bullying against homosexuals

[RadkeLover]

do you approve that bullying because someone is homosexual because it is in your religion is ok? some states do, (i read an article, i forgot where, if anyone could provide a link, that would be great!) but the question is, do you?

[ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST]

No while I disagree with homosexuality, it is NOT OK to abuse/bully anyone over it.

[Liz94]

In all religions it says to love everyone, to not discriminate etc

Therefore by bulling someone because of the way they have interpreted their religious text is wrong as bullying is not loving and is discriminating.

People that use this as an excuse are trying to justify their actions and need a rethink.

[ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST]

Originally Posted by Liz94

In all religions it says to love everyone, to not discriminate etc

Therefore by bulling someone because of the way they have interpreted their religious text is wrong as bullying is not loving and is discriminating.

People that use this as an excuse are trying to justify their actions and need a rethink.

well no there ARE certain things that are wrong and are NOT down to interpretion Otherwise, we could make the Bible say anything we wanted. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean we have the right to bully others.

[Le bonheur*]

Bullying someone because they are homosexual, bisexual, transexual, asexual, etc. etc. is WRONG. I don't care what religion you are, where you come from, if you're the most popular/richest person in the world, everyone has a right to love who they want to. Bullying is wrong period and it needs to stop.

[chickenonsteroids]

Bloody stupid. Laws should be secular.

Why on earth would you give someone extra rights because they believe in something? For all I care they can go to hell.

I still don't get why people would want to disagree with homosexuality... it's not affecting their life directly is it? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

[ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST]

Originally Posted by chickenonsteroids

Bloody stupid. Laws should be secular.

Why on earth would you give someone extra rights because they believe in something? For all I care they can go to hell.

I still don't get why people would want to disagree with homosexuality... it's not affecting their life directly is it? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Well it goes both ways though sometimes the law seems to favor different races. For example, certain awards shows geared towards a certain race or scholarships geared toward certain races?

[Sythan]

Originally Posted by ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST

well no there ARE certain things that are wrong and are NOT down to interpretion Otherwise, we could make the Bible say anything we wanted. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean we have the right to bully others.

The hell are you talking about? The ENTIRE BIBLE is a reinterpretation of several hundred other reinterpretations. Some translators of the Bible HAVE added and took things out they didn't agree with.

There is a large part of the Bible that has been taken out because it was in conflict with the beliefs and doctrines Christianity, such as Mary Magdalene being a prostitute, Jesus killing another child when he was a boy, and Cain committing incest. All of these things happened in other scriptures, but were taken out by powerful religious leaders.

@OP

Of course it's not okay to bully others based on your personal beliefs. Homosexuality is explained by science, logic, and plain reason. Just because a book that states your friend in the sky or my friend in the Earth doesn't like a person or group of people, it doesn't give you a right to bully them.

Your religious beliefs are just that, YOUR OWN PERSONAL religious beliefs.

[chickenonsteroids]

Originally Posted by ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST

Well it goes both ways though sometimes the law seems to favor different races. For example, certain awards shows geared towards a certain race or scholarships geared toward certain races?

I think those are unnecessary too. Black history month is unnecessary and so are shows dedicated to certain races.

Makes no difference to my opinion.

[ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST]

Originally Posted by chickenonsteroids

I think those are unnecessary too. Black history month is unnecessary and so are shows dedicated to certain races.

Makes no difference to my opinion.

What makes no difference?

[rizz]

it's soooo not ok to bully any1 for any reason.

i once walked out of a church service because they were say things like "god created Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve" and i made sure that they knew y i walked out after too

[chickenonsteroids]

Originally Posted by ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST

What makes no difference?

Your point about the law working in favour of different races. Positive discrimination is still discrimination and its pathetic.

People shouldn't be given benefits due to their religion. It's complete garbage that it's acceptable.

[Shawn K.]

Wow, I've been on this site for one day and my head is spinning.

So, my two cents. I'm a black kid that goes to a private school where just about every race, religion, political belief, and sexual orientation is represented.

