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Was Jesus and only Child? -
September 29th 2011, 09:47 PM
I was reading various passages from Calvin and Luther which seem to suggest that Jesus did not have any brothers/sisters. But, when the Bible refers to brothers, it means all relatives such as cousins, etc. Luther seem to say that those who even consider Jesus as having TRUE brothers and sisters are plain ignorant to the matter entirely. Whereas Calvin seemed more of an agnostic to the idea.
From Luther: From Calvin:Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary's virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ's 'brothers' are sometimes mentioned. Is your G-D really G-D?
Is my G-D really G-D? I think our G-D isn't G-D, if He fits inside our head. |
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Re: Was Jesus and only Child? -
October 1st 2011, 03:19 PM
Given the nature of family life in Judea in those days, it is quite plausible that Jesus had siblings and it always puzzles me that Luther and Calvin got into such hysterics about this. The word "virgin" can also be taken in the sense of meaning one who is pure, and as such the claim of Mary remaining "virgin" after the birth of Jesus could refer to her spiritual purity and not physical virginity. In that context, having other children with Joseph would still fit this model, and would follow the cultural norms of the day.
Of course, this is all a bit of a non-issue if you don't believe the Biblical account in the first place, which I thought I should throw in for the many non-Christians on this site. Don't ever say I don't think about you guys.
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