If Trump's no tax on tips ends up passing the House, then I am done tipping at venues that I don't expect to return to

[Proud90sKid]

I will still tip at bars that I am a regular at. However, if this passes, I am done tipping people at places that I don't expect to return to. I will write "if I have to pay taxes, you should too" on the tip line. Why should anyone spend their taxed income to give a tip to someone who is essentially now going to be tax exempt? I am well aware that the restaurant and bar industry is full of shady criminals who openly use drugs and don't report all their income, but making this law is absurd. It benefits customer facing people while possibly raising the prices for people who don't work with customers or don't work a tipped position. Hell, most of them get free drinks almost daily from patrons anyways. Why should I tip people in this shady industry when they are exempt from income tax. LOL. If I don't expect to return to a restaurant, then I will no longer be tipping. I will explain why on the tip line.

[Arabesque- golfing girl.]

Hello, when you are not giving a tip to a waiter, you are only hurting that person who is working because they are the one who is doing that job, you are not hurting anyone else. When we go to a restaurant, that is how they make money when someone gives them a tip. I also moved this so that it is a better fit.

[Mindfulness.]

Hi there,

I agree with the fact that tips are how a lot of servers, bartenders, etc make their money in order to be able to live.

I used to be a bartender and I was fortunate to be able to get a decent salary to not be able to just live of tips, yet in America, some restaurant workers are only getting like $5 an hour. That's crazy!

[Proud90sKid]

Originally Posted by Arabesque- golfing girl.

Hello, when you are not giving a tip to a waiter, you are only hurting that person who is working because they are the one who is doing that job, you are not hurting anyone else. When we go to a restaurant, that is how they make money when someone gives them a tip. I also moved this so that it is a better fit.

But if that is how they make their money, why should it be tax exempt? What is so special about customer facing workers that they don't need to be taxed like others? Fine, I won't tip zero, but I will take the equivalent tax out of the tip because I have to pay taxes. If they are now tax exempt, then they are making more money overall. But it is due to reasons that I find unfair, so I will reduce the tip because the tip is no longer being taxed. Less goes to Uncle Sam so a reduced tip will net them the same money. I don't see many servers struggling to pay rent. They make so much in tips that they already earn disproportionately to other workers who don't work with customers. In fact, that is the real reason they have the tipping system. If servers were paid by their employers the equivalent of what the cooks make, then many would just stop serving. Tipping is a horrible system, period. Should be abolished. I wouldn't mind an increase in menu prices to compensate, but the servers need to be paid by their employer and most of their income should not depend on a "voluntary" gift from the customer. Of course, servers would be the first to oppose such a measure, because they know they make more the way it is. It is also a reason female servers make more for literally the same work, because some men just love showing their money to women. Some men will leave a 100 dollar tip on a 50 dollar tab and also buy her free drinks that she gets to enjoy on the clock.

[Proud90sKid]

Originally Posted by Mindfulness.

Hi there,

I agree with the fact that tips are how a lot of servers, bartenders, etc make their money in order to be able to live.

I used to be a bartender and I was fortunate to be able to get a decent salary to not be able to just live of tips, yet in America, some restaurant workers are only getting like $5 an hour. That's crazy!

They make less than that in some states, but do you know why? It is because servers would be the first to complain about any reform to the system. If you paid them what the cook makes, they would probably immediately quit and complain about how "unfair" it is. They want those tips! That is what they literally want their income to be. As such, it should be taxed. They aren't victims, they are beneficiaries of a system that is unfair and inherently full of bias to begin with. Customers don't have to obey laws regarding fairness of wage across different genders and ethnic groups. A conversationally awkward older black man is going to receive much less in tips than a young blonde girl any day of the week.Tipped employees earn significantly more than many other types of workers. A bartender can earn more than a paramedic who is out saving lives. Servers don't want a fixed income, they want to get tips. That is why the law is the way it is. It is crazy, but not in the way you think. Servers in the US feel entitled to a "gift" from customers and customers are socially obligated to comply(can get banned if you don't give enough of this "voluntary gift"). They don't care much about what they make directly from the employer in the US. They are paid by the customer. As that is their income, it should be taxed like other worker''s incomes. That is simply fairness. Also, abolishing tipping completely is actually instilling a much more fair system. No reason the hot blonde girl who is a bartender should make more than a paramedic simply because some dudes want to show off and tip insane amounts and also buy her a bunch of drinks she can enjoy while on the clock. Restaurant industry is shady as hell too. Full of literally the most selfish people. Some of the shadiest people, drug addicts, and money launderers work at restaurants.

Also, due to redistribution of money, having tipped employees make more contributes to the rising costs that non-tipped workers must pay.

Why is my bartender making more than the paramedics? And why are they now trying to make them essentially tax exempt as well? This is the best thing for servers- they make little from their employers so don't have to pay much taxes under this new system. But they make a LOT (90-95 percent PLUS) on tips in America which the government wants to consider non-reportable income? So they make 50k a year but only have to pay the taxes of someone making essentially nothing. Does not seem fair at all! Again, servers would be the first to complain about a flat wage! If tips are tax exempt, then they should reduce the wages of tipped employees to zero and also reduce menu prices. They get essentially all their money from tips after all and they love the system the way it is!

At my local bar, they hold a birthday celebration for each (female) bartender. The manager gives them a banner saying "birthday" and by the end of the night, she will have hundreds of dollars pinned on it (which to me is SO cringe, worse than panhandling- I got nothing at all for my last birthday, nor did I expect anything or anyone to remember--seems like a blatant "it is my special day I feel entitled to, give me money and recognition" to me) given by drunk men, which is on top of tips they receive. I have seen this twice in the past month.

[Special Agent]

Hello,

I moved this thread from General to Current Events and Debates due to the topic. I feel this is the more appropriate location for this discussion.

Kind Regards,

Junior

[Arabesque- golfing girl.]

When we go out to eat we should always give them a tip, that is how they make more money because the waiters do not make that much money.