[MisplacedDreamer]

Originally Posted by TigerTank77

Frankly, "deal with the consequences" sounds like it should be pared with "sex is icky."

I almost said that saying that those who said sex is for procreation so the woman should deal with the consequences (my opinion: in the matter that aligns with the poster's interpretation of the word consequences) sounds like they have a childish mindset because sex is used with the intent of recreationally, not procreationally. I took it out because I figured it was rude. Then I read your paragraph and was amused enough to throw it back in.

The thing that annoys me is when people try to say that having an abortion is not accepting consequences. Those people need to look up consequences. Any action is accepting consequences of being pregnant. The only one a person can argue is not accepting consequences is when a mother dumps a baby in a dumpster.

As for saying it should be legal only in the cases of rape, then how would you prove rape? Rape is drastically under-reported. It also is adding another traumatizing step for the woman to take.

I think it should be legal for any circumstance for any age. There should be a meeting at the most an hour before the drugs or pre-surgery antibiotics are given and there be an interview of what is going to happen. Women aren't stupid and they shouldn't be treated some delicate creature who can't make up their own mind.

I am not saying that some women won't regret it or aren't forced to do it, but there is little people can do to help those women in those situations. You can't identify the women who will regret it or those who have someone threatening them. You can ask the questions "Do you feel safe?" that they ask at all ER visits, gynecological procedures (in my state), and I think even regular doctor appointments, but if they don't say "yes" to that question, they probably won't ever say yes.

Even if a person is in a similar position as the woman who is pregnant, it is not the same and it no one should tell the woman not to have an abortion. It is an individual decision and it needs to remain that way. No one can walk even ten minutes in that person's shoes and the situation is still different.

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I find it highly unethical for someone to try and say that parents who want to adopt should be a factor in the debate. A woman is not a baby-factory and she should not be forced to carry to term so another couple could have the baby. It may be selfish on her part, but so would any law saying she has to give up a baby for adoption instead of aborting it. It's a no-win situation.

Another note, don't try to add heroics to an unborn child. He or she may cure cancer. He or she may lead an army into the battle. He or she may end up killing millions of people simply because of race or where they were born. The chances of them being great are as strong as them being evil. Most likely, they would be someone that no one would notice if they were gone because there are groups behind both the good and evil things usually. Very rarely is there just one person that makes it happen, but it's easier for history to remember just one name than the entire group.

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We all know exceptions and I doubt that people have four abortions by the time they are in high school. If she has had four abortions, then she must be lucky not to be in horrible pain each time and I wouldn't want her to be a mother anyway because she probably wouldn't follow proper prenatal care. People are idiots who sit there and say that abortion should be made illegal because some people get a lot of abortions. Yeah, I insulted people in a debate, but I don't think that people follow that argument all the way through. Do you want those people to actually have the responsibility of having prenatal care and not doing other activities that may harm the baby like drinking or smoking?

Adding more limitations also makes no sense like I said before. All it does is adding hurdles for someone and adding mental stress. I personally don't enjoy the thought of torturing women who already made up their mind. There was a support thread recently where the girl was extremely stressed out because of all the hurdles she had to go through. It's not an easy decision and it should be made as stress-free as possible.

Silly? Uh...all right. Consider this: If you were in a situation where you had to choose to save a little girl or a grown woman, but not both, which would you choose? If you thought logically, you'd probably want to save the little girl because she is younger than the older woman. My viewpoint is the same way, except inverted. In my view, it's better to abort a fetus the younger it is. The older it gets, the more closer it gets to becoming a full-blown human being. It might not make much of a difference to you, but I think that women who are able to notice signs of pregnancy and start taking affirmative action immediately are more responsible than the women who finally realize it later on.

Your argument is not logical, it is based on emotion. Logically, it would be better to save the older woman because of the cost of raising a child. She is already likely to be a productive member of society (she works) and already outlived many childhood diseases. The now-baby (since it was born) may die depending on how developed it is or contract some kind of disease and die in early childhood. The medical care that went to its' expenses were wasted as the young child contributed little if anything to society on a whole whereas the woman would have been paying taxes. (I know, taking part of the quote out of context as you don't think that. Just saying that it's not logical to save the girl.)

By the way, I really doubt people have five abortions before they are out of high school. Some people don't feel pain, but from what I understand, it's quite a painful experience regardless of pill or surgical form.

A cell is technically living. A plant is technically living. My cat has higher brain functioning than fetus (feti?) do when they are aborted. Technically living is not a legal argument. If you want to go the medical living definition, a heart beat isn't considered the only sign of life anymore thanks to advance technology. I have to do recitative efforts as long as there aren't signs like rigor mortis or pooling of the blood or cold to the touch.