Bullying of any kind, of anyone, for any reason is not tolerated at my school, enforced BY THE STUDENTS....just as much as its not tolerated by parents, faculty, and staff.

We have heated debates and discussions on religion, race, politics, whatever..regularly. In my group of friends and classmates we look at "beliefs" like penises. "every man may have one, but forcing it down someone's throat is not acceptable."

And as for recognizing some sub-group, or minority as they're called, with a month or a day, I say so what. For you religious nuts, you do realize that there are a whole lot of American citizens who have no connection with, or belief in Christmas. It's a holiday for a sub-group in todays society. Should we get rid of it because it's "special treatment." You got a problem with Black History Month, do what the practicing Jews in this country do at Christmas...ignore it, don't participate.

And as for "special scholarships". I'm a rich kid, I go to schools with a lot of rich kids. I also go to school with a sizable group of kids from poor and working class families. They are on scholarship, and some of them are not black or Hispanic. But if the scholarships were not available, I guarantee you those Black and or Hispanic kids, who excel academically just like the rest of us by the way, would not have the educational opportunity to attend this school. They're on scholarship because they are academically qualified, not because they're black or Hispanic. And because THEY HAVE A NEED. A need that is now, and has been for decades, disproportionate to the broader non minority population.

Sorry for the soapbox, but I was taught that bigotry, like evil, bullying, and injustice must have a light shone on it and challenged.

[ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST]

Originally Posted by Shawn K.

Wow, I've been on this site for one day and my head is spinning.

So, my two cents. I'm a black kid that goes to a private school where just about every race, religion, political belief, and sexual orientation is represented.

Bullying of any kind, of anyone, for any reason is not tolerated at my school, enforced BY THE STUDENTS....just as much as its not tolerated by parents, faculty, and staff.

We have heated debates and discussions on religion, race, politics, whatever..regularly. In my group of friends and classmates we look at "beliefs" like penises. "every man may have one, but forcing it down someone's throat is not acceptable."

And as for recognizing some sub-group, or minority as they're called, with a month or a day, I say so what. For you religious nuts, you do realize that there are a whole lot of American citizens who have no connection with, or belief in Christmas. It's a holiday for a sub-group in todays society. Should we get rid of it because it's "special treatment." You got a problem with Black History Month, do what the practicing Jews in this country do at Christmas...ignore it, don't participate.

And as for "special scholarships". I'm a rich kid, I go to schools with a lot of rich kids. I also go to school with a sizable group of kids from poor and working class families. They are on scholarship, and some of them are not black or Hispanic. But if the scholarships were not available, I guarantee you those Black and or Hispanic kids, who excel academically just like the rest of us by the way, would not have the educational opportunity to attend this school. They're on scholarship because they are academically qualified, not because they're black or Hispanic. And because THEY HAVE A NEED. A need that is now, and has been for decades, disproportionate to the broader non minority population.

Sorry for the soapbox, but I was taught that bigotry, like evil, bullying, and injustice must have a light shone on it and challenged.

I understand that people who get such scholarships usually have a need, but when one of the requirements for a scholarship is to be a certain race that is when it crosses a line not that those people do not have a need.

[dr2005]

Originally Posted by Sythan

There is a large part of the Bible that has been taken out because it was in conflict with the beliefs and doctrines Christianity, such as Mary Magdalene being a prostitute, Jesus killing another child when he was a boy, and Cain committing incest. All of these things happened in other scriptures, but were taken out by powerful religious leaders.

Bit misleading to claim that "a large part of the Bible" has been removed when, by all accounts, such "scriptures" were never part of the canon in the first place. The Infancy Gospels in particular (such as the one containing accounts of Jesus killing another child) have both disputed authorship and no proof of authenticity or corroboration. Indeed, it is very unlikely that anyone would know much of the childhood of the son of a carpenter, hence why the New Testament contains so little about it. Implying conspiracy without justification or regard to the historical development of the Bible is at best unwise.

