Smoking whilst pregnant.

[Palmolive]

I don't see why everything bad is being brought up. Smoking is worse than drinking caffeine. That's why there's law on it etc. In the UK it's legal to smoke when your sixteen and legal to buy cigarettes when your eighteen to try and prevent younger people smoking because it's a serious drug and is extremely harmful. Theres not legal age to drink caffeine because its not that dangerous.

However, yes like said, things like caffeine can still have an affect on the baby, and I would still try and drink less if any caffeine will being pregnant as well as all the other bad things.

But it doesn't make smoking okay while being pregnent.

[The ANTI-Troll]

Originally Posted by Jessie'Lou

I don't see why everything bad is being brought up. Smoking is worse than drinking caffeine. That's why there's law on it etc. In the UK it's legal to smoke when your sixteen and legal to buy cigarettes when your eighteen to try and prevent younger people smoking because it's a serious drug and is extremely harmful. Theres not legal age to drink caffeine because its not that dangerous.

However, yes like said, things like caffeine can still have an affect on the baby, and I would still try and drink less if any caffeine will being pregnant as well as all the other bad things.

But it doesn't make smoking okay while being pregnent.

cause thats all you guys ever complain about.. we had a thread on this exact topic 2months ago and you guys are always bashing smokers...im starting to think you all are turning into anti smoking nazi's when are you gonna start rounding us up and putting us in camps ?

[Palmolive]

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

cause thats all you guys ever complain about.. we had a thread on this exact topic 2months ago and you guys are always bashing smokers...im starting to think you all are turning into anti smoking nazi's when are you gonna start rounding us up and putting us in camps ?

Im not an anti-smoker. I am a smoker. Its up to people whether they smoke. I just disagree with smoking will pregnant because its causing harm to another human being.
This forum is about debates. Theres going to be things you don't like, but you don't have to respond if it really bothers you.

[noise94]

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

cause thats all you guys ever complain about.. we had a thread on this exact topic 2months ago and you guys are always bashing smokers...im starting to think you all are turning into anti smoking nazi's when are you gonna start rounding us up and putting us in camps ?

I could not care less if someone wants to smoke. Seriously, go ahead. But personally, I don't feel people should smoke around other people (unless those people are okay with that) or while pregnant. You can't go around calling people Nazis just because they don't agree with you.

[The ANTI-Troll]

Originally Posted by Lil'TeppyLala

I could not care less if someone wants to smoke. Seriously, go ahead. But personally, I don't feel people should smoke around other people (unless those people are okay with that) or while pregnant. You can't go around calling people Nazis just because they don't agree with you.

look at what nazis did... they went out and outlawed certain kinds of people and the people they found they eliminated or arrested and they hated people for just being themselves.... sounds like the same thing here....

people hate smokers, outlaw smoking from public places,make them smoke in there own little areas. sounds alot like nazi in my eyes i call it as i see it...

[Prozac]

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

look at what nazis did... they went out and outlawed certain kinds of people and the people they found they eliminated or arrested and they hated people for just being themselves.... sounds like the same thing here....

people hate smokers, outlaw smoking from public places,make them smoke in there own little areas. sounds alot like nazi in my eyes i call it as i see it...

The German National Socialists destroyed and attacked people more than substance, plus the people they killed were not directly nor scientifically having a negative effect on other peoples health. Smoking does not define a person.

[Gingerbread Latte]

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

look at what nazis did... they went out and outlawed certain kinds of people and the people they found they eliminated or arrested and they hated people for just being themselves.... sounds like the same thing here....

people hate smokers, outlaw smoking from public places,make them smoke in there own little areas. sounds alot like nazi in my eyes i call it as i see it...

The Nazis disliked Jews. I hardly think a religion and choosing to smoke is the same thing...

Yes, as a matter of fact I do dislike people smoking around me. Because it's harmful for ME. They can harm themselves all they want but why should I get harmed because of something they're choosing to do?!

It's the same thing for a mother and baby. It's not just the mother thinking of herself anymore.

[Kitty.]

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

i dont see how its selfish still its like walking in someones house and telling them to not watch tv or drink this or that while there present.

as for caffeine...
http://www.babycenter.com/caffeine-during-pregnancy

No, I am telling someone not to hurt another human being. That is MUCH different.

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

look at what nazis did... they went out and outlawed certain kinds of people and the people they found they eliminated or arrested and they hated people for just being themselves.... sounds like the same thing here....

people hate smokers, outlaw smoking from public places,make them smoke in there own little areas. sounds alot like nazi in my eyes i call it as i see it...

