Hello guest! (Not a guest? Log in above!) As a guest you can submit help requests, create and reply to Forum posts, join our Chat Room and read our range of articles & resources. By registering you will be able to get fully involved in our community and enjoy features such as connect with members worldwide, add friends & send messages, express yourself through a Blog, find others with similar interests in Social Groups, post pictures and links, set up a profile and more! Signing up is free, anonymous and will only take a few moments, so click here to register now!
LGBTQ+, Sexuality and Gender Identity This forum is for you to explore your sexuality and identity, whatever that may be.
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
October 28th 2013, 03:28 PM
Yeah Jelly belly never tasted good.. Seems a-bit odd to donate to a anti trans campagin, It's not like the campagin will succeed if anything it will just cause arguments and discrimation claims being made.
'There will be bad days, there will be good days, there will be really bad days, and really good days, and days that are not bad or good but just simply suck, but either way you got through it and you are here today and that is all that really matters''
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
October 28th 2013, 05:14 PM
Here's a question... Was it the CEO's money that he donated to the cause he supports or was it the company's money? If it is was his own money, then so what? You cannot have everyone agree with the same thing and he should be allowed to spend his money how he sees fit including supporting political campaigns.
It sounds like it is how own personal money and not the company's. Therefore, I think it is silly refuse to ever eat Jelly Beans again because the CEO doesn't agree with my own political values. I still eat Chick-Fil-A food because it tastes good and the average joe that works at the company probably could care less what their CEO/whatever believes. It's a job or a career for them and a way to make ends meet.
Let him spend his money how he wants.
In fact, I work at a hospital that is part of a larger religious group and I am an atheist. I do not agree with all of their policies, but it is a career that pays very well for me.
Gender: Addams (think Addams family - Addams Family Values pt2)
Location: The Internet
Posts: 79
Points: 6,584, Level: 11
Join Date: October 15th 2013
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
October 28th 2013, 10:12 PM
As far as I can tell, it was his personal money, not the companies money, so, what is the problem? It is not company money, and therefore not company policy. This reminds me of the Chick-fil-A same-sex marriage controversy, except I think in that case it was company money/views not the personal money/views of one of the owners. Will I stop buying them? No (not that I buy jelly beans of any type very often).
I like to help, and give advice, but I can be brutally honest. Feel free to PM me if you want, for any reason. I have yet to find a topic that I will not talk about, regardless of how much, or little I know about the topic.
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
October 30th 2013, 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peanut~
As far as I can tell, it was his personal money, not the companies money, so, what is the problem? It is not company money, and therefore not company policy. This reminds me of the Chick-fil-A same-sex marriage controversy, except I think in that case it was company money/views not the personal money/views of one of the owners. Will I stop buying them? No (not that I buy jelly beans of any type very often).
I think it's relevant on the grounds of his money probably coming from his company anyway. Regardless, what he's doing is, to my mind, morally wrong and therefore - where there is an alternative to supporting him - we may as well take ot.
I'm not overly keen on jelly beans anyway, but an anti-[group of people] campaign seems pretty disgusting to me.
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
October 30th 2013, 01:24 PM
That's a shame, Jelly Belly are the only jelly beans I'll eat. That being said, I agree with those saying that it was that guy's own money and not the company's, so it shouldn't affect anything related to his business. People are allowed their own interests/opinions outside of their professional lives, their businesses shouldn't be penalised for that.
But yes, I agree he's an asshole. What kind of person in a rainbow-filled profession can be against anything LGBT?
Throw those curtains wide
One day like this a year would see me right
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
October 30th 2013, 06:28 PM
I hate jelly beans anyway but even so, it wouldn't stop me from buying them if I did. If he wants to spend his own personal money on such things then so be it. He may have gotten that money from his company but it's still his own personal money, it's not like the Jelly Bean brand itself is covered in anti-trans slogans, if so then I would be more pissed off.
There is plenty of arseholes in the world with this view that we should be against LGBT and everything that comes with it, one more doesn't make a difference. I believe eventually, this will all be a thing of the past.