Anyway...no, bullying someone on such grounds is completely unacceptable and a distortion of what the vast majority of religions actually advocate of their believers (love, compassion, non-judgemental attitudes etc.). Unfortunately it demonstrates a long-standing problem of human nature - the ability to cherry-pick values to suit our conduct, and the connected ability to overlook our own hypocrisy in so doing.

[Marguerite]

Originally Posted by ALLorNOTHINGforCHRIST

I understand that people who get such scholarships usually have a need, but when one of the requirements for a scholarship is to be a certain race that is when it crosses a line not that those people do not have a need.

You're confusing causation with correlation as do most other people who have a problem with scholarships and such being race specific.

Take all the scholarships for people who live in rural areas. I think we can all agree fair is fair. If you live in a town where you'd have to travel 5 hours each way to get to your closest university, you should be eligible for scholarships. But perhaps you live in a huge mansion in this rural area. Moving to you is like nothing because money is no object. That person doesn't need a scholarship, but that when designing scholarships you have to look at the big picture rather than on a tedious case by case basis (that is, if it is a general scholarship catering to hundreds or thousands of students and not an individual, specific one off scholarship). The same applies for race.

Being a minority doesn't mean automatically you are disadvantaged or going to have a tough time getting into university. A black or asian or purple person from a middle to upper class background is going to have it a lot easier when it comes to university than a white person from a low SES background.

But the idea that universities assume black= poor/disadvantaged/undereducated is incorrect and is so far from the point. Having just graduated high school I and a lot of my friends have been applying for uni scholarships. There a definitely a lot more scholarships availible for Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander students. But look at the statistics from the last census. Only 23% of people who indentify as indigenous complete year 12. Substantially less attend university. Unenployment rates for Aboriginal individuals are 3 times that of the non Aboriginal population. These scholarships don't exist to please overly politically correct liberals and to discriminate against the majority. They are there too give a hand up to a section of society who generally (but not always) need it.

Universities offer scholarships to groups that are statistically more likely to be disadvantaged and not attend university. This is not just true of race but of region, social class, education background and several other factors.

Also I agree with everything Shawn K has said. And sorry I keep writing things irrelevent to the original posts today ;\ Alright, I'll attempt to answer the OP:

Originally Posted by RadkeLover

do you approve that bullying because someone is homosexual because it is in your religion is ok?

No, of course not, but to be fair I don't think anyone would say it was okay to bully someone because of their religion. Perhaps you did not intend it to come across this way but the question you're just trying to get people to agree with you rather than asking a serious question.

The question is really straight forward. Like if I asked "Do you think it is acceptable to hit homosexuals in the head with hammers then set them on fire?"

Obviously the answer is no and you're going to have to search far and wide for someone who will agree with it.

[Of Mike and Men]

Define bullying.

It's my job to love, G-D's job to judge. And besides, I still have my own demons to.wrestle with.

[Toz]

Under no circumstances, is it an okay thing.

[Kate*]

Bullying in the name of religion is still bullying, period. In fact using religion makes it worse in my opinion. I say treat everyone as fellow human beings and leave the judging up to God.

[RadkeLover]

Originally Posted by Of Mike and Men

Define bullying.

It's my job to love, G-D's job to judge. And besides, I still have my own demons to.wrestle with.

my definition of bullying (at least in this situation) :telling someone they are lesser of a person because they are gay/lesbian/bi or telling them they are going to hell in a way that that they portray as demeaning (e.g. yelling "YOU ARE GOING TO HELL F*

[JKmadu619]

Yes, I think being born a certain way is the perfect excuse for you to be mocked and teased, and have hate crimes carried out against you! If you're gay, you totoally deserve to go to hell, it's right there in the Bible somewhere, at least that's what Bill O'Riley says! I know for a F-A-C-T that God hates homosexuals because they're gross. / Sarcasm

I really don't understand what kind of logic goes into homosexual hatred. It needs to stop, because everyone who believes they will be vindicated for hating homosexuals are assholes. West Borro Baptist church is the equalivent to the KKK, is the hatred against homosexuals is equal to post-human rights Black community. Hell, gays still don't have the basic human right of civil union, or marriage.