Okay Dustin, let me explain to you why I don't like smoking.

I don't hate smokers.
I dislike smoking because it is HARMFUL. Smoking is dangerous.

Tobacco in a cigarette has more than 400 toxic substances and 4,000 chemical compounds.
Smoking kills 144,000 people in the UK a year. Imagine how many people in all the other parts of the world die from smoking.
Cardiovascular disease, Cancer, COPD, etc. etc. are caused by smoking.
Second-hand smoke is more dangerous than first-hand.
I have a problem with smoking because MY health is being put at risk.

And look at it. If smoking effects adults that badly, imagine what kind of damage that it is doing to a baby.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_ad...mokehealth.htm
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/disea...y-smoking.html


Okay? Do you understand? I'm not a Nazi. I would like to keep my health.
No, smoking might not effect you negatively. You might be lucky. There are people who are. I know a man who is 80 and he has smoked 60 years and is fine.
On the other hand, I know at least 10 to 15 people who have bad effects from smoking.

[The ANTI-Troll]

Originally Posted by Strawberries

No, I am telling someone not to hurt another human being. That is MUCH different.



Okay Dustin, let me explain to you why I don't like smoking.

I don't hate smokers.
I dislike smoking because it is HARMFUL. Smoking is dangerous.

Tobacco in a cigarette has more than 400 toxic substances and 4,000 chemical compounds.
Smoking kills 144,000 people in the UK a year. Imagine how many people in all the other parts of the world die from smoking.
Cardiovascular disease, Cancer, COPD, etc. etc. are caused by smoking.
Second-hand smoke is more dangerous than first-hand.
I have a problem with smoking because MY health is being put at risk.

And look at it. If smoking effects adults that badly, imagine what kind of damage that it is doing to a baby.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_ad...mokehealth.htm
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/disea...y-smoking.html


Okay? Do you understand? I'm not a Nazi. I would like to keep my health.
No, smoking might not effect you negatively. You might be lucky. There are people who are. I know a man who is 80 and he has smoked 60 years and is fine.
On the other hand, I know at least 10 to 15 people who have bad effects from smoking.

huh uh sure........ if smoking was so bad for ya then we'd all be dead by now since its been around for what 18,000 years ? anyways im done with any smoking thread on here...

but ill be sure next time im in public and i light up and someone does that "cough cough cough" thing i blow a big old smoke ring there direction :P

[Kitty.]

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

huh uh sure........ if smoking was so bad for ya then we'd all be dead by now since its been around for what 18,000 years ? anyways im done with any smoking thread on here...

Did you not read what I put?
People HAVE died from smoking. Hundreds of thousands a year DIE from smoking and babies die because of that and/or they have health problems. It's obvious that smoking while pregnant is irresponsible.

[Doodle.]

I'm sorry but you can not deny that smoking isn't bad for you :| Sure, it doesn't kill every single person who smokes but it DOES give you health risks and it CAN make you die young. This is why I give up. I didn't see the bloody point anymore :/ you're harming yourself and people around you to have a small nicotine rush now and then.

[Kyeto-X]

Originally Posted by Strawberries

Unhealthy food is not the best for the baby, but it doesn't cause birth defects. The difference between unhealthy food and smoking is that smoking is causing serious problems with the baby. Some people have to live with asthma their whole lives because their mom made the irresponsible and selfish decision to smoke while pregnant.

I agree. Eating unhealthy just cuts off a good nutritional source. Smoking and drinking can give your body teratogen...which cauase major birth defects. Not just underdevolpment, but an over development of BAD things... There is a big difference in not feeding your child right, and irradiating them with uranium 235. One makes you weak and not healthy, the other give you cancer and not healthy

[Briana]

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

huh uh sure........ if smoking was so bad for ya then we'd all be dead by now since its been around for what 18,000 years ? anyways im done with any smoking thread on here...

but ill be sure next time im in public and i light up and someone does that "cough cough cough" thing i blow a big old smoke ring there direction :P

I know many people who are very ill from smoking AND who have died because of it. It may not be bad now, but just like anything else, it takes awhile to see the effects.

Be carfeul with the blowing nonsense (of the cig) people are allergic to the stuff, thats why the cough. I cough when I breathe it in.

It is illegal to smoke in bars/resturants/etc. here, I am sure you know that part Anti Troll, and I am happy about it because I can confortably go out to eat and not have to have a coughing attack.

