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From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 1st 2012, 11:50 PM

First of all, I want to say: This thread will not be a rabbit-trail debate. The second it turns into one, I will ask for this thread to be closed, or the user starting rabbit trails, warned. Lastly, I would like answers from a BIBLICAL perspective. Obviously, logic is allowed, philosophical answers, permitted, but what I am really after is a Biblical perspective. Thus, I prefer Christian answers.

Now, let me explain why I am asking this question. Christians generally consider various religions who believe in one deity, to believe in a different G-D than we do. However, in Romans, and various places throughout the Bible, it seems like Paul, and others, considered the Jews worshipers of the same G-D. Though, they considered them more of a "false" worshiper, seeking the praise of man, more than that of G-D.

Regardless of that last point, it still seems they were essentially part of the same religion as Christians. But, G-D had eventually shunned them and, in a sense, created a new religion. Now, does this mean that Jewish people believe in a different G-D? Or the same G-D, but misunderstood what He required of them?

You see, in Romans, Paul even says that ALL the Jews will be saved, eventually... in time. So, it seems that to a degree, Jewish people are still "Christian." But, as Christ illustrated so many times, they are in the place of Gehenna, the place of unseen, from G-D.

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Re: From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 2nd 2012, 12:19 AM

Jews believe in the same God as Christians. However, they do not believe that Jesus was God's Son. That's where the split begins. In the New Testament, Paul is acknowledging the fact that both groups believe in God. However, he says that Jews are not saved because Christians believe that one must accept Jesus to truly be saved.


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Re: From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 2nd 2012, 01:46 AM

Jews aren't considered Christians because they don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, they believe that Jesus was a prophet and a rabbi. I think they believe in the same God, they just have differing views on who Jesus is.


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Re: From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 2nd 2012, 04:07 AM

Same God, different views on Christ. They think he was a really great guy, but they don't believe the messiah has already come to Earth.



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Re: From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 2nd 2012, 02:47 PM

Hmm...this is a really interesting question.

It's hard to say. We know that the Jews who don't believe Jesus is the Messiah aren't saved, because the bible is clear that you have to have faith in Christ's salvation to be saved. Plus, at the beginning of Romans 10, Paul says that he is praying for their salvation, meaning that they aren't already saved.

However, that doesn't mean that they don't believe in the same God. I'm not sure about that part. The beginning of Romans 10 does say that they have "a zeal for God", meaning that they do acknowledge the same God. But that confuses me, because Jesus is a part of God (part of the Trinity), so believing in God would require believing in Him. So, I'm not sure. I'd say that they do believe in the same Father God as us, but take that with a grain of salt because I'm not sure.
   
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Re: From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 2nd 2012, 03:43 PM

In a way you could think the same thing about Muslims because they have all the people like Moses and stuff in the Quran but I guess the divide is a lot clearer.

I reckon you all do (i was going to write a fairly in depth essay about this but my theology and religious history wasn't up to scratch) but just see them completely differently.

Islam is strict monotheism with Allah being separate from his creation, Christianity is less strict (with the trinity and everything) but in Islam's perspective Allah sent Christianity down but it was corrupted by humans (which led to Christianity and the trinity). Judaism has the old testament (well the first 5 books) in the Torah but just don't believe Jesus was the son of god. Yet, in the Quran (i think) it condemns the Jews which makes a case for Islam being anti semetic but I won't go there.

So this is less biblical (sorry) but I think you do just have different perspectives on how he should be worshipped.

ps What's a rabbit trail thread? I didn't get that, am I guilty of doing that in this post?


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Re: From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 3rd 2012, 06:06 PM

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Essentially, in these threads, a lot of topics go off topic in to sub-debates. It's rather tiresome.


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Re: From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 4th 2012, 07:05 PM

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Re: From the Bible's Perspective: Do Jewish people and Christians worship the same G-D? (Christian answers preferred) - April 4th 2012, 11:11 PM

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