- Justin

[girlfromsocal]

um no it's not actually a punishment by man. It's just we let GOD deal with them. Therefore live and let live not exactly bother them imo

[Shawn K.]

Originally Posted by JKmadu619

Yes, I think being born a certain way is the perfect excuse for you to be mocked and teased, and have hate crimes carried out against you! If you're gay, you totoally deserve to go to hell, it's right there in the Bible somewhere, at least that's what Bill O'Riley says! I know for a F-A-C-T that God hates homosexuals because they're gross. / Sarcasm

I really don't understand what kind of logic goes into homosexual hatred. It needs to stop, because everyone who believes they will be vindicated for hating homosexuals are assholes. West Borro Baptist church is the equalivent to the KKK, is the hatred against homosexuals is equal to post-human rights Black community. Hell, gays still don't have the basic human right of civil union, or marriage.


- Justin

Amen, Bro!

[JKmadu619]

Originally Posted by girlfromsocal

um no it's not actually a punishment by man. It's just we let GOD deal with them. Therefore live and let live not exactly bother them imo

I'm afraid I didn't even remotely understand what you meant in this post. Could you clarify.

- Justin

[girlfromsocal]

it's never mentioned anything should be done to gay men by humans. I essentially believe. We live and let gays live. Giving them the rights to make the choice on what they want their life to be like in the next world. So I believe their plight may be negative. But it's not my business or skin imo. They should be allowed to live and kindness should be expressed to everyone who's deserving of it. So I'm a supporter of gay marriage.

[SM13]

Being a victom of bullying I don't think bullying of any kind is ok. I'm catholic and they r very against homosexuality but that's one of the biggest things I disagree with the church about. I'm not going to subject y'all to my rant but to put it short I think that homosexuals should have the same marriage rights (legally and in the church) as heterosexual people do. Love is love and people don't chose who they fall in love with. It's the way God made them and one shouldn't pass judgement and deny others the right to love and be happy.

[Megan1]

Bullying isn't okay for any reason. However, I have had people tell me that I was a bully simply because I say that homosexuality is a sin. I don't see that as bullying. In my opinion, true bullying is teasing, calling names, laughing at someone, violence, discluding them from activities, etc. I don't think it's okay to do that to anyone, including homosexuals....but it is okay to say that what they are doing is wrong.

[RadkeLover]

Originally Posted by Megan1

Bullying isn't okay for any reason. However, I have had people tell me that I was a bully simply because I say that homosexuality is a sin. I don't see that as bullying. In my opinion, true bullying is teasing, calling names, laughing at someone, violence, discluding them from activities, etc. I don't think it's okay to do that to anyone, including homosexuals....but it is okay to say that what they are doing is wrong.

i agree with you on the definition but i do not believe that telling someone what they are "doing" is wrong, they can't help it, they didn't choose it, telling someone that their sexuality is wrong is like me telling you that christianity is wrong and you should stop doing it,

[ReluctantPegasister]

Originally Posted by Megan1

Bullying isn't okay for any reason. However, I have had people tell me that I was a bully simply because I say that homosexuality is a sin. I don't see that as bullying... I don't think it's okay to do that to anyone, including homosexuals....but it is okay to say that what they are doing is wrong.

We must have a different definition. Here is mine:
-Bullying uses superior strength or influence (God and "Knowledge" of the afterlife)
-to intimidate someone ("Homosexuality is a sin, and you'll go to hell for it")
-typically to force him or her to do what one wants (stop being gay and find Christ).

It seems like calling homosexuality "wrong" is very much like bullying to me.

[girlfromsocal]

well I can't change my beliefs because it's offensive. Many christians don't believe I think jesus was a humble servant to GOD. If asked they always get upset. Same thing here if you ask me what I think I'm going to have to be honest. But I wouldn't broadcast it. I just think people have different plights. And it's wrong but that's their choice it hurts no one but them so there's no need to hate them.... I'm not changing what I believe for any person who may be offended. Religious beliefs usually offend someone anyway. Wouldn't it then be a form of abuse when christians say they believe I'm going to hell because I don't believe jesus is god? I don't think so it's their personal beliefs...