I think it is wrong to smoke pregnant, just like smoking in the car with kids in the backseat. It just isn't right. But, ya there isn't anything we can do but argue about it. You have your opinion, but listen to others and take in what they say.

[Dark-and-Twisty]

Every time I see a pregnant woman smoking, I want to walk up to her and flick that cigarette out of her mouth. It's selfish and just plain cruel.

Then again, I find smoking selfish--period. It's not fair to us who prefer to breathe clean air. I'm so grateful that my state has made smoking in public places illegal. Unfortunately, other states have not gone to that level.

But there's nothing more innocent than an unborn child.

[MisplacedDreamer]

There are many factors when comparing people overall than just dissecting one case. It can sometimes be worse to go cold turkey suddenly than to slowly cut down depending on how much the mother smoked and how far long
the pregnancy is.

And sometimes it can be hard to quit and yes, some people can quit easier than others so no one should say "I quit so everyone can!" There are many factors like age started, amount smoking, how often, how much they have tried quit, genetics, and so on.

They should be encouraged to stop and be made aware of the risks, but that should be discussed with qualified health practitioners and not some person off the street. A layperson can do more harm than good.

Smoking is one of the very worst things you can do whilst pregnant.

Caffeine and alcohol, neither are ideal but in very small portions won't cause harm.

Please tell me more about this. What are your sources?

Unhealthy food is not the best for the baby, but it doesn't cause birth defects. The difference between unhealthy food and smoking is that smoking is causing serious problems with the baby. Some people have to live with asthma their whole lives because their mom made the irresponsible and selfish decision to smoke while pregnant.

Malnutrition can cause birth defects. The increased risk of spinal deformities related to lack of folate are well-known. Caffeine is considered unhealthy and that can increase the risk of miscarriage which may not be a deformity, but that is a "serious problem."

[thebigmole]

[Edit]

But the fact is the law recognizes a person's rights ends where their actions harm someone else. So you have the right to do whatever you want to yourself, but when you are sharing your body with someone else then you don't get to do things that will harm the both of you.

And you might think that people are being nazi like, but as much as people have the right to risk their health, people have the right to protect their health, and that means not being exposed to second hand smoke.

[MisplacedDreamer]

[Edit]

The law does not always recognize a fetus as a person as it should not.

[Doodle.]

Can I just say I am pro-choice when it comes to abortion, and I don't really see a foetus as a human/person either. BUT if you've decided to keep and raise the child surely you should be responsible as soon as you find out you're pregnant. After the child is born s/he may have health problems due to what happened when s/he was a foetus.

[Casey.]

Hey guys? Do me a favour, and keep the personal attacks to a minimum, as in not at all. I don't want to have to close this, but if it turns into just an array of personal attacks and fights I will.

Thanks.

[Maloo]

Well once again we're getting slapped on the hand, so I'm done in this thread.

I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of the population understands that smoking while pregnant is wrong. Point blank.

[off to a new life]

Originally Posted by Strawberries

No, I am telling someone not to hurt another human being. That is MUCH different.



Okay Dustin, let me explain to you why I don't like smoking.

I don't hate smokers.
I dislike smoking because it is HARMFUL. Smoking is dangerous.

Tobacco in a cigarette has more than 400 toxic substances and 4,000 chemical compounds.
Smoking kills 144,000 people in the UK a year. Imagine how many people in all the other parts of the world die from smoking.
Cardiovascular disease, Cancer, COPD, etc. etc. are caused by smoking.
Second-hand smoke is more dangerous than first-hand.
I have a problem with smoking because MY health is being put at risk.

And look at it. If smoking effects adults that badly, imagine what kind of damage that it is doing to a baby.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_ad...mokehealth.htm
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/disea...y-smoking.html


Okay? Do you understand? I'm not a Nazi. I would like to keep my health.
No, smoking might not effect you negatively. You might be lucky. There are people who are. I know a man who is 80 and he has smoked 60 years and is fine.
On the other hand, I know at least 10 to 15 people who have bad effects from smoking.

Well, a baby is only going to be exposed to it for 10 months. I don't think any of those people affected by what you mentioned smoked for 10 months or less.

Also, I would really like to see some actual statistics of the risks of smoking on a baby. I know there are risks and it's definitely better not to take the risk, but if the risks aren't too high (which seems to be the case) then it's understandable why some women continue to smoke while pregnant. Smoking can be extremely addictive and hard to quit.

[her_beautiful_mistake]

Oh god just stop talking.



