Male Advice Preferred: Beautiful

[BluEiis]

Guys all I want is your honest opinion. No bullshit, I won't think you're shallow, or a horrible person. I ust want to know what a real guy thinks. Not my mom, or my friends opinions. What makes a girl beautiful? Does acne ruin a girl more than a bad personality? Are perfectly aligned white teeth more of a turn on than a genuine smile from any girl? Etc. etc. What makes a girl beautiful in your eyes.

[CvcSly3]

To me physical attributes in a girl plays a moderate to small role in who I like, but I understand most people are (me too) somewhat physically attracted to someone they are with or who they like. I personally like a girl who reminds me of me and has a personality unlike any other, kind of like mine and is always willing to help people out and is a person who can recognize points of view in an argument. To me a positive appearance also plays a role, in this I mean simple dress style like me. My sister's teeth are not straight and she has been in plenty of relationships (ME = Zero) and she also has acne. So to most people acne affects their appearance but to me It does not affect who I like except if it is related to poor hygiene.

So for me it is...

65% Internal (Heart)
35% External

[Micky]

I find that my mates view of this works well. As long as she has a great personality, looks are a bonus. so for me, its more 80% personality, 20% looks

[Acheron]

Personality is essential for a relationship, but unless she looks good, it doesn't even figure. Yes, a bad case of acne will ruin a girl more than a bad personality, because at least the girl with the bad personality could be fun for a one night stand. Straight, white teeth are less of an issue, but that could be because here in Britain we don't go in for surgery and bleaching of healthy teeth.

Anyway, what do I find beautiful? Clear skin, soft hair (and I love redheads), good posture, slim but toned rather than skinnyfat, pert ass, pale skin, and delicate features. Height negotiable: I wouldn't want a relationship with a girl taller than me, but I could still find one attractive. Oh, and an expressive face. Cute girls pulling funny faces are nommable.

But actually, female beauty isn't that mysterious. It's quantifiable. Computer programmes have been written that can judge it accurately. Symmetry, a 0.6 waist to hip ratio, smooth clear skin, not overweight, and youthful-looking is pretty much the scientific recipe for female attractiveness.

[Guardian_Angel]

Beauty is terribly subjective.

Men don't really think with a hive mind and there is a wide range of what we find attractive, and the different rage of looks or flaws is again, subjective.

For me looks are important and I have certain tastes. For example for some reason race is an important factor to me, I find myself overwhelmingly attracted to Caucasian girls in comparison to black girls. This is not to say I find black women ugly, I can recognize positive features on a black girl but I do not feel the same attraction as I do to my preference.

As for "flaws", such as acne, a little extra weight or non-straight teeth , again it differs for every guy, some guys may be more put off by some things more than others. For me I actually like a few flaws to humanize my partner, allowing me to connect with them more deeply as I, myself feel flaws.

If you want to know my preferences, I just happen to like brunette hair, I like girls with a medium sized chest size, oh and long hair. Beyond that I don't think I mind, and these preferences aren't exclusive, if someone who I bonded with had other qualities I could find them just as attractive as someone with these qualities. They basically serve as an initial drawing to me, if I was at a party these are the girls my eyes would naturally be drawn to.

The thing is, get guys in a room and you will have several opinions on the same woman, because we all have our preferences, and whatever drawbacks you have, for a deep meaningful relationship, there are plenty of people to find you overwhelmingly beautiful. For example something I would find it pretty hard to have a relationship with a girl who was extroverted, simply because I find I feel more comfortable in the relationship dynamics with a introverted girl....

In other words, beauty is A. subjective, external beauty is B. fleeting and inner beauty is essential.

[Acheron]

Originally Posted by Guardian_Angel

The thing is, get guys in a room and you will have several opinions on the same woman, because we all have our preferences, and whatever drawbacks you have, for a deep meaningful relationship, there are plenty of people to find you overwhelmingly beautiful.

Really? I've always found a lot of consensus among guys in judging attractiveness. There's some quibbling over girls in the middle of the attractiveness range, but if you get a group of guys to pick out the five hottest girls in the room, in my experience they'll pick the same ones. Obviously it's a little more complicated than that when you include fetishists ("BBW"-chasers, etc), but by and large it seems like guys agree on who's hot and who isn't. Maybe your friends aren't as shallow as mine?

[PlayingPretend]

Originally Posted by Acheron

Really? I've always found a lot of consensus among guys in judging attractiveness. There's some quibbling over girls in the middle of the attractiveness range, but if you get a group of guys to pick out the five hottest girls in the room, in my experience they'll pick the same ones. Obviously it's a little more complicated than that when you include fetishists ("BBW"-chasers, etc), but by and large it seems like guys agree on who's hot and who isn't. Maybe your friends aren't as shallow as mine?

Like attracts like? (joke)

But no, I'm torn between this and Peter's view. The only difference is that I don't necessarily consider it a measure of attractiveness when it comes to men making the determination of who's "hot" and who's not, as I feel there are several factors that go in to that decision that go beyond body type and so on.

That being said, beauty is important, yes, but I also believe in that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Like Peter said, beauty is, essentially, subjective. There's going to be a societal definition of beauty or an idea of beauty that may be entirely different to the beauty defined by this or that group of people. For example, there are men out there who drool over model-thin women and an equal number who find girls of an average weight/with a soft tummy attractive. There are some people out there who are absolutely turned off by acne, and there are some who don't mind it at all. And so on.

All that being said, I really don't feel TH is going to give you an accurate representation of what's going through everyone's minds, because you're honestly going to get two groups of people at two opposite ends of the scale, with a few exceptions in between. It seems every time one of these threads occurred, people are either all on it about how physical attraction is deathly important or how physical attraction shouldn't matter at all and all you need is love and so on and so forth. In the end, the two go hand-in-hand, but just because one's person type isn't the definition of you, it doesn't mean you're not going to be the type of somebody else. I honestly think that people need to stop relying so much on opinions of people over the internet, who may or may not be telling the blind truth, and start working on building up the confidence in themselves, no matter what that means they have to do. Because honestly, someone who's confident and has a high enough self-esteem to dress cute, remain hygienic, smile, give eye contact, talk with people, etc. is more attractive (to me, and many others) than someone who completely hides them self away.

[Brandon]

It's really quite simple, actually. Asking what makes a girl beautiful to a guy is just like asking what makes a guy handsome to a girl. If I asked what makes a guy handsome, you'd probably say things like "he has to have self-confidence, and the less fat the more physically attractive he is (typically). Same applies to women. Less fat, more self-confidence. The general rule is that you are typically more physically attractive the more fit you look. But for everything else, it's pretty much up to the individual since people are attracted to different things. For the face, biologically, the more symmetric your face is, the more physically attractive you are. When it comes to questions like these, you would be amazed at how many questions you can answer yourself by putting the question in your perspective. With a few variations, of course, men and women are generally attracted to the same things given the intent of that approach.

[BluEiis]

Thanks guys(= I was just waondering what the male perspective was, and all of my male friends had quite different opinions, so I decided to ask TH