[RadkeLover]

Originally Posted by girlfromsocal

well I can't change my beliefs because it's offensive. Many christians don't believe I think jesus was a humble servant to GOD. If asked they always get upset. Same thing here if you ask me what I think I'm going to have to be honest. But I wouldn't broadcast it. I just think people have different plights. And it's wrong but that's their choice it hurts no one but them so there's no need to hate them....

from what i have read, you think it's okay?

[JKmadu619]

Megan1: If I were to point out all your sins, you would have many more than simply "Gay sex", and it's debatable if that is a sin or not. I'm sure the Bible mentions a little something about not passing judgement, loving everyone regardless of sins, and to do unto others. If you would ENJOY having someone point out all your sins, invite them to. Otherwise live and let live. Also note, you personally feel it's bad. Realize religion is viewed as different by everyone, so telling one person that their way of LIFE violates YOUR view on God and speaking for all Christians is likely to turn them away from the church.

Also note, I could safely assume most homosexual "bullying" is violent, ot hurtful. It's wouldn't be nice to be called "Slut" everyday, nor is it fun to be called "Fag" everyday.

- Justin

[Megan1]

Originally Posted by RadkeLover

i agree with you on the definition but i do not believe that telling someone what they are "doing" is wrong, they can't help it, they didn't choose it, telling someone that their sexuality is wrong is like me telling you that christianity is wrong and you should stop doing it,

I wasn't talking about the feelings and desires of homosexuality; I was talking about acting on those feelings. That's what I was calling sin.

Originally Posted by JKmadu619

Megan1: If I were to point out all your sins, you would have many more than simply "Gay sex", and it's debatable if that is a sin or not. I'm sure the Bible mentions a little something about not passing judgement, loving everyone regardless of sins, and to do unto others. If you would ENJOY having someone point out all your sins, invite them to. Otherwise live and let live. Also note, you personally feel it's bad. Realize religion is viewed as different by everyone, so telling one person that their way of LIFE violates YOUR view on God and speaking for all Christians is likely to turn them away from the church.

Also note, I could safely assume most homosexual "bullying" is violent, ot hurtful. It's wouldn't be nice to be called "Slut" everyday, nor is it fun to be called "Fag" everyday.

- Justin

You are absolutely right that I have sinned many many times too. I have lied, I have disobeyed my parents, I have put other things before God, I have used God's name as a curse word, I have hated people, I have lusted, I have stolen, etc. I needed to be saved just as much as people who committed homosexual acts, rape, killing people, etc. I am not saying that my actions have been perfect, but rather, I am saying that EVERYONE has been imperfect and needs a Savior...homosexual acts are just one of the many sins.

As for the "do unto others" thing....I do witness to people the way that I would want someone to witness to me if I wasn't saved. Would I have wanted someone to come up to me and day after day tell me that I was a sinner and doing things wrong? No. Would I have wanted someone to have a calm loving conversation with me (only once) about where sins are taking me and how I can be saved from that? Yes, so that's what I do with other people. Not just homosexuals, but everyone. I didn't mean to say that I would continually tell homosexuals that they are wrong. I don't do that.

[girlfromsocal]

no I've actually said throughout everything I think that it's a sin. But it's not my concern. I'm only human. I can't even save myself. So if asked I would agree it's a sin but not one punishable by man. Like I said it never says whether we should punish them or not. Justthat gays will be punished. Still speaking kindly unto others is important. I have a right to think it's wrong if I want to. I still am pro-gay marriage because I'm not here to bring anyone to heaven. My onlyconcern will be my fate. Therefore gays have a right to live how they want to.

but if you asked me if they'd go to hell I'd say it says so. That's what I believe and says in my faith.