Jussttttt to clarify why I would like him to stop talking

I do not feel there is any point in continuing an argument with someone who is so fixed in his views, we go round and round (and round) in circles. Lots of evidence has been offered to counteract the view that smoking whilst pregnant is not harmful, or up to the choice of the mother, and at some point someone has to stand up and say, hey you know what we're getting nowhere here.

However MOSTLY it's because it's just so painful to read what he has to say and frankly I'd rather not have to. Honestly is the best policy, after all.

And once and for all, can we all stop trying to kid ourselves that this is debating? This is simply squabbling. So I can hardly appologise for not bringing the Oxford Debating Guidelines into a thread on a teenhelp forum full of teenagers. But if you'd like me to I'd be very happy to procrastinate over the holidays by making a thread explaining how it should be done.

[FlyingTrue]

Originally Posted by Kismet

Well, a baby is only going to be exposed to it for 10 months. I don't think any of those people affected by what you mentioned smoked for 10 months or less.

Those 9-10 months are the period of time where the baby is actually, how should I put it, being born? Developing? Being created from scratch?

Here are statistics:
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/toba...Rpregnancy.htm

In my opinion, smoking is wrong, period. Especially during pregnancy, that is completely, and utterly, unacceptable by any means. There is no logical reason why people would do something which has no purpose except to damage their own health. What especially makes it bad is when people do it it puts my own health at risk because it goes right into the air. When people do this I feel, heck they aren't giving a care about their own health, why would they give a care about the health of others? Or is this a futile attempt to declare invincibility? What is the mentality behind this bad smoking thing?

[off to a new life]

Originally Posted by FlyingTrue

Those 9-10 months are the period of time where the baby is actually, how should I put it, being born? Developing? Being created from scratch?

Here are statistics:
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/toba...Rpregnancy.htm

Again, that site is just a list of possibilities without any real hard numbers.

Originally Posted by FlyingTrue

In my opinion, smoking is wrong, period. Especially during pregnancy, that is completely, and utterly, unacceptable by any means. There is no logical reason why people would do something which has no purpose except to damage their own health. What especially makes it bad is when people do it it puts my own health at risk because it goes right into the air. When people do this I feel, heck they aren't giving a care about their own health, why would they give a care about the health of others? Or is this a futile attempt to declare invincibility? What is the mentality behind this bad smoking thing?

Of course there is no logical reason to smoke during pregnancy, but it's not about logic. Smoking is an addiction, and a very strong one at that! You can't just brush off the fact that it's so addicting. There are people who nearly die from lung cancer and still continue to smoke because they are so addicted.

I do not advocate smoking during pregnancy at all, but I think there should be some understanding for women who do smoke while pregnant. They usually aren't horrible awful people that don't care about their kid. The risks are minimal to moderate, and the addiction is strong.

[Smitten]

I think smoking should be illegal. PERIOD.
Smoking anywhere except inside a air-tight room is a incredibly selfish act. smoking while pregnant, in my opinion, should be grounds for hospital admission under Tarasoff if the mother is in therapy, and grounds for arrest and involuntary commitment should the mother not be in therapy.
With all the research confirming the amount of damage that smoking whilst pregnant can do to your child, doing so should be a crime - and if you are a parent and smoke near your children, it should be grounds for child services to take them away from you!

Safe to say I have strong feelings on this subject, no?

[MisplacedDreamer]

Originally Posted by her_beautiful_mistake

Oh god just stop talking.



Jussttttt to clarify why I would like him to stop talking

I do not feel there is any point in continuing an argument with someone who is so fixed in his views, we go round and round (and round) in circles. Lots of evidence has been offered to counteract the view that smoking whilst pregnant is not harmful, or up to the choice of the mother, and at some point someone has to stand up and say, hey you know what we're getting nowhere here.

However MOSTLY it's because it's just so painful to read what he has to say and frankly I'd rather not have to. Honestly is the best policy, after all.

And once and for all, can we all stop trying to kid ourselves that this is debating? This is simply squabbling. So I can hardly appologise for not bringing the Oxford Debating Guidelines into a thread on a teenhelp forum full of teenagers. But if you'd like me to I'd be very happy to procrastinate over the holidays by making a thread explaining how it should be done.

Honesty is not the best policy. Think it through and say whether you truly believe that. And if everyone posted along that line of what your original post said, it would get lost. I can see it now. Person: Hey, I disagree with you and you're asking for facts, but I don't want to research it so I'll just say to stop talking.

Only one credible site has been posted that based its information off of one study. Six years is considered old in medical research time. So I think he or she is justified in asking for more information supporting the other side's beliefs.

