[Brandon]

Originally Posted by Rhiannax3

But surely they are different experiences in themselves so they're going to have different levels of importance. I would definitely not say losing your virginity (by this, I mean your first experience having sex) is just another day in the park..

That's why I'm saying "isn't MUCH of a difference" between your other experiences. Virginity is more important because driving with your father isn't as important as having someone see you naked and actually penetrate your vagina. I'm sure you'll remember the first time you had sex than the first time you drove a car. They're all first experiences, just some are more important than the other one. I'm sure someone may have a more vivid memory of the first time they drove a car than their first time having sex, it all depends on what you find more important to you. I'm not saying virginity isn't important, but to me it's just classified as a "first time" thing rather than something "sacred".

Originally Posted by Rhiannax3

I would disagree, simply because of the fact that it can be broken by so many things, horseriding, for instance. Why should it be oh so important if it can be broken without you realising. I understand that there's no going back once it's broken, but the breaking of the hymen shouldn't be the significant factor..

Did you read my whole post or did you skip through some of it. This is what I said:

The problem is that there's a lot of daily activity that can break a hymen which is a problem for my beliefs because I believe that breaking the hymen is more sacred that losing your virginity.

I'm aware of the fact that you can damage the hymen through other things because I mentioned. I also mentioned why it should be important:

But if the guy actually breaks the hymen, I believe THAT is more significant and sacred because once the hymen is broken, it's pretty much broken. A woman can lie about being a virgin because it happens all the time.

Basically...let's say a woman hasn't broken her hymen through other activities yet and she has sex with a guy who breaks the hymen. It would be harder for her to lie about having a first sexual experience because the hymen was broken. You could lie and say that you broke your hymen through tampons, horseback riding, biking, whatever, but only you would know that your hymen was broken because a male penetrated you. If you were a virgin and you had sex (and your hymen was broken) and you lied to the guy that you WERE a virgin, he could feel special for "taking your virginity". Ideally, you could tell every guy that you're a virgin and they would ALL have the impression that they took your virginity. But if a guy damages your hymen, then he knows, pretty much for sure, that you've never had sex, and that he actually took something from you. Breaking the hymen shouldn't be a significant factor, I'm just saying that breaking the hymen should be more significant than losing your virginity because it's more concrete evidence. It's like...asking Bill Gates how much he has. If he says "20 billion dollars", you could only assume that he's telling you the truth because of how much shit he owns and how much he gives away. BUT if he gives you his bank statement, then you'd KNOW and wouldn't be basing on assumption anymore.

Originally Posted by Rhiannax3

I'm confused though at your view of the two things. They're two different things, but you would regard someone not to be a virgin if their hymen was broken by something?

If their hymen was broken through penetration, they wouldn't be a virgin. If their hymen was broken from horseback riding or some thing like that, then of course they'd still be a virgin. I'm not saying the the hymen is the determining factor whether you're a virgin or not. I'm saying it's concrete evidence. We all have different beliefs with virginity, but breaking the hymen is like a pregnancy test to see if you're a virgin or not. Not always, but for the most part.

Originally Posted by Rhiannax3

I had an operation on my hymen to remove it as it was difficult even to put tampons in.. Does that mean that after that I was not a virgin? Because that has nothing to do with anything sexual. And so my first time was just an experience, I didn't actually lose my virginity..

If it's not sexual then you're still a virgin. Having an operation on your hymen is different than using a dildo, because you're not using a dildo as an operation, you're using it as pleasure. Self-stimulation.

Originally Posted by Rhiannax3

Surely it is, but the people who lie about having sex are simply wrong, and they aren't virgins. Surely if you truly are a virgin, no question, then that's sacred?

And that's where virginity is questioned. We have different beliefs. If you give/receive oral sex and you consider that NOT losing your virginity, and Guy Y thinks differently, then you're not "truly" a virgin, you just consider yourself a virgin in YOUR mind. You're truly a virgin in your mind, but not to his. But if you haven't done ANYTHING sexual, and you're actually telling the truth about your virginity status, then I'd consider that important, but not sacred. Let's totally rewrite history and say that Jesus died in Alaska and his body was frozen and preserved, and people found his body and decided to sell it on ebay. Well, would you buy Jesus's body for 1.3 million dollars without knowing if he was truly Jesus? If he's truly Jesus, he's sacred and worth a lot more. If he's just a guy that looks like Jesus, then he's not as sacred, in fact...none at all. Same deal with virginity and the hymen...virginity is the body of Jesus, but the hymen is the DNA test to prove that he's Jesus.

Originally Posted by Rhiannax3

I don't mean to be argumentative, just nice to have a little debate

Glad you did.