[thebigmole]

Originally Posted by Megan1

I wasn't talking about the feelings and desires of homosexuality; I was talking about acting on those feelings. That's what I was calling sin.


You are absolutely right that I have sinned many many times too. I have lied, I have disobeyed my parents, I have put other things before God, I have used God's name as a curse word, I have hated people, I have lusted, I have stolen, etc. I needed to be saved just as much as people who committed homosexual acts, rape, killing people, etc. I am not saying that my actions have been perfect, but rather, I am saying that EVERYONE has been imperfect and needs a Savior...homosexual acts are just one of the many sins.

As for the "do unto others" thing....I do witness to people the way that I would want someone to witness to me if I wasn't saved. Would I have wanted someone to come up to me and day after day tell me that I was a sinner and doing things wrong? No. Would I have wanted someone to have a calm loving conversation with me (only once) about where sins are taking me and how I can be saved from that? Yes, so that's what I do with other people. Not just homosexuals, but everyone. I didn't mean to say that I would continually tell homosexuals that they are wrong. I don't do that.

But Megan you aren't just telling them what they are doing is wrong you are saying they are wrong for who they are. It's like tell a black person they are going to hell for being black. And how can you say that the feelings and desires aren't wrong but the acting on them is, but then turn around and say that masturbation is wrong not because of the action but because it's lustful thoughts (I can't remember if that's you stance on that topic but I do know it is a common stance).

[girlfromsocal]

being black is not an action. There's nothing we did to make ourselves darker. Being gay is an action and not just an action it's a desire etc. Far different from being black. Being black is as wrong as it is to be white or albino. Being gay is a far minority and not just that it's been stated in howgays are wrong but never well in my faith talked about race all that much. I don't think GOD sees color on the level as gays are. It's not even spoken of really....

[thebigmole]

Originally Posted by girlfromsocal

being black is not an action. There's nothing we did to make ourselves darker. Being gay is an action and not just an action it's a desire etc. Far different from being black. Being black is as wrong as it is to be white or albino. Being gay is a far minority and not just that it's been stated in howgays are wrong but never well in my faith talked about race all that much. I don't think GOD sees color on the level as gays are. It's not even spoken of really....

Being gay is NOT an action either. There are gay virgins out there does that make them less wrong than gays who've had sex? And a desire is not an action, or else you are saying that being heterosexual is an action as well. Tell me what action makes you straight?

[RadkeLover]

Originally Posted by girlfromsocal

being black is not an action. There's nothing we did to make ourselves darker. Being gay is an action and not just an action it's a desire etc. Far different from being black. Being black is as wrong as it is to be white or albino. Being gay is a far minority and not just that it's been stated in howgays are wrong but never well in my faith talked about race all that much. I don't think GOD sees color on the level as gays are. It's not even spoken of really....

so just being gay is an action? yeah, okay, being gay is a desire? woah woah woah wait, so my cousin has a desire to be made fun of, shunned by society, and be yelled at by nuts like you telling him his "choice" is wrong and he will go to hell? wow, my cousin is a real masochist i guess i chose to be bullied so much that i had to drop out of school right, and have my dad hate me, right? no you are wrong, you are so wrong, your religion tells you to love someone, not yell at them and shun them, you preach about acceptance of all people, yet shun everyone who isnt like you, you say that nobody is perfect, but you believe that gays are less perfect than everyone else, you are wrong, think about what you said, you are SO WRONG

[girlfromsocal]

no they have a desire to be gay. Being black is not a desire. It just happens to be in our dna.


what did I say? I said that gays deserve to be able to marry and kindness like any other human being. I never said they should be mistreated. I said that it's not like being black. That's insulting to black people.
you're offtopic claiming I said mistreat anyone. I'm pro-gay marriage duh. At the same time I have a right to believe they'll go to hell. I don't have to mention it all the time.

[girlfromsocal]

you can't handle people have different religious beliefs. It is none of your business that I think you're going to hell. Honestly I'm going too if I don't act right. You are no better than anyone else pushing their beliefs onto someone else.