[her_beautiful_mistake]

Originally Posted by MisplacedDreamer

Honesty is not the best policy. Think it through and say whether you truly believe that. And if everyone posted along that line of what your original post said, it would get lost. I can see it now. Person: Hey, I disagree with you and you're asking for facts, but I don't want to research it so I'll just say to stop talking.

Only one credible site has been posted that based its information off of one study. Six years is considered old in medical research time. So I think he or she is justified in asking for more information supporting the other side's beliefs.

No, I do not believe that honesty is the best policy in all situations, however I am great fan of satire, wit and general sarcasm. As it appears you cannot always detect this I will try to be clearer from now on.

It's not exactly hard:
http://www.tripdatabase.com/search?c...ring+pregnancy

And if you are unaware of datebases to search, justfreakingoogleit.com http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...MNgbmEB8j3-LcO

This literally took me 30 seconds.

If people will continue to attempt to argue against the fact that the grass is green, then yes, I will ask them to stop talking.
Ironic really that you've now lead the debate astray. I hope your conscious isn't too guilty .

[her_beautiful_mistake]

Misplaced Dreamer; only just saw that you quoted me. Please actually quote me properly otherwise I will not see it.

Alcohol should be avoided but not terrible in small moderation
http://www.nhs.uk/Planners/pregnancy...landdrugs.aspx

Caffeine:
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Preg...d-Caffeine.htm

Compared to smoking..
http://www.nhs.uk/planners/pregnancy...s/Smoking.aspx

[MisplacedDreamer]

Originally Posted by her_beautiful_mistake

No, I do not believe that honesty is the best policy in all situations, however I am great fan of satire, wit and general sarcasm. As it appears you cannot always detect this I will try to be clearer from now on.

It's not exactly hard:
http://www.tripdatabase.com/search?c...ring+pregnancy

And if you are unaware of datebases to search, justfreakingoogleit.com http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...MNgbmEB8j3-LcO

This literally took me 30 seconds.

If people will continue to attempt to argue against the fact that the grass is green, then yes, I will ask them to stop talking.
Ironic really that you've now lead the debate astray. I hope your conscious isn't too guilty .

Sorry, I won't assume that people will remember what they write within in the past week in a discussion they are posting in. I quoted you in blocks so if you had read my previous posts, you would have bothered. Unless you are referring to the "person," in which case you would clearly realize that I was not quoting you as I did not put quotation marks. I was making fun of your laziness.

He was asking for research and stats. You posted from a trusted source, but once again, the NHS is not citing where they are getting their information. I do know what NHS is, but he asked for research and stats.

[Storyteller.]

In my opinion, smoking around other people is wrong in any case.
Smoking while pregnant, or around children - who don't know any better, and can't be expected to know it's bad for them - is completely irresponsible.

[Ennui.]

I don't like it when people smoke when they are pregnant. It can give their child many health problems that they would have a less of a risk of getting if the mother doesn't smoke.
My mom smoked when she was pregnant with my sister, and then again with me.
She was 43 when she had me, I was born premature, had RSV when born, and got asthma. I'm not saying that it was all because my mom smoked, but I'm sure it was at least a small part of it.
I don't think a mother should put her child in serious risk of illness or death so she can smoke. She'd be making both her child and herself healthier if she stopped, at least while pregnant.

[her_beautiful_mistake]

Originally Posted by MisplacedDreamer

Sorry, I won't assume that people will remember what they write within in the past week in a discussion they are posting in. I quoted you in blocks so if you had read my previous posts, you would have bothered. Unless you are referring to the "person," in which case you would clearly realize that I was not quoting you as I did not put quotation marks. I was making fun of your laziness.

He was asking for research and stats. You posted from a trusted source, but once again, the NHS is not citing where they are getting their information. I do know what NHS is, but he asked for research and stats.

What exactly about tripdatabase is unreliable, eh? Did you even bother to read the research papers?

And yes it would be good to assume I don't remember what I write on this forum. It's hardly the top priority of my life, I can't say that I go around thinking about what is going on here. At no point in this thread have you properly quoted me. Unless you quote me, I will not read it, and I will probably forget that I posted it. I have a pretty busy life, I'm not ashamed that I don't make a massive effort on here, if that's what you're trying to say? I skim through these threads and unless you quote me properly I won't notice, as showed.

As you have now sunk to basic insult I am going to choose not to reply to your posts again. Get a life dear, this is simply an internet forum.

