planet out of the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in our observable Universe, within the 100 billions of galaxies, of an potentially infinite multiverse. I don't see why such a deity would get his panties all waded up, so-to-speak, over something so miniscule. (Essentially think of it this way, do you really care if some ant, somewhere in the world is gay or doing the mamba with its lover?)

Anyways, I know I probably ranted more than answered your question, but I hope my point gets through to you. Don't worry so much about pleasing something that may or may not be out there. Worry about living your life. You only get one shot at it. Be the best you can be, love the best you can, and do the best you do. If you do that, I'm not sure why any deity would punish you.

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