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Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
May 31st 2009, 07:58 PM
I just saw this on the news and I was wondering on what everyone else's take on this was.
Me being pro-life, I really think that this gunman is just giving others like me a bad name. I know, this man was strongly for abortion, but was killing him really the best way to handle this situation?
Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
May 31st 2009, 10:08 PM
There is no difference between this and Muslim extremism; it's terrorism, and more importantly, it's domestic terrorism. This guy should be sent to guantanamo bay and then be waterboarded.
Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 1st 2009, 01:38 AM
I'm curious about what the gunman thought this would accomplish. All this does is make all pro-lifers seem like psycho vigilantes, which doesn't help their cause. Killing one abortion doctor isn't going to stop abortions, it means the women who were going to see that doctor are now going to see a different one. All he's done is guaranteed himself a lengthy prison sentence. Some people just have no sense in them.
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Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 1st 2009, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by EDGE
He made a strong statement.
yeah, but i don't think its the statement he meant to make. It doesn't make people think "oh wow, abortion is bad" it makes people think he's crazy and it carries that thought to other pro-lifers.
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Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 1st 2009, 08:27 PM
That is soooo hypocritical. Killing someone because you're against aborting life...wow, that makes a lot of sense. =/
If someone's against abortion then fine, I don't think I have any power to change their beliefs. But murder isn't the best way to go about voicing that view. It's just sick.
Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 2nd 2009, 01:33 AM
Wow, that's tragic. :\
He helped so many women and gets SHOT? Ugh.
My view on pro-lifers won't change by this, I know they're not psychos willing to kill for all the...fetuses or whatever the guy shot him for. It's horrible that he did this.
Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 2nd 2009, 01:46 AM
To all those saying that it's hypocritical for a pro-lifer to kill an abortion doctor, the murderer would have thought that he was saving hundreds or even thousands of lives: the fact that they were pre-birth makes no difference to the pro-lifer. Would you kill one person to save a hundred others? Especially if you knew that there was no legal recourse. Not that I agree with what this guy did. I'm pro-choice and a pacifist. But he did have a certain twisted logic.
Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 2nd 2009, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Acheron
To all those saying that it's hypocritical for a pro-lifer to kill an abortion doctor, the murderer would have thought that he was saving hundreds or even thousands of lives: the fact that they were pre-birth makes no difference to the pro-lifer. Would you kill one person to save a hundred others? Especially if you knew that there was no legal recourse. Not that I agree with what this guy did. I'm pro-choice and a pacifist. But he did have a certain twisted logic.
I'm trying to understand his serious lack of logic. Clearly he thought killing the doctor would do something, but you only have to think about it a second to see that killing one doctor doesn't stop women having abortions, it just gets them to go to a different doctor. It doesn't further the pro-life cause, it makes it seem like anyone against abortion is a psycho waiting to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them. It's just amazing sometimes how little sense people have.
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If there are gods and they are just,
then they will not care how devout you have been,
but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by.
If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them.
If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life
that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 2nd 2009, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Acheron
To all those saying that it's hypocritical for a pro-lifer to kill an abortion doctor, the murderer would have thought that he was saving hundreds or even thousands of lives: the fact that they were pre-birth makes no difference to the pro-lifer. Would you kill one person to save a hundred others? Especially if you knew that there was no legal recourse. Not that I agree with what this guy did. I'm pro-choice and a pacifist. But he did have a certain twisted logic.
I see the logic of kill 1 to save 100s, however, his actions don't stop abortionists from performing abortions, don't stop women from getting abortions and they don't put people who have the stance of "pro-life" in a good light. One could argue later that "pro-lifers" are loony because of what this guy did. Obviously that's horrible arguing, however, something this drastic does stick on some people's minds and may give the impression to some that this is how "pro-lifers" are.
Also, whenever someone hears the term "pro-life", it gives the impression that takes a stance of furthering, bettering and helping human life, not going around killing people. Yes he may have in his mind saved numerous fetuses, however, it's not really a win for him. If anything, it's a loss overall.
Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 3rd 2009, 05:53 AM
What a stupid crime. He's not accomplishing anything by shooting a doctor, he's just adding to the problem and making himself look bad. In his head he believed he was saving lives, but he didn't take into account that there are plenty of other doctors out there who will take the dead doctor's place.
For the record, I'm pro-choice. Especially in cases where the mother's life is in danger, abortion should be an option.
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Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 3rd 2009, 09:57 AM
I am strongly pro choice. All that man has done is made everyone who is pro life seem crazy, killed a doctor, and earned himself a long prison sentence.
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Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 3rd 2009, 06:24 PM
I think that even though what the man did was extremely awful and terrible, it's important to consider something that makes this man a human: he was only doing what he thought was the right thing to do. Not that it DOES make it right, but that is often the driving force behind people who do atrocious things -- it does not make that person a despicable being.
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Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 3rd 2009, 08:10 PM
I'm sure Hitler thought he was doing the right thing when he ordered the deaths of at least 6 million Jews too, however that does NOT make him any less of a psychopath, or any more right.
Re: Gunman Kills Abortion Doctor -
June 3rd 2009, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Oiseau the Little Bird!
I think that even though what the man did was extremely awful and terrible, it's important to consider something that makes this man a human: he was only doing what he thought was the right thing to do. Not that it DOES make it right, but that is often the driving force behind people who do atrocious things -- it does not make that person a despicable being.
Peoples actions make them despicable. It's not a "only if..." But I think if you kill someone, especially as being a hypocrite, then it's not right. And I think this man is worse than despicable, no matter the reason.