[forfrosne]

You should not be smoking while pregnant. Period.

(no pun intended)

However, I fully support your right to smoke if you want to. I'm all for less government interference telling us what we are allowed and not allowed to do.

[The ANTI-Troll]

Originally Posted by Briana

I know many people who are very ill from smoking AND who have died because of it. It may not be bad now, but just like anything else, it takes awhile to see the effects.

Be carfeul with the blowing nonsense (of the cig) people are allergic to the stuff, thats why the cough. I cough when I breathe it in.

It is illegal to smoke in bars/resturants/etc. here, I am sure you know that part Anti Troll, and I am happy about it because I can confortably go out to eat and not have to have a coughing attack.

I think it is wrong to smoke pregnant, just like smoking in the car with kids in the backseat. It just isn't right. But, ya there isn't anything we can do but argue about it. You have your opinion, but listen to others and take in what they say.

a couple bars still allow smoking around where i live and rather pay the fine cause they make it up and more cause of catering to smokers.. but usually if i do decide to go somewhere different out to eat i drive 40minutes and travel over to the indiana where its legal.

[MisplacedDreamer]

@her_beautiful_mistake

Try actually citing the articles and not being lazy by posting a list of articles that may or may not be relevant. If you cited that page in a research article, your teachers would give you an F because it in itself is not research. It contains links.

As for insult level, I merely sunk to your own level. At least I am not the one telling people to shut up instead of providing the evidence which is once again laziness on your part.

As for getting a life, I really like the one that I have now. It is just an Internet forum and you should lighten up a little bit. Telling people to shut up is a wasteful post and not encouraging debates here.

[BabyIndia]

Smoking whilst preganant should be made illegal!!

If i was preganant and smoked all the way through my pregancy and the baby was born with problems I would never forgive myself.

Where as if I hadn't smoked during and the baby was born with problems at least i know I did everything in my power to keep that baby healthy

Would also like to say to "strawberries" You can't just generalize every person having asthma that they parents smoked.
I'm an asthmatic and my parents never smoked and I was never around anyone that smoked.

[Maloo]

Originally Posted by Kismet

Of course there is no logical reason to smoke during pregnancy, but it's not about logic. Smoking is an addiction, and a very strong one at that! You can't just brush off the fact that it's so addicting. There are people who nearly die from lung cancer and still continue to smoke because they are so addicted.

I do not advocate smoking during pregnancy at all, but I think there should be some understanding for women who do smoke while pregnant. They usually aren't horrible awful people that don't care about their kid. The risks are minimal to moderate, and the addiction is strong.

Both my parents smoked and quit, my brother-in-law smoked and quit, many people I work with smoked and quit. Just because it's supposedly hard to do doesn't make it right.

[emma01]

Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll

huh uh sure........ if smoking was so bad for ya then we'd all be dead by now since its been around for what 18,000 years ? anyways im done with any smoking thread on here...

but ill be sure next time im in public and i light up and someone does that "cough cough cough" thing i blow a big old smoke ring there direction :P

Im sure you were the one on the 'kids today' thread that said they hated kids being so disrespectful and shutting doors in your face...wow who's a hypocrit! That must be one of the most disrespectful things I have ever heard!

Originally Posted by Myss

Well once again we're getting slapped on the hand, so I'm done in this thread.

I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of the population understands that smoking while pregnant is wrong. Point blank.

I agree

[Guile]

WOH WOH WOH! Hold on a ****ing minute here!

I see many of you have posted in the abortion thread as well, and many of you, although not pro-abortion, support legalized abortions. Yet! It is now bad to harm an (unborn) baby, who many of you have said should not be counted as a person. Meh, I am pro-responsibility, so I support aborting bad children, but I just want to throw this out there to show the bit of a quandary this is.

[emma01]

Originally Posted by Guile

WOH WOH WOH! Hold on a ****ing minute here!

I see many of you have posted in the abortion thread as well, and many of you, although not pro-abortion, support legalized abortions. Yet! It is now bad to harm an (unborn) baby, who many of you have said should not be counted as a person. Meh, I am pro-responsibility, so I support aborting bad children, but I just want to throw this out there to show the bit of a quandary this is.

I think abortions should be legal but i dont agree with smoking while pregnant and heres why, when aborting a baby, it doesnt get hurt... It doesn't suffer and its life is ending, so any discomfort felt by the 'baby' doesnt last long. By smoking while pregnant, a real life child is at risk, and if that child has some sort of disability, it has to suffer for 80 odd years. See the difference?