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Half my post just got erased so now I gotta edit...ugggghh..

Originally Posted by TigerTank77

And if the condom breaks? Is it still their fault?

Of course it is. Every time you have sex, you risk getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant. Even if theres a 1% chance that it won't work, you still risk it. Whether you're pro choice or pro life, I don't see how you could think that it's NOT their fault in this case.

It's all about the language and the framing. It's not killing if the fetus can't survive outside the womb yet. If a fetus is 1 week old , an abortion merely fails to allow possible future development into a human baby.

So what you're saying is that it isn't human because it can't survive outside with the mother...Ok...Why not take this to a different level? What about all those people in the ICU living off machines? They can't survive off their machines and can't survive the environment. Therefore, they're not human. Right? And if it is 1 week old, you fail to allow possible future development, causing DEATH. In other words - You kill it. Another human being.

This is EXACTLY the correct thinking. WHY are abortions still in high demand? WHY are they necessary? Lack of sex education is schools, lack of access to contraception (or education on how to use contraception), dismal resources to help women care for a child that they can't afford, difficulties of mothers keeping work after maternity leave, short maternity/paternity leaves, teen pregnancy, ETC.


You're exactly right that outlawing abortion is not a solution. It just puts the problem under the rug (while women continue to have illegal abortions and die in large numbers from them). Addressing the social and economic issues I mention above will RADICALLY reduce the need and want for abortions.

We're on the same page in what should be done, but I still don't think that abortion should be legal because I view it as killing an innocent human being. But you won't see me parading the streets about it. I'd deal with some kind of medium similar to what Brandon posted.

Abortion is not about convenience. It is not a light, easy decision with no consequences. There are physical, psychological, and financial consequences to pregnancy, adoption, and abortion. If framed in a narrow black and white box, sure it is easy to say abortion is killing a baby. But please, take a step back and look at all the surrounding factors.

It sort of is about convenience. People do it because it's the easy way out. Not saying it makes it easy, but its certaintly the easiest way.

And I do look at all the surrounding factors. None of it justifies killing another human being.

This is a cold statement and I have thought about it a long time. A woman is already here. She is already contributing to society. A fetus is not. We have no idea what type of person that fetus may become if he or she will reach an age of maturity. If the woman feels it is better to get an abortion in her situation, then I don't see why a potential should be allowed to overrule someone who is already born and achieved adulthood (in terms of reproductive capability.) There are plenty of babies and older children in the world for people to concern themselves with.

Here, you're basically killing another person because he/she doesn't contribute to society. This is exactly what I think is wrong, and we shouldn't kill babies because "the woman will feel better." It doesn't justify it at all. Also, we don't know what the baby will be like in the future...But again, it's not grounds to kill it. I prefer to at least give the baby a chance at life.

i'm pro-choice. nobody has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body and we don't know the circumstances.

Like I said in a previous post, it's not about the woman's body. It's about the human life that's growing inside her body.

I'm all for abortion

If the baby doesn't get aborted, I have a feeling it would turn into a future criminal because of the lack of parenting.

So because the baby *might* turn into a criminal, we should kill it? I'm sorry, but this reason is just ridiculous. You'd might as well kill all kids who have bad parents because they *might* turn into criminals. That's essentially the same thing.