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
October 30th 2013, 11:32 PM
Well, I'm not going to say this guy is a jerk and what he did was wrong, because that would be hypocritical. I do bad stuff too, so does the rest of the world. No one has a perfect morality. However, what he did was distasteful. I support LGBT rights even though I don't really think getting a sex change is a good idea. Not because it plays with god, but because it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to successfully get one. Also, I hate these "Anti" groups. Anti-gays Anti-trans Anti- anything, they're all jerks. I'm boycotting chick-fil-a for supporting Anti-gay groups, and now I'm boycotting This company, for supporting anti-tran groups.
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
October 31st 2013, 12:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraziee65
I support LGBT rights even though I don't really think getting a sex change is a good idea. Not because it plays with god, but because it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to successfully get one.
The same could be said for getting a house or having a child. Just sayin' .
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
November 7th 2013, 07:52 PM
After the whole Chic-fil-A controversy went down, I would think more people would've come to the realization that these "UGH BIGOTS" type of boycotts are petty, pointless and often backfire. The people who support the Jelly Belly CEO's decision will hear about this and start buying Jelly Belly's products en masse, just like they did when Chic-fil-A's president made that statement about gay marriage. Do the math: trans people are about 0.02% of the population, and Christians are upwards of 75%. Which side realistically (i.e. outside of Tumblr) comprises the overwhelming majority? Sorry, but you're under-leveled for this fight and even the splash damage alone is enough to one-shot you. GG.
And don't think for a minute that the "Jelly Beans are anti-trans" line won't get found and ridiculed by the right-wing sites and further their cause. It only lends validation to the conservative claim that the social justice brigade is petty and childish.
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
November 15th 2013, 12:56 AM
Companies are all titles to their own opinions and with so much topics in the media right now I bet there will be more and more companies that take a strong stand; being that I support this and (gay marriage in general) this would make me think twice about buying jelly belly; but they are very heavenly beans... >.>
Through darkness does the light shine even brighter
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
November 15th 2013, 10:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prof.Engrish
Companies are all titles to their own opinions and with so much topics in the media right now I bet there will be more and more companies that take a strong stand; being that I support this and (gay marriage in general) this would make me think twice about buying jelly belly; but they are very heavenly beans... >.>
Do you think that the CEO should be punished for his own personal beliefs that he spent his own personal money on? I don't.
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
November 16th 2013, 02:07 AM
Well, here's my two cents:
Just because his personal money is earned through this company, doesn't mean the company can dictate who and what he donates to. He's a human being, with his own beliefs and things to stand for, and he's allowed to be anti-trans in the same way I'm allowed to be pro-trans. So long as his support isn't hurting anybody, or suppressing anybody, or affecting who he'll hire, then it's his money, and his choice.
Recently I heard that a mayor in Canada has been caught smoking cocaine. That directly affects his decision making, so it's important. This CEO's own personal biases have little to do with his work life, and therefore should be left alone.
And, finally, those jelly beans are the expensive ones anyway. I always go for Pascall jelly beans, because in my opinion, they're the tastiest, and they're also far cheaper than Jelly Belly jelly beans.
I just think it's wrong of us to judge this guy. He's not misappropriating funds, he's not hurting people, he's simply donating to a cause that lines up with what he believes. I also think that what he's donating to could quite possibly lead to a better alternative - purpose built bathrooms for those whose gender identity does not align with their physical gender (sex), or unisex bathrooms. Because to be quite honest, if I went into a female bathroom, and there was a male in there who I did not know, my first reaction wouldn't be to assume that he's trans - my first reaction would be to think he's there doing something inappropriate. Gender identity would not be a conclusion I would jump to.
I wouldn't donate to the same cause, I'm just saying maybe there's a better alternative, and that the money he's donating, whilst it does not line up with my own personal ideals, could somehow contribute to that better alternative.
Re: Jelly Beans are anti-trans. -
November 19th 2013, 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prof.Engrish
No I strongly am against any repercussions done against him. The CEO has his right to believe what he wants to and express his opinions.
I actually envy him for taking up and standing for what he believes in while others don't voice their views.
I don't really count it as standing up. I think it's more he donated money to causes. Thousands of people donate money to similar causes without actively voicing their opinions. It just happened someone noticed his name on a log from what I can tell. It's not like Chick-fil-A.